I'm seeing a lot of 8-4 predictions for WVU this fall

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I'm not a Dana fan, but if he meets expectations leads the team to 8-4, I think I'd eat some crow and say we have to keep him with a moderate contract extension.

But for me, anything less than 8-4 shows the program is not improving overall and again not performing at expectations. Just wondering the board's opinion on how many losses is too many when it comes locking in our HC?
 

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IMO Dana needs to have a better conference showing than 4-5. If we get 6-7 conference wins then i have no problem with a new contract extension. It will show The Mountaineer are moving in the right direction within the BIG 12.
 
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I'm not a Dana fan, but if he meets expectations leads the team to 8-4, I think I'd eat some crow and say we have to keep him with a moderate contract extension.

But for me, anything less than 8-4 shows the program is not improving overall and again not performing at expectations. Just wondering the board's opinion on how many losses is too many when it comes locking in our HC?
WVU will win one less game this season with the loss of DAH. 7-5
 
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It's not the 8-4 overall as much as the resulting 5-4 conference record that can be assumed from that which bothers me.

A game over .500 isn't special to me.
 

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If we get 6-7 conference wins then i have no problem with a new contract extension. It will show The Mountainneer are moving in the right direction within the BIG 12.

So a so-so finish at the top of the so-so scale is moving in the right direction? lol.

There were concerns over the defense before attrition and now it is getting worse. Add to that Pankey arrest and things roll over to the offense side. And, don't forget our starting kicker is on suspension. This team is close to falling apart. Key injury to one of the offense main stays and things get dicey. Chemistry is a hard thing to get a grip on. My bets is DH will start to gamble more as the heat builds. 5-7 to 7-5 record and another lower half finish in the conference.
 

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So a so-so finish at the top of the so-so scale is moving in the right direction? lol.

There were concerns over the defense before attrition and now it is getting worse. Add to that Pankey arrest and things roll over to the offense side. And, don't forget our starting kicker is on suspension. This team is close to falling apart. Key injury to one of the offense main stays and things get dicey. Chemistry is a hard thing to get a grip on. My bets is DH will start to gamble more as the heat builds. 5-7 to 7-5 record and another lower half finish in the conference.

Winning 6-7 conference games would indeed be a improvement considering only winning 4 conference games last season.
 
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Winning 6-7 conference games would imdeed be a improvement

I agree and so, I would think, would most Mountaineer fans. Now with that said...what 7 out of 9 games will they win? More like 4 or 5 at best. And that is the problem with DH and this team...so so results. BTW: what does "imdeed" mean? Cool new word and I just want to get it right. lol
 

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agree depends largely on what's done in conference & notching a significant win or two. & even at that, I'd still be mindful of total body of work - esp in league play - instead of 2016 only.

last year 8 wins, but none signature or ranked. although the bowl was an exciting shootout, the best win I thought was beating Mahomes & Texas Tech (7-6).

contract thing is pretty touchy subject and admittedly tough situation, but if more time is earned, even if a modest amount, to me it should be paired with a buyout this time no matter preferences of coach & agent. WVU controls the job opportunity and money that are both desired. plus we don't know from the outside who else may be attainable if it comes to that. that part could easily shape the decision.
 

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I agree and so, I would think, would most Mountaineer fans. Now with that said...what 7 out of 9 games will they win? More like 4 or 5 at best. And that is the problem with DH and this team...so so results. BTW: what does "imdeed" mean? Cool new word and I just want to get it right. lol
This guy has it all figured out folks. Why even bother?
 
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The litmus test for me is FINALLY finishing higher than 4th in the Big 12. That puts my alma mater in the average category. Hell, one year WVU was one game away from tying Kansas for the bottom.
3rd or better in the Big 12 and then I see progress enough to keep Dana. Otherwise, bring back Rich.

Thought I'd throw that in because I know it will stir the hater natives. :grimace:
 

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The litmus test for me is FINALLY finishing higher than 4th in the Big 12. That puts my alma mater in the average category. Hell, one year WVU was one game away from tying Kansas for the bottom.
3rd or better in the Big 12 and then I see progress enough to keep Dana. Otherwise, bring back Rich.

Thought I'd throw that in because I know it will stir the hater natives. :grimace:


No one really reads your ridiculous red font posts. Matter of fact I'm going to put you on ignore because its offensive to the eyes. I won't respond when you act as childish in your response as you do when insisting on posting in that red. Its just as easily to see if you post in big black bold. You do it to be a dick.
 

Rootmaster

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Mr. R.Hood...and just what did "big bold red letters " say that wasn't true? Or are you a Red Bull distributor??
 

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The litmus test for me is FINALLY finishing higher than 4th in the Big 12. That puts my alma mater in the average category. Hell, one year WVU was one game away from tying Kansas for the bottom.
3rd or better in the Big 12 and then I see progress enough to keep Dana. Otherwise, bring back Rich.

Thought I'd throw that in because I know it will stir the hater natives. :grimace:

CFE is hoping against hope that Fraud is coming back. Fraud is in worse shape in Tucson than Dana is here. If Dana is done, I expect Jeff Brohm at WKU to be on Lyon's short list.
 

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I would think so Dan, but Brohm isn't going to be hanging out there for the picking for long.

A kid getting a DUI in the pre-season isn't a team falling apart, Root. It's par for the course, it happens every year.
 

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I agree and so, I would think, would most Mountaineer fans. Now with that said...what 7 out of 9 games will they win? More like 4 or 5 at best. And that is the problem with DH and this team...so so results. BTW: what does "imdeed" mean? Cool new word and I just want to get it right. lol

Lol its called big fingers and small keyboard. Fixed it.
 

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I remember getting my first company issued Blackberry way back when, X. Half the guys who worked for us couldn't use the things due to their fingers. Advance in technology, my ***.
 

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No one really reads your ridiculous red font posts. Matter of fact I'm going to put you on ignore because its offensive to the eyes. I won't respond when you act as childish in your response as you do when insisting on posting in that red. Its just as easily to see if you post in big black bold. You do it to be a dick.
You call someone a "dick" for posting in a different colored font? I think we all know who's being "childish" here--and it isn't Cuyahoga. Wow, what a tragedy he likes to spice up the board with a little color! [eyeroll]
 
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Why Brohm?

Brohm is seen as an "up & coming" new young HC who has done very well at a non-traditional program, meaning not known as a power-house program; WKU. 8-5 his first season (Bowl Win) and 12-2 last year (Bowl Win) to amass a 20-7 overall record. Not a huge track record, but with a good season this year he could end up maybe 30-9 (.769%) and will get looks.

I would think Larry Fedora would find more support & easier recruiting to be a big plus at WVU vs. NC. Larger body of work with a better track record and still plenty of upside.
 

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Considering the other teams in the Big 12 and our changes on defense;

9-3 would be a dream season.
8-4 would exceed most expectations.
7-5 would show progress in the Big 12 but failed to capitalize on opportunities.
6-6 technically a winning season, but a huge letdown for WVU.
5-7 an absolute debacle.

If money were at stake, I would guess 7-5 but hoping for 8-9 wins.
 

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Here is my take on the West Virginia team and my projection for 2016 for the Big XII games.

K-State will hand WV a loss. K-State will be better than last year's team (we will actually have a QB) and baring injuries the defenses should be better.

KU This should be an easy WV win. KU is no better than last year.

Iowa State I think WV wins but am unsure of the margin. Will it be a blow out or a relatively tight game?

Texas This is so hard for me to pick. My heart wants WV to beat the horns but my head thinks Texas will pull out a win.. WV 21- UT 20.

Baylor will beat WVU despite all the problems.

OU will be another loss for WVU.

Okie State is an interesting game. WV might be able to pull tis one out but I am afraid OSU will win.

TCU will beat WVU.

Texas Tech is another very interesting game. This could go either way. I think WV splits with Tech and Okie State. So I see a WVU win in a shoot out.

I think WVU will go W 4 L 5 in the Big XII for 2016.
 

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Here is my take on the West Virginia team and my projection for 2016 for the Big XII games.

K-State will hand WV a loss. K-State will be better than last year's team (we will actually have a QB) and baring injuries the defenses should be better.

KU This should be an easy WV win. KU is no better than last year.

Iowa State I think WV wins but am unsure of the margin. Will it be a blow out or a relatively tight game?

Texas This is so hard for me to pick. My heart wants WV to beat the horns but my head thinks Texas will pull out a win.. WV 21- UT 20.

Baylor will beat WVU despite all the problems.

OU will be another loss for WVU.

Okie State is an interesting game. WV might be able to pull tis one out but I am afraid OSU will win.

TCU will beat WVU.

Texas Tech is another very interesting game. This could go either way. I think WV splits with Tech and Okie State. So I see a WVU win in a shoot out.

I think WVU will go W 4 L 5 in the Big XII for 2016.

Okie St is not getting much respect for the amount of returning experience they have.
 

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I understand a lot of what you all are saying, but it goes to my original question, at what point do we say "hit the road" with Dana? It's not just a matter of expectations, because I've come to expect very little from him, but I think we have to expect to finish in the top half of the conference on a yearly basis or we've lowered our expectations too much. Five losses, year after year after year, is just too much for a program that nearly everyone on a national level would put us in the top 40, most in the top 30. A top 40 program does not have five losses year after year after year. If Dana can get us there and keep us there (fewer than 5 losses every year), then to me, that's the line we can't keep crossing. I think we've given him more than enough time to adjust to a new conference.

I hear a lot of people say, "Well, who ya gonna get next?" My reply has always been, "You gotta break up with the girlfriend you have before you can start asking other girls out." (That is, unless you're Oliver Luck.)

I hope we go 8-4 or better. I never cheer against my alma mater. I do think you have to evaluate your program, however, and I would hope Shane Lyons respects WVU enough to expect that anything more than four losses is beneath a program such as ours. Personally, I think it's realistic for 8-4 to be a down year, 7-5 to be our worst (and rare), and it's realistic to average 9-3 with an occasional 10-2 and once in 20 years 11-1.
 
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Don't forget, West Virginia had the leading rusher in the big 12 last year, depth and player development cannot be underestimated with this team or program. The line will be amazing and 2-backs will break a 1000 yards this year. The defenses will be trying to shutdown the run and quick slants, opening seams up for the speed of these receivers which will account for big plays with the defensive backfields constantly being exposed and beat-up with the backs breaking runs.
The defense, I personally thought Benton played awesome in the game he started last year, the first team d-line is the best in the big 12 with solid underclassman backing them up which will result in great reps for next season.
Corners are good enough to keep us in the game and Tyler is a playmaker who knows what he's doing back there.
This may be an untested team but I think they have a good schedule to get up to speed. WVU is underestimated this year and the poor scrimmage the other day was probably because they've been working so hard are little burnt and hit the wall in the heat but it'll pay off against Mizzou and down the stretch when they need mental toughness. I like this team.
 
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CFE is hoping against hope that Fraud is coming back. Fraud is in worse shape in Tucson than Dana is here. If Dana is done, I expect Jeff Brohm at WKU to be on Lyon's short list.

Nope. I'm hoping against hope that Dana wins the national title at WVU, which no one has ever done although Clarence "Doc" Spears sorta did in 1922 when he went undefeated with 4 ties.
Hell, if Satan himself coached WVU to the national title, I'd be a happy man.
Hell, I'd be dancing naked in the streets if Dana won the Big 12 title with WVU.
84 years old by end of 2016 season, so that would be an unforgettable sight. Women would swoon and men would die of jealousy. :grimace:
 
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Nope. I'm hoping against hope that Dana wins the national title at WVU, which no one has ever done although Clarence "Doc" Spears sorta did in 1922 when he went undefeated with 4 ties.
Hell, if Satan himself coached WVU to the national title, I'd be a happy man.
Hell, I'd be dancing naked in the streets if Dana won the Big 12 title with WVU.
84 years old by end of 2016 season, so that would be an unforgettable sight. Women would swoon and men would die of jealousy. :grimace:

"Fraud is in worse shape in Tucson than Dana is here."

Hmnn. Let's look at the record.


It’s fair to say that comparing records by Power 5 conference coaches from different teams and conferences is fair.

So let’s take a look:

RICH AT ARIZONA DANA AT WVU

8-5 in 2012 4-5 4th in Pac-12 South 7-6 4-5 4-way tie for 5th
(only Kansas and Iowa State did worse at 3-6 and 0-9)

8-5 in 2013 4-5 4th in Pac-12 South 4-8 2-7 3-way tie for 7th
(only Kansas did worse at 1-8)

10-4 in 2014 7-2 won Pac-12 South 7-6 5-4 3-way tie for 4th

7-6 in 2015 3-6 5th in Pac-12 South 8-5 4-5 3-way tie for 5th


33-20 overall, 17-18 in Pac-12 South 26-25 overall, 15-21 in Big 12

Point out exactly where Rich did worse in Tucson than Dana did in Morgantown? Which category? I'm curious. Hate if you must, but facts are facts. Rich has a better record at Arizona, where he won the Pac-12 South one season, than Dana at WVU, where he never finished higher than a tie for 4th place.