In retrospect shouldn't we have tried.....
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Relf throwing an interception down three in the last minute or Relf throwing a pick in overtime?
Both suck, but you have to at least get to overtime. Relf is not exactly Peyton Manning with the accuracy if you haven't noticed.
Both suck, but you have to at least get to overtime. Relf is not exactly Peyton Manning with the accuracy if you haven't noticed.
We took over at our 40 with about 2 minutes to go (I'm guessing). Our play calling went probably 6 runs - 1 pass? Something like that.
C34, I'm willing to bet you've never seen State win. Ever. I also have a feeling you don't WANT State to win. Ever.
You would think our chances of scoring from the 14 were greater than in OT when you start on the 25. But then again we had no time outs which almost cost us.
On the other hand, we scored 31 points, so it wasn't like it was impossible to score tonight. You also know that Mallett is on the other sideline.
As a fan, I would have liked to have seen one thrown into the end zone. As a coach who has to answer for the record and to his players, I think you go for the tie and try to win it in overtime.
On the other hand, we scored 31 points, so it wasn't like it was impossible to score tonight. You also know that Mallett is on the other sideline.
As a fan, I would have liked to have seen one thrown into the end zone. As a coach who has to answer for the record and to his players, I think you go for the tie and try to win it in overtime.
It's not like you can't kick the FG for the tie if you don't get the TD. I'm not questioning kicking the FG on 4th down. You HAVE to kick the FG in that situation. I'm questioning the playcalling on 1st and 2nd downs. It's like we weren't even trying to score a TD.
I just felt like we couldn't stop Mallett and Arkansas from 25 yards out. I know that's against conventional wisdom because I think if you went by the book, it would probably say at home, go for for OT because you have the crowd on your side. I think that this was definately an exception in this case.
If Relf had thrown a pick, I would have had a hard time second guessing Dan and Les because Relf was having one of his best nights- actually probably the best- and I know that it would be a call where we were trying to win the game. Kind of like how I'm not upset at Ballard's fumble in OT- that was a turnover because he was hustling and trying to win the game, and a guy just hit the ball with his helmet.
Let's be honest here- Relf's fumble killed us. If you have to blame it on something. And that's a shame because this was one of his best games. We were in control up until that point. He fumbles, Arkansas gets the ball, and then they hit a home run on a pass for a TD. That was a 10 point swing.
If Relf had thrown a pick, I would have had a hard time second guessing Dan and Les because Relf was having one of his best nights- actually probably the best- and I know that it would be a call where we were trying to win the game. Kind of like how I'm not upset at Ballard's fumble in OT- that was a turnover because he was hustling and trying to win the game, and a guy just hit the ball with his helmet.
Let's be honest here- Relf's fumble killed us. If you have to blame it on something. And that's a shame because this was one of his best games. We were in control up until that point. He fumbles, Arkansas gets the ball, and then they hit a home run on a pass for a TD. That was a 10 point swing.
Thats the problem with Relf at QB though. We scored on a 15 play drive, but thats hardly ever going to happen. We can't sustain drives like that - period. In the 4th quarter Relf was knicked up. Holly Rowe reported he had a knee issue, and he carried the ball 25 times last night. WE HAVE TO FIND PLAYS IN THE PASSING GAME.
I agree with Coach, that 1st down on the 15 should have been TD all the way. I think if Marcus Green plays tonight, we would have thrown it into the endzone.
I agree with Coach, that 1st down on the 15 should have been TD all the way. I think if Marcus Green plays tonight, we would have thrown it into the endzone.
Todd4State said:
That was a big play- no doubt...but UPig fumbled up 14-7 in our territory right after they recovered Elliot's fumble. That play was just as huge as Ralph's fumble...I think Ballard's fumble was way bigger, because we would have scored 7 from the 2 yard line there...It's unfortunate because he fumbled due to running his *** off and hustling for more yards...but I think his was way bigger- up 7 in OT would have been huge
Bottom line- we played as well as we can play...we almost had 500 yards...we just came up a little short against a very good team with a 1st round draft pick at QB...doing that with half our team being Crooms recruits is acceptable to me...better days are ahead
no way they stop us from the 2...up 7 in OT would have been huge...
I'm not blaming Vick- he played his *** off too...he was trying to get to the goalline when it happened...but UPig fumbled in our territory after Elliot fumbled too to change the game...both were also big plays
I'm not blaming Vick- he played his *** off too...he was trying to get to the goalline when it happened...but UPig fumbled in our territory after Elliot fumbled too to change the game...both were also big plays
I don't think there's any doubt about that. We certainly made some big plays and got a lot of momentum on their turnovers as well.
It's hard to quantify which turnovers are bigger than others because no one knows what would have happened had we held onto the ball.
But I picked Relf just because of the momentum swing that cost us the lead, the fact that it was later in the game than Knile Davis's fumble, and had we gone down to score, we don't even get to the OT for Ballard to fumble.
I'm willing to agree to disagree on this.
It's hard to quantify which turnovers are bigger than others because no one knows what would have happened had we held onto the ball.
But I picked Relf just because of the momentum swing that cost us the lead, the fact that it was later in the game than Knile Davis's fumble, and had we gone down to score, we don't even get to the OT for Ballard to fumble.
I'm willing to agree to disagree on this.
a WIDEOPEN Brandon Heavens in the 2nd quarter on 3rd down. It would have given us another first down, inside their 30, because he had room to run. That's pretty close to a turnover in itself.
But if we score a TD in the 1st OT, I don't think we could have kept Arkansas from scoring a TD and taking it to the 2nd OT anyway. They're tough enough to stop when they have 3 downs to get a 1st down. They're even tougher when they've got 4.
I do blame Ballard for his fumble though. He made a great run and gave great 2nd effort, but when you already have the 1st down, WRAP THE DAMN BALL UP! He played a great game but stretching for the end zone from the 4-yard line when you already had 1st and goal was a bad mistake.
I do blame Ballard for his fumble though. He made a great run and gave great 2nd effort, but when you already have the 1st down, WRAP THE DAMN BALL UP! He played a great game but stretching for the end zone from the 4-yard line when you already had 1st and goal was a bad mistake.
it was a huge swing...no doubt...
Frustrating to play as well as we did and still lose...gotta give UPig credit though
I just know if I'm a coach, I hugged Vick Ballard tonight and told him thank you for his effort...and that it will be rewarded in better fashion down the road
Frustrating to play as well as we did and still lose...gotta give UPig credit though
I just know if I'm a coach, I hugged Vick Ballard tonight and told him thank you for his effort...and that it will be rewarded in better fashion down the road
57StratDawg said:
Ralph also threw for 229 yards and rushed for damn near a 100...he ran over people to get 1st downs and kept drives going with others passes as well....
Pointing out Ralph's shortcomings doesnt make Tyler Russell better- quit calling Dan Mullen a dumbass- that offends me- because if Russell could get the job done- Dan Mullen would play him
You can cherry pick almost any QB performance. Shoulda made that throw, shoulda made this audible... etc, etc.
I thought Relf played his best game in maroon and white.
The fumble hurt but he made so many big plays that he has not made in the past that I can overlook that one. Lets all hope he has one more like that next Saturday minus the fumble.
I thought Relf played his best game in maroon and white.
The fumble hurt but he made so many big plays that he has not made in the past that I can overlook that one. Lets all hope he has one more like that next Saturday minus the fumble.
unless you are in the David Koresh group that thinks Farvuh is the QB of the future
He is simply the best we have right now or will have for the foreseeable future...
bitching about a QB that accounts for 325 yards of offense is kinds dumb...he may have missed Heavens being open, but he also fit the ball into some little windows because it's rare when our WR's get very open
He is simply the best we have right now or will have for the foreseeable future...
bitching about a QB that accounts for 325 yards of offense is kinds dumb...he may have missed Heavens being open, but he also fit the ball into some little windows because it's rare when our WR's get very open
They hadn't stopped a run for less than 5-yards that drive...now we just didn't get anything done on 1st and 2nd.
I really think Dan thought we had them winded, with momentum and we could run 3 plays in that period and get 14 yards. The flipside was letting Relf throw in a 20 yard field - something that is not his strength. If I thought Relf could throw a fade or something I'd agree with you guys but he's just mistake prone and inaccurate in tight spaces.
If we ran anything I'd might have tried a naked booleg with the tight end going to the corner and given him a run-pass option.
But I was only mad the first two running plays didn't work, at the time I didn't think it was horrible playcalling
I really think Dan thought we had them winded, with momentum and we could run 3 plays in that period and get 14 yards. The flipside was letting Relf throw in a 20 yard field - something that is not his strength. If I thought Relf could throw a fade or something I'd agree with you guys but he's just mistake prone and inaccurate in tight spaces.
If we ran anything I'd might have tried a naked booleg with the tight end going to the corner and given him a run-pass option.
But I was only mad the first two running plays didn't work, at the time I didn't think it was horrible playcalling
I could only sit there and scratch my head as to why we did not make some attempt.
Otherwise, the reason they won: SPEED!
There is no substitute.
Otherwise, the reason they won: SPEED!
There is no substitute.
The fact is that Relf's fumble and that incompletion took some pretty precious points off the board.
He had his best game of the year though - certainly he is best SEC game. Hell, he should have had a good game though. Ark gives up 30 points in every SEC game and they're the worst in the league against the run.
He had his best game of the year though - certainly he is best SEC game. Hell, he should have had a good game though. Ark gives up 30 points in every SEC game and they're the worst in the league against the run.
Proud of our boys tonight, even though it hurts bad. I'm sure they're hurting, too. Here's to hoping they take it out on Ole Miss next week.
57StratDawg said:
UPig's fumble up 14-7 in our territory let us back in the game and took some precious points off their board
Mallet's INT stopped another drive for them
Ralph's completion to Hanrahan on 4th down was sweet
Ballard's fumble took a for sure 7 points off the board in OT- critical play of the game
pointing out Ralph's fumble and blaming him tonight really makes you look dumb...just stop
Had no problem holding my head up tonight.
Also, the Hog fans did not just go crazy celebrating, they were glad to get out of Starksville with aW.
Go Dogs, whip them Bears.
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Also, the Hog fans did not just go crazy celebrating, they were glad to get out of Starksville with aW.
Go Dogs, whip them Bears.
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Over all we played hard and did a lot of things to keep Ark off balance. Much better than some games. But that last 1:00 in regulation we went back into our 'don't screw up shell'. We had them on the ropes and should have taken a chance at the TD. You knew Ark had a huge advantage in OT. Just don't understand their thinking in that situation.patdog said:
At the end of that drive. I agree, though, that we shouldve tried something else at least once early. The run worked so wEll on that drive because they just knew we would throw it. When we got to the red zone, the defense got compacted and stuffed the run until they knew we'd pass on third down.
But having two of your best rceivers on the sideline may factor into the calls. I hate it for smith- he played his best game last night. We still couldv gone to Clark though.
But having two of your best rceivers on the sideline may factor into the calls. I hate it for smith- he played his best game last night. We still couldv gone to Clark though.
I haven't said Tyler Russell should be playing or that Relf cost us the game - Did I dumbass? No.. But in all your post back to me, thats the point your arguing. I did say in 2011 I hoped that Relf wasn't the starter, I guess thats where youre getting confused.
was huge. Up until that, we were running it down their throat that drive. The TO allowed them to get a breather and out the players they wanted in.
We basically ran the counter down their throats to the 15. Then Petrino calls timeout and basically takes the counter away. I'm sure his mindset is if we are going to get beat it will not be by that play.Hindsight says we should have known that was what he was doing. Maybe a play action on 1st down is wide open. Easy to say on Sunday when we were running it down their throats. I can see why Mullen stuck with it, but man today I would have loved to see what the play action would have produced.
The fumble by Davis late in the 4th that lead to the game tying FG was huge. I haven's heard alot of talk about this one, butif he doesn't turn it over, Arkansas punts and possibly pins State inside the 20 with little time left. It at leastmakes getting in FG range a lot harder.
Turnovers seemed to be about even, with both teams having crucial turnovers that could have changed the outcome of the game. To single out one is ridiculous. Of course Relf's turnover hurt, but look at the 5 other TO's from both teams, they all affected the outcome.
In the end, Arkansas made a few more big plays, particularly on the corners, either running or passing.
Turnovers seemed to be about even, with both teams having crucial turnovers that could have changed the outcome of the game. To single out one is ridiculous. Of course Relf's turnover hurt, but look at the 5 other TO's from both teams, they all affected the outcome.
In the end, Arkansas made a few more big plays, particularly on the corners, either running or passing.