Is App State the best College football team in NC?
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UNC sucks. Anyways, App State I think is the most consistent program in NC. Programs like Charlotte(Go Niners!), ECU are down and not competitive. UNC is way down this year, but we'll see if they can rebound, Duke and NCST have been consistent as of late, but not winning bowl games like App has 3-0 all time in bowl games.
They've got a great program up there in Boone.
They've got a great program up there in Boone.
UNC did have like 20 players injured for the season to be far. Hard to win with that many injuries.
Excuses. UGA backup is a true freshman that came in after a pre-season All American Qb was injured 1st game. Injuries is part of the game.
Back to App State
Compared to the rest of the state
Qb <App State
Rb < App State
WR < NC State
TE <UNC
Oline < App State
Dline< NC State
LB < App State
Secondary<Wake Forest
Back to App State
Compared to the rest of the state
Qb <App State
Rb < App State
WR < NC State
TE <UNC
Oline < App State
Dline< NC State
LB < App State
Secondary<Wake Forest
I have always thought If App St could start getting some of the best players from NC they could be the next Boise St. Satterfield always seems to find some underrated players from Ga and Fl.
Ohio St won a title with their 3rd string QB, sure he was a star, but they recruited depth which UNC has failed to do.
That's one player not 20. But let's be honest UNC is never gonna get the talent UGA gets anyway at least not in football. UNC won what 8 games last year? Two years ago was in the ACC championship game. Seems pretty good for a basketball school.
No its awful for a state flagship school not to be able to secure its top college prospects. UNC needs to start search for REAL college football coaches. Coaches that know what they're doing and have a great eye for talent. I'm still amazed how Fedora kept his job. Get rid of him and bring in a Satterfield, Charlie Strong even Lane Kiffin. The state of North Carolina has some serious talent. UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake should be cashing in.
I just think schematically App State is by for the most consistent and better coached team in the state. Even if App State was in the American, I think they would be the best team in NC by a wide margin.
I just think schematically App State is by for the most consistent and better coached team in the state. Even if App State was in the American, I think they would be the best team in NC by a wide margin.
UNC does get a lot of top NC prospects, but seems to have trouble developing them. App State is the most consistent team in NC and they do it with tons of kids from FL and GA.
You can cash in, but if you cannot develop the players you get then it's all for not.
It's unfortunate I feel this way, but I do. Do I want our 3, 4 and 5 star athletes in NC to stay in-state? Yes. But when they do, I know they just made the wrong decision because they'll be going to teams that are consistently bad and not really even in the discussion for the CFP. UNC, State, Duke, ECU, Wake Forest, etc., are all FANTASTIC schools, but when it comes to football, they're just not hitting on all cylinders.
I'll add this, it's not a stigma, it's reality. The NC schools are known for basketball. SEC schools are known for football. It is what it is. When's the last time you saw Alabama in the Final Four? Never. When's the last time UNC win a national championship in football? Never.
One thing that app state does better than I think any school in nc is they can do their homework in evaluating talent. Who would have offered Clifton duck? Unc didn't wake didn't? Kid was a freshman all American and probably a day 1 draft pick. The bigger schools try 2 compete with the clemsons and Alabamas of the world and we all know it' not the talent coming in but what u do with it when u have it. Knowing how this recruiting game goes it' crazy how nc schools will not even recruit their home state and look elsewhere i.e Jeremiah hall Gerald nathan. Nc schools jus looked over them and now the SEC and big 12 have them now smh.
Lets get back to reality. App state is a very nice program......Satterfield has done a great job and I agree with @704cougars that they have uncovered some very nice under the radar players.
Take a hard look at the SUn Belt folks.Idaho, New Mexco ST, Georgia State.etc,etc
Now..........go look at the ACC schedule. Florida State, Clemson, VA tech, Miami, Louisville. Perennial Top 20 teams
Its one thing to get jacked up on opening night to play close with a Tenn or Georgia. Its an entirely different story playing at the level every Saturday. If App State played NC State's schedule this year they wouldnt be bowl eligible. That isnt a slight on App state its just not apples to oranges. Its major league versus AA ball.
Quietly I like what Doeren is doing at NC state. He has a nice window here. UNC and Fedora are awful, Florida schools and Tenn are down and he has done a very solid job of recruiting Charlotte, Raliegh/Durham and the Greensboro areas. He doesnt get all of them but he is getting more than his fair share right now. Are they a 10-11 win team?? Probably not but they are light years ahead of UNC right now
There is a head to head game this year with an ACC team. Wake won. I don’t like Wake. I rooted for App.
I don’t think it’s a discussion until they win a game vs a relevant in state team. That could happen next year.
I don’t think it’s a discussion until they win a game vs a relevant in state team. That could happen next year.
Charlotte lol they need to learn how to recruit the city their in first! Charlotte plays at Tennessee in Novemeber for $1 million
App St had a last second FG blocked to beat Wake.I think that puts App St in the conversation.Cougs I will be there for the UNCC game. The way my Vols have been playing UNCC might get the W to go with the cash.
Yes....they came very close to beating the 5th or 6th best ACC team at home. App states next 5 games?? New mexico St, Idaho, Coastal Carolina, Umass, LA- Monroe. They lose to 2-6 UMASS and 4-5 LA- Monroe on the road.
Wake Forest next 5 games? Florida State, Clemson, GA Tech, Lousville, Notre Dame. Its not even close. Again...App state is not bowl eligible if they play in the ACC.
Based soley on last year I would rank them-
NC State
Wake
Duke
App
UNC
East Carolina
You could make an arguement for switching one and two or three and four.
I'm a UNC alum who served as a football manager during my time there. Have a daughter (UNC alum) and a son (App alum). We go to games at each. So I don't claim to be totally unbiased.
Having said that, and as much as it pains me, I believe State has the best team in North Carolina, though not by a large margin over Wake or App.
But those who think UNC and Fedora are trailing way behind are delusional. Take your team, whoever they may be, and swap circumstances with UNC. Take the early departures, including one heckuva running back and the quarterback who was picked number two in the NFL draft. Add to that the seven year saga involving the AFAM classes and its effect on recruiting. Even if you believe the very worst on that issue, no one currently in the program was responsible, but they paid the recruiting price.
Now factor in the previous recruiting sanctions, which were deserved. Most importantly, add in the injuries. I read an article around the eighth game of the season that said the average NCAA team at that point had 1.15 players who were out for the season due to injury. Carolina at that point had seventeen, fourteen of which had been a starter at some point. They ended the season with 22 players out, seventeen of whom started. They had, by far, the most games missed, the most starters out of any team in the nation.
Larry Fedora is just as good today as he was the previous couple of years when he was the media darling and much sought after by other schools.
You haters (including the UNC so called fans) keep sleeping on Fedora and the Tar Heels. But ask yourself honestly if your school could have done any better with the same conditions.
With all that, Go Mountaineers!
Having said that, and as much as it pains me, I believe State has the best team in North Carolina, though not by a large margin over Wake or App.
But those who think UNC and Fedora are trailing way behind are delusional. Take your team, whoever they may be, and swap circumstances with UNC. Take the early departures, including one heckuva running back and the quarterback who was picked number two in the NFL draft. Add to that the seven year saga involving the AFAM classes and its effect on recruiting. Even if you believe the very worst on that issue, no one currently in the program was responsible, but they paid the recruiting price.
Now factor in the previous recruiting sanctions, which were deserved. Most importantly, add in the injuries. I read an article around the eighth game of the season that said the average NCAA team at that point had 1.15 players who were out for the season due to injury. Carolina at that point had seventeen, fourteen of which had been a starter at some point. They ended the season with 22 players out, seventeen of whom started. They had, by far, the most games missed, the most starters out of any team in the nation.
Larry Fedora is just as good today as he was the previous couple of years when he was the media darling and much sought after by other schools.
You haters (including the UNC so called fans) keep sleeping on Fedora and the Tar Heels. But ask yourself honestly if your school could have done any better with the same conditions.
With all that, Go Mountaineers!
Jamea Franklin at PSU says hello. UNC fans have to stop with the excuses. My father is a Wake alum and Mother UNC. I have love for UNC but Fed is the WORST FBS College football coach in the state outside of UNCC and ECU coaches. He's a glorified, Overachievinh offensive coordinator disguise as a Head Coach
Awesome. As a kid I listened to Woody every Saturday. Then play in the yard line I was Nick Vidnovic, Jimmy Jerome, or Sammy Johnston.
Good ones to emulate. Dooley recruited eight quarterbacks in that class. Very few of them ended up as quarterbacks, but all contributed.
Fedora at UNC 10 games over .500 in 6 years at the top.
- 1 top 25 finish
- Zero Conf Titles
- Zero NYD Bowls
- 1 division title
- 1 bowl win
- 1 season of 9 wins or more
Injuries? Everyone has them. You want to throw out 2017? Great...I get to throw out 2015. Your left with 4 games above .500 in the easy ACC Coastal.
Players leaving early?? Please stop.
Academic scandal hasnt helped. I dont think it has been as big an issue as many think but I buy its cost you some kids. That said the bow was tied on that in early October and this recruiting class was weaker than the previous 2. What does that tell ya? What's really killing Mr. Fedora are the names Dabo, Fuentes and now Kirby and Doeren. They are eating his lunch.
In the end its about recruiting and players. Fedora is inside of 200 miles of a top 5 or 6 recruiting hot bed and he isnt getting kids. Specifically big kids that tackle people or big kids that block. He will always get a top flight QB or two ( though not sure even about that any more) and he will always land the outside talent because of his offensive system. That buys you 6-7 wins most years.
Take a hard look at rosters in the ACC and SEC and look at the home states of defensive studs. I could build a roster of All-conf kids just in NC.
The last 2 years ( including this one) he has signed one impact NC kid in the defensive front 7 and that kid was most likely committed to UNC before he was born. Henry, Dax, Tisdale, Sandridge, Davis, Foster,Butler, Greene, Wilson,Mcneil...........swing and a miss.
I give him a small break with Olineman as the state is and has been weak here but even then when you get a Pollard, Crowder, Dickerson.......you better get him signed.
Fedora hasnt been awful he has been exactly what he is. High scoring offensive guy who has been just above average his entire career. He parlayed one great year at Southern Miss into this gig. Beyond that he was slighly above average in Conf USA. But he scored alot of points and was pretty fun to watch. He should of got out after 2015 but he took the check and its hard to fault a guy for that.
Meanwhile.......2017 class was 5th or 6th in the ACC, 2018 will be somewhere between 7th and 8th. He will be fortunate to get 6 wins next year so they become even more irrelevant and look out because even Muschamp is getting traction here now and I think if Doeren can get Finley to stay and survive next year he becomes and even bigger issue for Larry. The Wilson flip was a huge problem.
You gotta own your state. Go back and look at the early 90's Brown squads. 80% NC kids. The state is bigger and the football MUCH better than back then.
1974 Tom Clements Notre Dame....we now move to further action in the second quarter.
1974 Anthony Davis and Ricky Bell USC....I used to work with Ricky Bell. Ricky had the highest paying rookie contract in 1977 at Tampa Bay.
1974 Anthony Davis and Ricky Bell USC....I used to work with Ricky Bell. Ricky had the highest paying rookie contract in 1977 at Tampa Bay.
If UNC is second class, it won't be because of State. But many of your other points are valid. I acknowledge that there are much better programs, and coaches, in the ACC right now. I just don't think any of them are in North Carolina and probably not in Virginia. We'll agree to disagree and see how it plays out.