Is Flood on the hot seat or not?

BoogieKnight

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I'm in agreement with you that typically we wouldn't fire a coach with a winning record. But between the arrests, the academic advisor thing that got him suspended and whatever is dug up during this other investigation, I'm sure there will be enough ammo to overlook the several games over .500 he will sit at come November 29th.

And I don't think next year, when we play 10 real teams out of 12, including another season opener on the west coast, will be as easy as you think.
 

jerzeyguy

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If Flood was getting fired it would have happened already. Count on him being on the RU sudelines, coaching terrible football again next year
 

Tango Two

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I'm in agreement with you that typically we wouldn't fire a coach with a winning record. But between the arrests, the academic advisor thing that got him suspended and whatever is dug up during this other investigation, I'm sure there will be enough ammo to overlook the several games over .500 he will sit at come November 29th.

And I don't think next year, when we play 10 real teams out of 12, including another season opener on the west coast, will be as easy as you think.


Where is it said that anything else will be dug up?

Like it or not Flood deserves another year or two.
 

Tango Two

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Next year is not an easier schedule - please stop that nonsense.

Replacing Nebraska and Wisconsin with Illinois and Minnesota isn't on paper easier?

Replacing Washington State with New Mexico on paper isn't easier?
 
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devoted2ru

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Next year with a somewhat easier schedule and DBs that are not freshman we will be ok.

This staff hasn't shown any real ability to improve, and there's always some kind of excuse..

This year we've played some B1G teams that have supposedly been decimated by injury...yet they still have kicked our asses up and down the field. -Next year, it'll be some other horse manure reason thrown out there about why we keep getting the snot kicked out of us.

Perhaps some are happy to live with fairy tales about this team getting better under this regime, but since I began following this team at the age of 4, meaning 54 years ago, I'm sick at the thought of RU once again being regarded as a bunch of stumble bums, and I'm not prepared to believe that things will improve with the coaching staff we have now.

Is there any guarantee that things will get better if a change is made? No, nothing in life, except death, ironically enough, is a certainty. ...But when it comes to this HC, this staff, and the subject of change, I'm more than willing to give that a chance.
 

koleszar

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Next year with a somewhat easier schedule and DBs that are not freshman we will be ok.
What makes you think those DB's or defense will be so much improved next year with this coaching staff. We just played a team which averaged less than 20 pts. a game, today we gave up 48. We were supposed to see improvement throughout the season as they gained more experience. The opposite is actually what has transpired. As we have regressed. Today's performance was the worst to date. The team as a whole is not progressing and this is a direct sign of coaching. It doesn't matter how much experience you have or how hard you try if the coaches don't teach correctly or put you in the proper situations to succeed. I doubt they will get that much more experienced in 4 more games to truly make a difference next year with this coaching.
 
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wcfan10

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Where is it said that anything else will be dug up?

Like it or not Flood deserves another year or two.

Wow...

So what exactly has Flood done to deserve at least 1 or 2 more years?

What teams with a winning record has RU beaten under Flood?
Did you happen to hear about his suspension and the embarrassment he has brought to RU?
 

RUich

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anyone else surprised when they said we had "three winnable games" left on the schedule? We looked totally inept and they think we can win three more games?
 
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RU2055

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Replacing Nebraska and Wisconsin with Illinois and Minnesota isn't on paper easier?

Replacing Washington State with New Mexico on paper isn't easier?

LOL ..... Conveniently omitting Iowa and Washington.
 

Turtle31

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Worst case scenario, we don't post another win this season (not saying this is likely).
Does that change anyone's mind about whether HCKF gets canned?
I don't see how RU could keep him, if the rest of the season played out like that.
 

LotusAggressor_rivals

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It would be shocking if Flood got fired after this year. The B1G is probably more concerned about having a NY market platform for their marquee programs than they are about whether RU is any good, or are even trying to be.
 

MADHAT1

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No, it's still easier

Might be a tie

09/05/15 vs. Norfolk State
09/12/15 vs. Washington State
09/19/15 at Penn State
University Park, Pa.
09/26/15 vs. Kansas
10/10/15 vs. Michigan State
10/17/15 at Indiana
Bloomington, Ind.
10/24/15 vs. Ohio State
10/31/15 at Wisconsin
Madison, Wis.
11/07/15 at Michigan
Ann Arbor, Mich.
11/14/15 vs. Nebraska
11/21/15 at Army
West Point, N.Y. 12:00 p.m. ET
11/28/15 vs. Maryland

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Southern Gentleman

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Gentlemen,
It is time. KF has had his opportunity. That opportunity has now passed.

If we are going to move forward, we need to embrace change.

Try to get the coach at Memphis. Take Bret Bielima, please.

We deserve a better team. We have some quality players for sure. But we have way too many players who would never see the field at other Division 1 schools.

It is time for a change.
 

NickyNewark51

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1 positive i noticed was Blessuan Austin's development....maybe these young DB's will be a strength next yr.
 

devoted2ru

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Gentlemen,
It is time. KF has had his opportunity. That opportunity has now passed.

If we are going to move forward, we need to embrace change.

Try to get the coach at Memphis. Take Bret Bielima, please.

We deserve a better team. We have some quality players for sure. But we have way too many players who would never see the field at other Division 1 schools.

It is time for a change.

Southern, you have truly become an adopted "Loyal Son", and while you may not have attended RU, and we know you're a truly dedicated Razorbacks fan, we're glad to have you, and your input, as valued parts of the Rutgers family.
 

Mikemarc

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Gentlemen,
It is time. KF has had his opportunity. That opportunity has now passed.

If we are going to move forward, we need to embrace change.

Try to get the coach at Memphis. Take Bret Bielima, please.

We deserve a better team. We have some quality players for sure. But we have way too many players who would never see the field at other Division 1 schools.

It is time for a change.

We all know this. Our administration (president)doesnt. Until they show otherwise...they r the problem.
 

RUsSKii

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Where is it said that anything else will be dug up?

Like it or not Flood deserves another year or two.

No, Flood does not deserve another year to be head coach of Rutgers football. And in my opinion, you're either insane or simply have near-zero expectations of head coaching competence (let alone success) to even suggest that he may deserve two more years.

In typical college football programs with actual expectations and reasonable talent levels, a head coach is given an average of three years to prove their mettle. Thanks to his relative success in first-year B1G play last year last year, Flood was generously given a fourth year to do so. Unless something drastically changes in the last four games of this season, here is what we are dealing with:

Win-Loss records: under Floods tenure we have been roughly 4-22 against winning teams (somebody can research the exact number if they wish). That would mean that of the 44 games played under his tenure to date, we will have beaten 4 winning teams and 22 losing teams. That is a whole lot of crappy wins to pad 9-4, 6-6, and 8-5 schedules.

Margin of Losing: it would be one thing if most of our games lost against good teams were played competitively with an arguably solid game plan (see: Michigan State this season). But Rutgers has looked absolutely powerless, twice getting its doors blown off by Ohio State and Wisconsin, as well as ***-kickings by Michigan State last year and Penn State this year. While in the non-P5 AAC conference, we also got blown out by Houston and UCF.

Level of talent: Schiano got a pass for his first three or four years coaching at Rutgers because the lack of football facilities and winning history left the talent cupboard all but bare. Flood inherited a team loaded with defensive talent and seniors from Schiano, and managed a 9-4 record. That team was easily good enough to win a wide open AAC conference, but sleepwalked into a loss at Pittsburgh and put themselves in a bad position to let the referees decide the Louisville game. What is his excuse for the declining level of play and seemingly regressing talent level?

Recruiting: we can argue about this one all day, but you can't have a talented football team without doing at least a decent job here. Virtually no commitments from Top 10 New Jersey kids, and a lot of two-three star kids with a small number of four-starts. Either the top talent doesnt like what the coaches are telling them, or the coaches are simply not closing.

Quarterback management: we all know what we had with Gary Nova: flashes of brilliance and carrying the team interspersed with turnover-filled performances where he should have been benched. He was the most talented QB on the roster at the time, no doubt. But there was no excuse for keeping him under center to throw seven interceptions vs. Kent State in 2012, and practically move the team backwards in the bowl game vs. Virginia Tech. Schiano may have been criticized for switching QBs too often, but at least he recognized when one of them needed a breather from their own mistakes. Now we have a quarterback "controversy", where we were told all spring and summer that Laviano and Rettig were neck-and-neck. Flood sticks with Laviano through thick and thin, even when "thin" means averaging 10 points per game in our B1G losses this season and playing the same quarterback well into garbage time when trying Rettig clearly won't change the outcome of the game for the worse anyways. In my opinion, Laviano lacks arm strength relative to Rettig and has regressed in the last two games, and yet he keeps getting trotted out there to "learn".

Running a clean, honorable program: this was up until this year, Flood's greatest strength. Now, Rutgers image as a clean, ethical football program is in tatters. Players arrested for armed robbery, assault, and domestic violence, while perhaps not directly Floods fault or in his control to directly prevent, shows a complete lack of discipline. And how the hell can your football players be ethical when you violate academic policy in the most bumbling of ways? All for a kid who was already academically ineligible from the spring, had already failed the class In question, and was subsequently arrested and dismissed from the team. This paragraph right here is where he truly lost my support, and will not be getting it back.

And I'll close with this: Flood's behavior on the sideline displays a lack of fire, competitive nature, and arguably borderline apathy. Answer this: would you be more confident in this football program with a coach like Schiano running 30 yards down the sideline to scream at the refs after a wrong USF fumble recovery ball placement, Bo Pellini winning games for Nebraska and basically telling his detractors to f' off, or a Flood standing there with a straight face and writing on a notepad during live game action? This attitude, or lack thereof, will ultimately rub off on an otherwise very dedicated fanbase if Flood is allowed to keep coaching after this year. Most of us here may ignore calls to stop buying season tickets and attending games, but apathy will manifest itself in the form of a quieter stadium devoid of raucous cheering (see: OSU) , fans who don't care about coming late/leaving early based on team performance, and even season-ticket holders having no qualms about selling out to rivals' fans for top dollar, Financially, few will donate just for the sake of sparking progress in moving Rutgers football forward, rather than just keeping the seats and parking passes they want.

Based on the aforementioned, Flood deserves nothing from this administration or fanbase. Okay, end of rant.
 
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Like it or not Flood deserves another year or two.
I completely disagree.

I see zero aspects of our program moving in a positive direction from where he took over, and in most areas we are clearly worse than when he took over. Think Larry Coker at Miami on a smaller scale where he took over a roster and had a great first year, then steadily got worse because the recruiting and coaching got worse.

If we limp to a 4-8 finish (I don't want to contemplate a 3-9 finish) and Flood returns, that will cost more in the long run than getting rid of him now. We will start drawing less fans and the next coach will only have a deeper hole to dig us out of.

If Flood is not on one of the hottest seats in FBS, then whomever in authority decided that he is not should be on the hot seat too.
 

Rnation

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flood deserves another year or two, that's one of the funniest things I've ever read
 

lighty

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"It would be shocking if Flood got fired after this year."

It is absolutely shocking (and sad) they we have posts like this.