Is there anyone who is a draft hopeful for tonight from State?
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Absolutely zero prospects. Wow - that shows how bare the cupboard really was.
We didn’t even have anyone invited to the combine.
Right about now, I’d enjoy listening to those who perpetuated the idea that a NIL/Portal-world would help MSU compete with the blue bloods. I’ll hang up and listen.
That said, I’m hopeful Lebby and Selmon get drafted.
Into a branch of the military.
Their propensity for destruction is impressive.
That said, I’m hopeful Lebby and Selmon get drafted.
Into a branch of the military.
Their propensity for destruction is impressive.
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How many guys did Dan signed that made it on a NFL roster? Even with his laziness he was a better recruiter.
He wasn't lazy....he just didn't feel like messing with the drama. He took athletes and developed them. And it's an idea we are going to need to get comfortable with, portal or not. Except now the athletes are going to come from not just high school and JUCO, but the FCS and G5 level too. I would not even try and get a P5 transfer unless they contact us....meaning they are hungry.
Hopefuls?… We got a bunch of guys hopeful they don’t make somebody’s highlight reel. That’s about it.
You bite your tongue. Dan was far from lazy. I'd take that man back in a second.
We may have a couple of UDFA but yeah this is by far the worst “draft” class for us in a really long time.
Just goes to show how little every one that bitched and still ***** about Dan knew. Dude was one of the best coaches we have ever had and constantly put guys in the league like we had never seen before. We have been spoiled turning on tv the last 12-14 years watching guys from his era. That may only last a few more years before all those guys are out. Maybe a few will be around 5-7 more years but after that I'm not hopeful of replenishing guys because we just aren't getting or producing that kind of talent any more. Dans staff could find raw talent and develop that. Leach could do that to an extent. Lebby needs stars like morehead did. Arnett couldn't do anything either. We need a coach that knows how to find raw talent and get more with less.
Hard to blame the defense on Hutzler based on this fact alone. I bet we didn't have 1 sophomore, junior or senior that would start on a top 20 defense in the country. EVER. Maybe we had a freshman or 2 that could develop to that, but ZERO TALENT is a recipe for what we got.
Fixed it.
Edit: Looked a a 2026 draft prospects list. We had 1 player (DE Gullette) listed at #152 prospect, no one else in the top 300).
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I'm the opposite. When you have zero talent, there's no excuse for not having your defense able to line up correctly. It's not like we had to choose between a world class athlete that was dumb as a brick or somebody that didn't belong in the SEC. The defense was full of people that didn't belong in the SEC and I just can't believe they were all morons. He just failed at coaching the basics.
Might wouldn't have made that big of a difference with the talent we had, but it would have been less frustrating if we had at least had a plan that covered all the eligible receivers.
I'm not gonna argue b/c i honestly don't remember, but i don't recall us being out of position a ton. I do recall us running a 3 man front and that made everyone mad.
I also recall a pretty solid game plan against ole miss.
We also played pretty hard considering how bad we were.
They may have improved a lot after I gave up on watching them, but there were several times the first half of the season where it felt like OC's were confident that they could pull out an alignment on 3rd and long that would get us tripped up.
I would agree that when I checked in in later games, they didn't look like they were giving up, which is something. Would have considered that a good sign in the past. Now with everybody auditioning for their next stop and potentially NIL money, not sure if it's as hard to keep players playing hard.
I guess we'll see this year on whether we show improvement or not!
I'm just saying Nick Saban would have looked bad as our D coordinator last year. Maybe not as bad as Hutz.
I would agree that there almost certainly wasn't a defensive coordinator that could have made that defense into an above average SEC defense. I'm not sure there was a coordinator that could have turned last year's defense into an average SEC defense.
Am I crazy or didn’t Stone Blanton leave to declare for the draft? Based on the fact that he didn’t even get invited to the combine, that seems like a questionable decision
Which just further makes the hiring of Lebby such a head-scratcher. We all knew this. Lebby is just 'some guy' that runs the modern offense. He doesn't really have a system for it, and I've yet to see any kind of identity from him. At least JoMo was a pretty good recruiter/people person.
The basic blueprint at MSU is clear. King Jackie, Danny Boy and Leach employed it. Raw athletes in, discipline and development, be different on offense, lead with defense.
We really, REALLY......should have hired Willie Fritz.
Its too early to judge lebby at all currently. He inherited one of the worst train wrecks ever.. in our roster and coaching situation.
Its very unlikely anyone with any pedigree at all wanted the job... some of the names floated around that we "thought" we could get I doubt are even true.
Its very unlikely anyone with any pedigree at all wanted the job... some of the names floated around that we "thought" we could get I doubt are even true.
It's not 2010. With the portal you can at least build yourself into competence. Even Leach, with a weird offense, had us competent in a COVID year and then rolling along well in year 2. And that was at the beginning of the portal era.
Possible, but Selmon also had no idea what can and can't work at MSU. He just went and hired the best and easiest name he could with no thought whatsoever.
Except that model doesn't work in the free transfer era.
not disagreeing... but the situation he inherited was way worse than Leach dreamed of... and dont get me wrong i dont like the trajectory... but he deserves more time before a final grade is given.
It's hard for me to fathom Dak, KJ Wright, Fletcher Cox, Benardrick McKinney staying at State. They could probably double their money within our own conference. If it was my own child, I'd tell them to do the same thing. You only have so many years of playing this sport - maximize your value.
It’s a “chicken or the egg” situation. You get nothing but crap talent when you don’t offer shít in NIL, and you don’t have a proven playcaller. And a proven, competent playcaller isn’t going to take a job where there is crap talent and no NIL available. Therefore, the head coach’s only option is to hire a totally unproven DC who is also one of his buddies, and still having to overpay him.
Well, Dak did stay. He had already graduated, so he had the option to leave without sitting.
I would argue you better be able to develop even more in the new era. State will always be a have not. We up 10 mil in funds so will everyone else exponentially. It is what it is. You better be able to develop and do more with less and be able to take what you have and win, because your better players will get bigger better offers elsewhere. Better be able to take the 3 star each year and get 4 star play out of him every year.
You guys need to quit living the dream. We obviously don't have the money or we don't know how to invest our money. I never expected us to have a draft list off of losing team. It's hard to evaluate a coaching staff when the Jimmies and Joes are at such an imbalance in the SEC right now. I think there is parity among the top few in the SEC and then there are teams like us. We should kick the crap out of teams like USM, but SEC victories are going to be harder than ever because our players get poached if they are any good. See Woody Marks.
I would say Stone is our vest hope to make an NFL team. Not sure he gets drafted tho. Everybody likes to complain but him and Smith made 90% of the tackles last season. Could be because they tripped over him but he did get a ton of tackles. Like SEC leader. But still I'm guessing UDFA
I'm willing to bet we are the most featured team in the highlights shown tonight and probably throughout the draft weekend.
My fear is it’s going to take a really good coach for us to just get to 6-6 consistently in this era. And any coach that’s average or worse will get eaten alive (as we have seen with Arnett and may be en route to the same outcome with Lebby, time will tell).
Until some structure is put in place, if that even happens… we are going to struggle to get good talent to campus, and the gems we do find will be at risk to be poached from us every single year.
Until some structure is put in place, if that even happens… we are going to struggle to get good talent to campus, and the gems we do find will be at risk to be poached from us every single year.
Dan is not willing to compete in the SEC in this environment with all the high bidders for talent. Any talent he might have developed would be gone. It will happen at UNLV too, but at UNLV who gives a damn?
That guy was grinding to get our of Starkville in 2012.
If he'd been committed to winning here, the program would be in a much better position than now, so...
17 him!
That guy was grinding to get our of Starkville in 2012.
If he'd been committed to winning here, the program would be in a much better position than now, so...
17 him!