Jans and job openings...

[dawgstudent]

he's listed on a very early list for K-State.

The issue this year is if he flirts - he loses even more good will among the fanbase because of the record. I think some gave him a pass previously because of the tournament appearances. Like I always said with Kiffin - easy way to squash this.

 

[DT4248]

lol if he's already flirting let him go - take it as a gift - and get someone who can build a team to compete around Hubbard's strengths cause Jans clearly can't. Jans & Hubbard do not mesh well together from a basketball sense so best for them to divorce. If we can keep Hubbard w/o paying a buyout - huge.

 

[HailStout]

I would be very okay with him leaving. I get what he has done previously, but dear god has this year been miserable. And I really don’t feel like he is suddenly going to turn it around next year.

 

[patdog]

If he wants to look for another job I wouldn’t do anything to try to keep him. If he doesn’t get one I wouldn’t fire him.

 

[TXDawg.sixpack]

This is his third year with Hubbard. One of the most prolific scorers in Mississippi, MSU, and even NCAA history. If he hasn’t figured out how to win big with him yet, he’s not going to magically figure it out next year.

 

[HailStout]

He would actually be smart to take that job if offered. He is on the hot seat here next year. Starting somewhere new could buy him a few years

 

[civildawg88]

There is zero chance he gets offered the job and probably doesn't even get an interview.

 

[olblue]

This is his third year with Hubbard. One of the most prolific scorers in Mississippi, MSU, and even NCAA history. If he hasn’t figured out how to win big with him yet, he’s not going to magically figure it out next year.

Getting Mississippi State to the NCAAT three years in a row IS winning big.

Wouldn’t blame him to take a better job if offered.

 

[HailStout]

Alright Karl, speak up. You obviously are very pro Jan’s. Why? Not saying you are wrong. Just want to know why. I don’t hate jans, I just feel like next year isn’t going to be good, and two bad years in a row you Have to go. This partnership feels like it has gone as far as it can go.

 

[Baddog11]

I’m pro Jan’s because he’s taken us to the ncaa tournament 3 times and I can still remember the previous 30 years when there were no ncaa tournament births just Nits here and there and that’s all we really had hope for.

 

[patdog]

Alright Karl, speak up. You obviously are very pro Jan’s. Why? Not saying you are wrong. Just want to know why. I don’t hate jans, I just feel like next year isn’t going to be good, and two bad years in a row you Have to go. This partnership feels like it has gone as far as it can go.

He looks like a coach who has hit his ceiling. If he gets the K State job I bet he’s fired in 5 years. That’s a tough league & K State isn’t one of the top basketball schools in it.

 

[BreckyBratt]

 

[The Cooterpoot]

His buyout is very large, he ain't goin nowhere

 

[PrimeDog]

Getting Mississippi State to the NCAAT three years in a row IS winning big.

Wouldn’t blame him to take a better job if offered.

Yea yea yea. And I will continue to beat the dead horse. EVERY SEC not with a Bulldog mascot has made the Sweet 16 or better in the 2000s. 12 of the 14 teams in the league (prior to TX and OK, yet both of them have done it too) have made the Sweet 16 or better this century. Bbbbbbut yay, Jans has gone 0-3!!!!!!!!!!!!

so this whole, Jans continues to exceed MSU history is just bunk.

 

[Perd Hapley]

If he wants to look for another job I wouldn’t do anything to try to keep him. If he doesn’t get one I wouldn’t fire him.

Agreed. Jans is such a weird deal….I truly like him as a coach, and think he’s capable as a basketball mind. But in general, I think NIL and the portal have cut his legs out from under him. I don’t think his style is cut out for constant roster turnover, or recruiting of prolific offensive players.

Whether it’s a Jans problem, a team budget problem, or both, we’ve been absolutely miserable at landing impact transfers….and nobody else seems to have these issues. The further we get from the Tolu / Matthews / Murphy nucleus that we had for several years, the more struggles we’ve had. Those guys plus Hubbard were all homegrown talents that stayed with the program (at least until Murphy left). Regardless of whose fault it ultimately is, it’s not going to get any better with Jans here. So the time to move on for everybody is likely coming sooner rather than later.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Agreed. Jans is such a weird deal….I truly like him as a coach, and think he’s capable as a basketball mind. But in general, I think NIL and the portal have cut his legs out from under him. I don’t think his style is cut out for constant roster turnover, or recruiting of prolific offensive players.

Whether it’s a Jans problem, a team budget problem, or both, we’ve been absolutely miserable at landing impact transfers….and nobody else seems to have these issues. The further we get from the Tolu / Matthews / Murphy nucleus that we had for several years, the more struggles we’ve had. Those guys plus Hubbard were all homegrown talents that stayed with the program (at least until Murphy left). Regardless of whose fault it ultimately is, it’s not going to get any better with Jans here. So the time to move on for everybody is likely coming sooner rather than later.

I felt like his years of success in JUCO coaching would help him with constant roster turnover but that hasn’t been the case. The money has been there, he and his staff just suck at talent evaluation.

 

[MSUDC11-2.0]

Yea yea yea. And I will continue to beat the dead horse. EVERY SEC not with a Bulldog mascot has made the Sweet 16 or better in the 2000s. 12 of the 14 teams in the league (prior to TX and OK, yet both of them have done it too) have made the Sweet 16 or better this century. Bbbbbbut yay, Jans has gone 0-3!!!!!!!!!!!!

so this whole, Jans continues to exceed MSU history is just bunk.

Lack of success in the tourney is a different conversation and a fair critique on some levels. But we only made the NCAAT three times between 2006 and 2022, and Jans came in and went 3 for 3 in making it right out of the gate.

We historically are a program where simply making the tourney has been difficult. That is an objective fact.

 

[MSUDC11-2.0]

I’m not saying we can’t do better than Jans. We possibly could. But I know for a fact we can do worse. We’ve all lived it.

I’d prefer he stays and takes a crack at turning the ship around. It’s the worst regular season of his career as a head coach, so I think he’s more than earned the right to prove he can fix things.

 

[leeinator]

he's listed on a very early list for K-State.

The issue this year is if he flirts - he loses even more good will among the fanbase because of the record. I think some gave him a pass previously because of the tournament appearances. Like I always said with Kiffin - easy way to squash this.

If I was him, I'd probably take the K-State job. Hate to say it, but it's a better job and it's closer to home for him.

 

[johnson86-1]

I felt like his years of success in JUCO coaching would help him with constant roster turnover but that hasn’t been the case. The money has been there, he and his staff just suck at talent evaluation.

I think it’s a combination of them being terrible at evaluation and sacrificing defense for offense when his identity is defense. Maybe sacrificing defense for offense would be fine if they were better at evaluating talent.
But I’d still prefer he stay. I don’t think him 17ing up this years roster means he can’t figure it out. He’s basically screwed himself with two years of bad evaluations. He could pretty easily get lucky with the next evaluation or maybe more practically, hire some help.

 

[onewoof]

I feel like this year it's the State fans at the dentist.

 

[stateu1]

I felt like his years of success in JUCO coaching would help him with constant roster turnover but that hasn’t been the case. The money has been there, he and his staff just suck at talent evaluation.

I keep hearing “talent evaluation,” but is it really? Maybe it’s just that the talented players don’t want to play for State, so we take the best of what’s left?

 

[onewoof]

The game has changed to more of a casual business. Coaches are now just a fellow employee. You have to motivate others by the person that you are, the way you live. That's exceedingly rare.

 

[Lettuce]

This isn’t a Jan’s problem. It’s an MSU problem

 

[onewoof]

This isn’t a Jan’s problem. It’s an MSU problem

It's both and. Like any program, it takes a different kind of leader to rally behind.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

He wanted out last year. If K-State wants him he's gone.

If he stays, I'm pretty sure he'll work OT to win his way out next year. He's not risking another year like this one.

 

[POTUS]

Here’s my question, what did LSU and Auburn offer for our two best front court players and why didn’t we match it? Nwoko & Murphy make our team formidable. How did we let them walk?

 

[olblue]

Yea yea yea. And I will continue to beat the dead horse. EVERY SEC not with a Bulldog mascot has made the Sweet 16 or better in the 2000s. 12 of the 14 teams in the league (prior to TX and OK, yet both of them have done it too) have made the Sweet 16 or better this century. Bbbbbbut yay, Jans has gone 0-3!!!!!!!!!!!!

so this whole, Jans continues to exceed MSU history is just bunk.

Since when is the truth just bunk?

 

[msudawg1200]

I’m pro Jan’s because he’s taken us to the ncaa tournament 3 times and I can still remember the previous 30 years when there were no ncaa tournament births just Nits here and there and that’s all we really had hope for.

Typical Mississippi State fan thought

 

[OopsICroomedmypants]

I’m not saying we can’t do better than Jans. We possibly could. But I know for a fact we can do worse. We’ve all lived it.

I’d prefer he stays and takes a crack at turning the ship around. It’s the worst regular season of his career as a head coach, so I think he’s more than earned the right to prove he can fix things.

All I ask of Jans is for him to run an offense that is able to score consistently. I think Richard Williams would have had this team winning.

 

[Shmuley]

Hey! How ‘bout that baseball team?

 

[Theconnormead]

he's listed on a very early list for K-State.

The issue this year is if he flirts - he loses even more good will among the fanbase because of the record. I think some gave him a pass previously because of the tournament appearances. Like I always said with Kiffin - easy way to squash this.

Not a “grass is greener” guy, but I’m fine with him moving on. Just don’t think he really connects with today’s players. There’s a big difference between coaching hard and just being an a$$hole.

 

[DT4248]

I don't give Jans all this credit for making the tournament. NIL has made midmajors worse and the SEC better (Big 10 was already great). Rising tide lifted the entire SEC into the tournament.

We have a top 20 paid coach and a top 50 payroll and 0 top 32 finishes.

 

[dickiedawg]

he's listed on a very early list for K-State.

The issue this year is if he flirts - he loses even more good will among the fanbase because of the record. I think some gave him a pass previously because of the tournament appearances. Like I always said with Kiffin - easy way to squash this.

If he has a chance to take the Kansas State job he should take it.
Honestly I feel like he would take any P4 job he could this offseason. I don’t know how many would match his current salary, though.

 

[HailStout]

We have a top 20 paid coach and a top 50 payroll and 0 top 32 finishes.

This

 

[40 acres and a mule]

Even when his teams win they look like crap.

 

[AROB44]

Even when his teams win they look like crap.

And all along, I thought it was about winning. Now I see it's really about how we "look".

 

[OG Goat Holder]

If he has a chance to take the Kansas State job he should take it.

No shlt, look at how our fans are trashing him in this thread. I'd want out of here too.

 

[ETK99]

This isn’t a Jan’s problem. It’s an MSU problem

False, we've had solid rated classes with a few highly rated transfers, but we haven't signed much in HS until this class and we've taken some really bad transfers. Jans needs better evaluations, not more money.

 

[Perd Hapley]

I felt like his years of success in JUCO coaching would help him with constant roster turnover but that hasn’t been the case. The money has been there, he and his staff just suck at talent evaluation.

Related to the JUCO thing, it’s ultimately very different because of the buy-in incentives. Those lower-mid level players had no choice but to buy-in to Jans’ expectations for intensity and effort on the defensive end….or they were going nowhere. They weren’t getting paid, and they had to do whatever was necessary to get on the court so that they could maybe get an elusive D1 offer somewhere.

Now? These transfer guys get paid regardless. They may not play much if they don’t jive with Jans, but they just bolt to a better destination the following year. There are no incentives for them to buy-in if it does not fit their MO. Simply put, a coach who built their entire career on defensive intensity and effort is not a good fit for this current climate. It’s not a fun or appealing brand of basketball for most players, as they are going to want to be in a system that showcases shooting and offense. I think that sucks, but that’s the reality of where both college basketball and college athletics in general are heading.