He is searching players name on the NCAA store website and it is bringing up their team jersey number and everything. Go check his twitter feed out if you can
Jay bilas making the NCAA look stupid right now on twitter
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hopefully, the hypocrisy of the ncaa will no longer be tolerated and we start to see it in its death throws for something the power conferences see as fair. its going to get really interesting as the balance of power gets really out of control...as if it wasnt already.
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He's playing to the court of public perception. All the NCAA has to do is say that the search tool was to facilitate the searches. This information is available to public on any internet search. But if people say it's not fair, then all they have to do is remove the search function.
Maybe the NCAA should also not put the names on the jerseys. Maybe they should outlaw autographs and interviews. The real losers in this are the fans.
He's playing to the court of public perception. All the NCAA has to do is say that the search tool was to facilitate the searches. This information is available to public on any internet search. But if people say it's not fair, then all they have to do is remove the search function.
Maybe the NCAA should also not put the names on the jerseys. Maybe they should outlaw autographs and interviews. The real losers in this are the fans.
Who is going to revolt? The players or the universities? If the players, I would hate to know that the games could not be played because the players are on strike. Time for some intramural heroes (no collective bargaining agreement in college). If the universities, that would be tragic - seeing that they in fact make the policy of the NCAA.
This is correct, the only viable solution here is a player draft instead of recruitment, if the schools desire to maintain any sense of parody. If the players want to choose their schoo and be recruited, then they can't be paid open market prices. What if the NFL was allowed to recruit players and pay them open market fees?
I agree with Colin Cowherd on this subject. They get a free education (at MSU that's ~$80,000), free food (he went on about how much it costs to feed a dozen or more 6'6", 300+ kids), and many other expenses are included.
Another interesting stat was that in the SEC, the average amount of money spent per player on scholarship per year was $160,000 dollars. That's $160,000 x 85 + a lower amount for 15ish walk ons.
$160,000 x 4= $640,000 per player over a 4 year period. I think they're getting paid plenty.
Another interesting stat was that in the SEC, the average amount of money spent per player on scholarship per year was $160,000 dollars. That's $160,000 x 85 + a lower amount for 15ish walk ons.
$160,000 x 4= $640,000 per player over a 4 year period. I think they're getting paid plenty.
I agree completely. 100%. But it's not as black and white as that. For people like me and you (I'm guessing, sorry if I'm wrong) who were able to go to college on our own with family support and what-not, simply getting free tuition and the majority of our meals covered for half of the year would be AWESOME... but a significant amount of college athletes, especially those from Mississippi, don't have that foundation that makes college bearable for $20 a week.
I had one final class to take this summer and it was just a 1000 class I forgot to take as a freshman so there were a ton of football players in there I'm guessing because it was an easy A. I got put into a group project with one of them (not going to say his name, but he was a 3* and will probably end up being a solid rotation guy for us in a year or so) and he didn't have a car and every piece of clothing he had was an Adidas piece given to him as part of the team whatever. Probably didn't have a pot to piss in otherwise. Those guys wake up a 4 in the morning and probably burn 5000 calories running around in the name of Mississippi State athletics and essentially get paid ~$2000-3000 a semester for tuition, $1000 for a meal plan (which we can argue they wouldn't need if they weren't having to weigh in at 310 lbs), and some cash on the side, which I know for a fact most of them use for gas to go home on the weekend.
I think football players get a great deal in going to school for free and getting a lot of services like tutoring and a nutritionist and stuff like that that normal students don't get but it doesn't really cost anything to allow a kid to go to school for free and they're making 10's of millions of dollars for most schools and living like bums. I'm in favor of a stipend that reflects the normal cost of living. OR I'm in favor of the NCAA not making any money... which isn't going to happen.... so I'm in favor of paying players some spending money. It'd probably cut down on the number of guys going bankrupt during their first 5 years in and out of the NFL too because having money for the first time in their lives won't be such a huge deal.
I love Jay Bilas. If he was NCAA president things might start to make sense. It won't happen though. Just like ESPN's push for Bob Costas to become MLB commish isn't going to happen.
The only problem with this is that you are lumping everyone into the same boat as far as generating money for their team. Johnny Manziel, Cam Newton > Career college 3rd stringer. The big names bring the revenue for the college and are more focused on NFL rather than degree.
They would call it "Free Agency".**
Here's a question for ya: If the NCAA had an open market or endorsement deals, what is keeping a player like Johnny "Cash" Maniel at Texas A&M after winning the Heisman his freshman year and not heading to a "larger market"?
If a player costs $160,000, then Cecil was trying to rip us off for $180,000. I'm glad we didn't take that deal.**
Why not just move to a minor league system like baseball? Kids can go right out of high school if they want. NCAA football has become a monster, and while I love watching it and pulling for MSU, it is light years away from having anything to do with getting an education, which is the primary purpose of universities...I think?
Yeah, except that would never happen. Kids can already do that and go play for whatever arena or UFL or XFL or whatever team they want to... but their dreams of playing in the NFL become exactly that. College football is where the best athletes go to tune their skills. Setting up a "minor league" system would not only go bankrupt in a year's time, it would attract 2nd rate high school coaches and even bigger head case players.
I hope you were being sarcastic.
Look, the NCAA sucks but it's the best thing going. Time for reforms, but wanting to abandon it? Come on. I'm not necessarily for Bilas but there needs to be a former athlete with a law degree in the NCAA's highest office. Ole Mark doesn't know a thing about college athletics, especially 21st century college athletics.
18 year olds should not be in the NFL. Simple as that for me. As the NFL, I wouldnt want to go anywhere near that chaos. And since they dont have a minor league to let players develop, the 3 years removed from HS rule makes sense.
For basketball though?- its a totally different game and has a minor league system. I actually wish the NBA would do away with the rule requiring players to be 1 year removed from HS before they are eligible for the draft.
Speaking of basketball's minor league system, I have been very surprised that players havent opted to take the minor league route more often. Its basically only been Starkville's very own Latavious Williams who has played in the D League instead of going to college.
Going from HS to the D League would allow players unlimited training, access to NBA style play(vs college), force them to play against better cometition(vs college), and allow them to get used to a more intense schedule.
For basketball though?- its a totally different game and has a minor league system. I actually wish the NBA would do away with the rule requiring players to be 1 year removed from HS before they are eligible for the draft.
Speaking of basketball's minor league system, I have been very surprised that players havent opted to take the minor league route more often. Its basically only been Starkville's very own Latavious Williams who has played in the D League instead of going to college.
Going from HS to the D League would allow players unlimited training, access to NBA style play(vs college), force them to play against better cometition(vs college), and allow them to get used to a more intense schedule.
That really is hilarious, but I can't figure out why seemingly no one gets the fact that this isn't about the NCAA trying to prevent student athletes from making money. This is about the fact that the NCAA could not even begin to regulate it, so it's simply outlawed. If all players had the ability to get $20 for an autograph and some made more than others, it really wouldn't be all that much of an issue. But what is Joe Booster from Auburn going to do as soon as he finds out this is legal? Oh, you're a 5* QB? Why don't you sign this shirt for me, and I'll put a couple grand in your hands?
I despise the NCAA and the hypocrisy in their many rulings, but this is one area where I just don't understand the fuss. The NCAA really has its hands tied in most situations that would allow players to make money because schools and boosters will find ways to exploit those avenues. Maybe it's going to happen regardless, but that doesn't mean that they should make it easy on them.
I despise the NCAA and the hypocrisy in their many rulings, but this is one area where I just don't understand the fuss. The NCAA really has its hands tied in most situations that would allow players to make money because schools and boosters will find ways to exploit those avenues. Maybe it's going to happen regardless, but that doesn't mean that they should make it easy on them.
You make a lot of claims in this post, but you don't back it up with any reasoning at all.
Why would a "minor league" football system go bankrupt in one year's time?
Why would it only attract 2nd rate high school coaches and players?
Truth is, we don't know how it would work out, but if college football suddenly vanished over night I assure you developmental leagues would sprout up.
Why would a "minor league" football system go bankrupt in one year's time?
Why would it only attract 2nd rate high school coaches and players?
Truth is, we don't know how it would work out, but if college football suddenly vanished over night I assure you developmental leagues would sprout up.
Didn't Auburn already do that?
Just get out of the kids pockets. There is still only one starting QB on a team. So they won't get all the best players because the best players want to play.
Hell MSU might have gotten Cam and won a championship if the ability to make money was above board.
Really it is not about the big name players anyway. I was always told the NCAA made rules so Student-Athletes have no more benefits that other students at the school. No other student at the school who is on scholarship has a limit to how much money they can make. A Computer Engineering scholarship student could write Facebook for example and there is no limit on what they make. A literary major can write a book and sell it. A business major can run their own business and make money, like a cigar store for example.
There is no need to regulate what they make outside of school. The IRS will do that. The only thing that should be regulated is that the school cannot be involved with securing the jobs.
Just get out of the kids pockets. There is still only one starting QB on a team. So they won't get all the best players because the best players want to play.
Hell MSU might have gotten Cam and won a championship if the ability to make money was above board.
Really it is not about the big name players anyway. I was always told the NCAA made rules so Student-Athletes have no more benefits that other students at the school. No other student at the school who is on scholarship has a limit to how much money they can make. A Computer Engineering scholarship student could write Facebook for example and there is no limit on what they make. A literary major can write a book and sell it. A business major can run their own business and make money, like a cigar store for example.
There is no need to regulate what they make outside of school. The IRS will do that. The only thing that should be regulated is that the school cannot be involved with securing the jobs.
Have they never heard of Pell Grant or student loans? College players from all universities have access to the Pell Grant based on family income/contribution. If they don't qualify for that they can always take out student loans like most other college kids. They already get a monthly stipend to help cover expenses such as off campus rent, etc. These athletes are NOT just getting tuition food and books. They already get much more than that
But that's the thing. There are only a handful of college players that generate revenue for a college. Manziel, Tebow, Newton, Vince Young, and Reggie Bush are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head. The point is Texas A&M spends $160,000 per year on Johnny Football and yes, he's more valuable in terms of revenue than that. But they are also spending $160,000 per year for the other 84 players on scholarship who aren't bringing in nearly that much in revenue.
People are wanting to pay players because of the less than a dozen players in the last decade that were worth a lot more money than their scholarship was worth. That would be changing the system to cater to the top >.001%.
Not sure why you hope I was being sarcastic. It was a "why not" question from the beginning. I agree that the best thing going for that age football player right now is the NCAA, this was more along the lines of the NCAA is a train wreck, college football is saturated with money and power and thus motivations that take it further and further away from the original intent of varsity collegiate athletics.
Not that I believe that it's all been about education for quite some time, it just seems that education now makes up a negligible % of consideration when it comes to football. Seems like the tail is definitely wagging the dog. I don't think that it should continue as it is, but I don't think that a pay to play free for all is the answer either. In my mind the most logical solution lies somewhere outside of college athletics. What does that look like? Who knows...I just know that for a guy who paid his way through MSU and is now sending his daughter to MSU, I don't want to see my personal educational institution compromise any more in the name of athletics for kids who don't value the MSU education at all. I'd rather that there were a non-college alternative that perfectly fit the player's goals and the goals of whatever organization that might be. I'd kind of like someone with the authority to make it stick stand up and say "Shut up and appreciate the education that you are offered, or go pound sand.". May just be me...
Not that I believe that it's all been about education for quite some time, it just seems that education now makes up a negligible % of consideration when it comes to football. Seems like the tail is definitely wagging the dog. I don't think that it should continue as it is, but I don't think that a pay to play free for all is the answer either. In my mind the most logical solution lies somewhere outside of college athletics. What does that look like? Who knows...I just know that for a guy who paid his way through MSU and is now sending his daughter to MSU, I don't want to see my personal educational institution compromise any more in the name of athletics for kids who don't value the MSU education at all. I'd rather that there were a non-college alternative that perfectly fit the player's goals and the goals of whatever organization that might be. I'd kind of like someone with the authority to make it stick stand up and say "Shut up and appreciate the education that you are offered, or go pound sand.". May just be me...
It's the best thing going for coaches, then administrators, then fans. It's a pretty deal for the players that aren't good. It's a pretty ****** deal for the players that are good. There's no doubt if you don't mind screwing over the people playing, we don't really need to change the NCAA. It's only the people that believe you shouldn't screw somebody just because it's in you're power to do it that think the current approach needs to be changed.
Why would you want that? First of all, it most likely wouldn't benefit us at all. And second, why does someone who is big and can run a football get paid to go to college when there's tens of thousands of students on campus not getting paid doing what the university was created to do. Get an education.
Lastly, what about all the other student athletes? Do you pay them too?
That is easy. You buy into the notion that C student football players are coming to college to get an education. The majority arent. They want and think they can get to the league.
Are you going to hire nickoe whitley if he doesnt make the league but has his degree?
I'm sure some 4.0 36 ACT students get better academic offers than lesser students.
Why is such a big deal if businesses want to use athletes as spokespersons? How does that change anything from the way it is now? Does it really change the world that much if Tyler Russell endorses Carl Hogan Toyota instead of Dan Mullen?
Why is such a big deal if businesses want to use athletes as spokespersons? How does that change anything from the way it is now? Does it really change the world that much if Tyler Russell endorses Carl Hogan Toyota instead of Dan Mullen?
Instead of building the best facilities, boosters would buy the best players. Paying/rewarding the individual is not what communism is about.**
If their name, image, signature, likeness is so important/valuable, then they should stop playing collegiately (amateurly) and play professionally. Why would someone stay filing papers in a work-study job when they have the opportunity to make thousands as a full-time employee?