Jay bilas making the NCAA look stupid right now on twitter

[esplanade91]

You make a lot of claims in this post, but you don't back it up with any reasoning at all.

Why would a "minor league" football system go bankrupt in one year's time?
Why would it only attract 2nd rate high school coaches and players?

Truth is, we don't know how it would work out, but if college football suddenly vanished over night I assure you developmental leagues would sprout up.

NFL Europe was in fact the NFL's minor league. It was developmental players and practice squad guys. You can argue it went bankrupt because it was Europe, but it still had 0 viewership in the United States.

The USFL was very popular and made money but ultimately went bankrupt.

The truth is most (if not all) D-League teams lose money because it's all players not good enough to even make the 11th spot on an NBA roster. This is why teams like the Pelicans who can't necessarily afford to spend money like the Lakers don't have one. If you factor in salaries I bet most minor league baseball teams don't make money either. Maybe I'm off by "one year" but the point is the same... it's not the NFL, no one would watch... it would be right there with the XFL and so on. Players would be better off doing the "overseas basketball" thing by just playing in Canada.

There's no way to back either way up, but basing it off everything else I'd bet it would fail and this is why it's never even been considered. I just don't see anyone who can coach in name brand leagues like decent NCAA programs or the NFL would move to the "minor league NFL"...

I personally would love another NFL Europe though, but again that would be players already in the NFL. Seneca Wallace type of guys and Anthony Dixon starters. There needs to be football in the spring somehow. 18 year olds should not be in professional football.

 

[HD6]

Are you saying boosters aren't currently buying the best players for their school? That's an interesting viewpoint.

Every employer sets their own work rules. Google probably wouldn't hire me, because I have no experience in computer programming. Doesn't mean I can't have a job. The NFL doesn't want 18 year old football players. So, you think those athletes shouldn't be allowed to have a job? Why?

 

[dawgstudent]

It changes the world if Delois price is not in the commercial bc of Mullen or Russell.

 

[HD6]

So you would take out a student loan and graduate under a mound of crushing debt even if you were on full scholarship?

 

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

How does the current system benefit us? I'm dying to know.

If someone wants to pay a women's basketball player or golfer for the usage of their likeness, name, or signature, then by all means I would be for that. What kind of communist wouldn't?

How would being able to pay players work to our benefit? I didn't say the current system works to our advantage, but it's better than a system where universities are able to pay players. You do realize our competition right?

You also know damn well that they wouldn't allow a system to be put in place where only some football players get paid. If you paid some football players you would at the very least have to pay some female athletes because of some Title 9 ******** or another.

 

[HD6]

So you think a system where players are paid under the table benefits us more than a system where it's all out in the open? That is another interesting viewpoint.

I never said a system should be in place where only some players got paid. I said I was in favor of a system where are players can get paid, assuming there is a market for their services. Football, baseball, basketball, track, man or woman, they can all get a piece of the pie if somebody is willing to cook it for them.

 

[DerHntr]

I don't think HD6 is suggesting the university pay them. He is saying to allow them to make money like other students are allowed to do. Title 9 has no jurisdiction over an open market.

Example: Dave's Darkhorse decides they want to have a pizza eating contest between the offensive and defensive line. They pay them each a hundred bucks to participate and $250 more to the winner. They promote it like crazy and then sell tickets to onlookers. They then sell a shitload of beer. They are paying the players as a way to market an event.

In today's rules this can't be done. If opened up, there would be a lot of small and large opportunities to make money.

There are tech oriented students at State right now who are on full rides who can make a good living programming, creating aps, etc. with no restriction. Their talent or value is being paid for on the open market. Why can't a person who has value that a business may want to utilize get paid if that person just so happens to be an athlete on scholarship rather than a non-athlete on scholarship?

 

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

The cycle is just going to be pushed to earlier and earlier ages.
So now college athletes are going to hire agents. Now agents are going to be talking to kids as sophomores and juniors in high school, trying to get the inside edge on the high school kids so they can get their business in college. I don't think an 18-20 year old is going to make great decisions, how good of decisions is a 16 year old going to make?

While we're at it though, why don't we pay high school athletes? The schools make money off the athletes, so why not pay them too? It's such an injustice to the athletes.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

I agree completely. 100%. But it's not as black and white as that. For people like me and you (I'm guessing, sorry if I'm wrong) who were able to go to college on our own with family support and what-not, simply getting free tuition and the majority of our meals covered for half of the year would be AWESOME... but a significant amount of college athletes, especially those from Mississippi, don't have that foundation that makes college bearable for $20 a week.

I had one final class to take this summer and it was just a 1000 class I forgot to take as a freshman so there were a ton of football players in there I'm guessing because it was an easy A. I got put into a group project with one of them (not going to say his name, but he was a 3* and will probably end up being a solid rotation guy for us in a year or so) and he didn't have a car and every piece of clothing he had was an Adidas piece given to him as part of the team whatever. Probably didn't have a pot to piss in otherwise. Those guys wake up a 4 in the morning and probably burn 5000 calories running around in the name of Mississippi State athletics and essentially get paid ~$2000-3000 a semester for tuition, $1000 for a meal plan (which we can argue they wouldn't need if they weren't having to weigh in at 310 lbs), and some cash on the side, which I know for a fact most of them use for gas to go home on the weekend.

I think football players get a great deal in going to school for free and getting a lot of services like tutoring and a nutritionist and stuff like that that normal students don't get but it doesn't really cost anything to allow a kid to go to school for free and they're making 10's of millions of dollars for most schools and living like bums. I'm in favor of a stipend that reflects the normal cost of living. OR I'm in favor of the NCAA not making any money... which isn't going to happen.... so I'm in favor of paying players some spending money. It'd probably cut down on the number of guys going bankrupt during their first 5 years in and out of the NFL too because having money for the first time in their lives won't be such a huge deal.

I love Jay Bilas. If he was NCAA president things might start to make sense. It won't happen though. Just like ESPN's push for Bob Costas to become MLB commish isn't going to happen.

On top of that, these kids can't really work a part time job to help them out because they are expected to spend any free time lifting, practicing, and studying film, even if its "voluntary". So where you can work 20 hrs/week waiting tables or on campus or bartend a few nights a week, they don't really have that free time.

 

[DerHntr]

I agree. Let the HS kids make money if the market is there.

Oh and btw, 18-20 year old Americans are in the middle east right now in camo. Anyone beating their chests lately to stop them from making that decision? I guess we really need to protect those helpless college athletes from making piles of money.

I can be a smartass too if you want that.

 

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Oh and btw, 18-20 year old Americans are in the middle east right now in camo. Anyone beating their chests lately to stop them from making that decision? I guess we really need to protect those helpless college athletes from making piles of money.

I can be a smartass too if you want that.

Really? So you haven't noticed that the majority of the public has wanted to pull the troops out of the Middle East for like the past 7-8 years? No kid should have to go die over political ********.

 

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Look, I'm all for giving all student athletes a weekly stipend. I'm against HD6's idea of making college football an all out money grab

 

[DerHntr]

Really? So you haven't noticed that the majority of the public has wanted to pull the troops out of the Middle East for like the past 7-8 years? No kid should have to go die over political ********.

Uhhh ... (1) I'm pretty sure pulling out of the middle east and (2) not allowing 18-20 year olds decide to join up because they don't make smart decisions are not the same discussion.

 

[HD6]

As opposed to what it is now.

 

[seshomoru]

Those kids over there in camo are idiots.

/jackie in nam