Jemele Hill suspended by ESPN
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Here is the wolf crying again. White America is not as racist as black America these days. It is a small amount now compared to the past but, the left needs it to remain for votes. They continue to push what really is not the problem because they need to change this country to their socialist agenda. Problem is, this guy ^^^^^^^^and people like him are either too dumb to see it or, realize they would not be where they are today without that crutch.
I sure as hell don’t want blacks or anyone else to endure police brutality. It is wrong and it does happen. But to focus on that and completely ignore the epidemic of black on black violence is the equivalent of going to the doctor to have a splinter removed while ignoring the fact you have brain cancer. It’s lunacy.
Often repeated phrase but never going to happen when any disagreement is labeled racist. We are going backward due to hot take hysterics. That is a major problem in all debate but moreso in race discussions. No reasonable voices leading b/c that is not how you get attention (and money).
Yes, the danger/damage of white people tuning out or being frustrated instead of looking at ways to help.
That gets completely swept under the rug. And everytime someone voices their concern about the issue, typically a republican/conservative, they get labeled as blind to the true oppression taking place in this country.
I don't disagree with that at all, but all sides have to be willing to go out of their comfort zone a bit and have enough respect to allow the process to happen. Too many people think they understand what it's like to be on the opposing side, when if you've never been on the opposing side you really can't. Every race is responsible and every race is capable of helping make things better. It's not really as hard as a lot of people make it out, it just takes time, patience, understanding and an open mind. The world will never be a perfect place, but it can at least be made into a better place.
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ESPN has a long history of being a tough place to work with rigid rules. Not sure why this suspension is so surprising. Olbermann left a long time ago in a dispute, and he's as liberal as it gets. Bottom line, you follow the rules, or you find someplace else to work.
She shouldn't be telling people to boycott anything and just do her job, which is to talk about sports.
Freedom means you have an ability to do something. Free means without cost. So yes they have the freedom to say or do whatever they want but it may have some form of costs therefore it is not free. The cost in your example is losing a job and for the players it's the loss of respect from many fans.
I agree there a problem with Black on Black crime in the inner cities but can we look at the conditions of the inner city that creates the mentality that life isn't important. The poor schools, lack of Kobe and that's systemic. Someone mentioned the family dynamic and since the inception of this country the Black family was under attack with countless families broken up by slave masters. Nobody is saying that White America is responsible for every I'll that plagues Black America but Ehite America isn't absolved from all of Black Americas problems. And while there are other issues racism exist in America. That doesn't mean everyone is racist or that even the majority of people are racist but we can't act like nobody is racist either. And if someone looked up the amount of murders in America most aren't committed by Blacks!!!! (I just said that because of the numbers quoted in an earlier post)
But that still doesn't prevent them from their right to free speech. Just because ESPN fires her or suspends her doesn't mean she can't still freely voice her opinion. They are just preventing her from doing it on their network, which would be them excercising the same right. You go into restaurant and say their food sucks, that may refuse to serve you or ask you to leave, they still can't prevent you from saying the food sucks. That's free speech.
Only epic douches use a missed letter, especially when the apostrophe was there as an attack. Congratulations.
My God man, what you're arguing is nonsense. Based in what you're saying, no one can have their free speech limited unless their ability to speak has been taken.
It's akin to saying murder isn't illegal because I can go murder someone and then be arrested. But I was still able to do it.
FREE SPEECH MEANS PROTECTION AGAINST CONSEQUENCES. get it through your head. IT DOES NOT MEAN THE ABILITY TO SPEAK. Jesus touching Christ.
Man, that fatass sure is oppressed.
You might want to look at statistics of fatherless black children. It hasn't always been this way.
Annnd there is a partial confession and some progress. All you want to do is confront. You've offered zero solutions. All you have done is insult people you disagree with, questioned their intellect and character, and shown that you really want no solutions - you benefit far more by staying steeped in victimhood and distrust of others. You keep calling everyone who disagrees with you "white" this or "white" that - showing that you consider race first and foremost. You, like Jemile, can evaluate an entire person just based on that.
I'm sure I am also ignorant to the REAL (and every changing) definition of racism... therefore I have no valid opinion on the subject - right? And I am guessing a "recognition and confrontation" of the problem would be pretty one-sided otherwise you would not agree with it - and if I disagreed I would be blind to my racism... Same song second verse.
Quickly - growing up in a very racially tense North Carolina and very racially tense schools - I was shaken down daily for money by a group of black guys, bullied mercilessly - and I got the sh*t beat out of me to intimidate me off of teams (BBall and track) to eliminate the competition because I was better than some/most. I have every reason to thus be racist I guess, but I found that two of my best friends in school were black guys (they played tennis with me and were rejected by their own for playing a "white" sport (at that time). So - I choose to treat/view people based on their character and actions - not the wrapping paper over their muscle tissue. No offense intended, but we ALL have life experiences of bias and unfairness... so please be part of the solution by getting over yourself.
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You called me stupid while not being able to proofread your own post. Don't get all butt hurt because you failed. You've done it again in this latest post with the word in, which you obviously meant to be on. If you're going to feebly attempt to diminish someone else because you lack the overall intelligence to have a discussion, at least don't misspell and leave out letters in the process. Just makes you look less than intelligent.
Murder is against the law and sure isn't protected in the first amendment. Did you honestly not know that? She won't be breaking any laws or getting locked up for having an opinion. That's free speech. The second amendment grants you the right to own a gun, but you still have to pay for the gun, or acquire it legally in some manner and license it. There is a cost, but you still have the right to it. Unless of course your right was revoked because of legal action.
What you're arguing is because there are consequences it's not really free. Which isn't at all accurate. You're still free to have an opinion and speak it either way. If you're talking to someone and they disagree with you and leave the discussion are they preventing your right to free speech?
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Note, I never called him stupid. I could careless if people misspell or use incorrect grammar. I realize most people are typing on phones and iPads these days which make it more difficult. Just don't call someone stupid, dumb, ignorant, etc... while doing it.
I don’t think that would work. At least it didn’t during WW2 with Japanese Americans.
Actually the percentages of black males committing crimes, unemployed etc are much higher than any other ethnic group are crystal clear. For example, lame argument that there are more whites than blacks on welfare means nothing since the white population is vastly bigger than the black population. The percentage of blacks on welfare is higher than the percentage of whites on welfare. So raw numbers are bogus. The percentage of populations involved truly reflect the issues at hand.
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This was long overdue, Hill is a perfect example of a pampered liberal who has a platform and thinks they can use it with utter disregard for any potential consequences.
More often than not, those who wish others to rally 'round the "oppressed minority" flag are the very ones who are the most racist. Not all, but quite a bit.
Give these liberals stone cold FACTS, and they scatter to find a clever new way to alter the dynamics of the conversation, you know, the one they CLAIM to want about race in this country, yet it almost always turns into a bash Whitey primal scream,heard 'Round the Horn.
Yes, black on black crime is far and away the biggest issue they COULD be focusing on, yet they refuse to tackle such a huge issue.....why?
Yes, the incredible lack of black fathers, being actual fathers, is another HUGE issue that COULD be a rallying point for these liberals, yet once again they run away from such an issue....why?
Blacks can't see they're being manipulated by the liberals of the Democrat party, and it will NEVER change until black Americans decide they want to help their own. We can all help, I will help, but working on such politically sensitive issues will not go over well with the liberals, as they have a long and storied history of keeping not just the inner city blacks, but anyone who is in the unfortunate situation of living in poverty.
Don't you think by now the "do gooder" liberals would have been clamoring to find solutions to these issues? Open your eyes folks, see the left for what it really is; it isn't designed to help the poor of ANY color, they have an agenda, and that agenda is NOT to help you.
Racists come in all colors, always have, always will. It's different now because it's perfectly fine to attack white people, you know, because we ALL have it so good; we're just living the dream I tell ya. Where do you find that white privilege? I could sure as hell use a little bit of it right at the moment.
Stop allowing ourselves to be divided! They seek to divide us, and they're succeeding in doing just that.
Someone called J. Hill "African American; I'm curious, where and what country in Africa did she come from? When did she arrive in America? When did she become an American citizen?
You get my drift; she's an AMERICAN, not AM. It's another way they use to divide us, but some refuse to see it.
We can all get along, we can, but not if we allow ourselves to be divided like this.
ESPN can die a slow death as far as I'm concerned; I refuse to listen to left wing lunacy on a sports network.
Stepping off my podium now.....Peace, WW.
More often than not, those who wish others to rally 'round the "oppressed minority" flag are the very ones who are the most racist. Not all, but quite a bit.
Give these liberals stone cold FACTS, and they scatter to find a clever new way to alter the dynamics of the conversation, you know, the one they CLAIM to want about race in this country, yet it almost always turns into a bash Whitey primal scream,heard 'Round the Horn.
Yes, black on black crime is far and away the biggest issue they COULD be focusing on, yet they refuse to tackle such a huge issue.....why?
Yes, the incredible lack of black fathers, being actual fathers, is another HUGE issue that COULD be a rallying point for these liberals, yet once again they run away from such an issue....why?
Blacks can't see they're being manipulated by the liberals of the Democrat party, and it will NEVER change until black Americans decide they want to help their own. We can all help, I will help, but working on such politically sensitive issues will not go over well with the liberals, as they have a long and storied history of keeping not just the inner city blacks, but anyone who is in the unfortunate situation of living in poverty.
Don't you think by now the "do gooder" liberals would have been clamoring to find solutions to these issues? Open your eyes folks, see the left for what it really is; it isn't designed to help the poor of ANY color, they have an agenda, and that agenda is NOT to help you.
Racists come in all colors, always have, always will. It's different now because it's perfectly fine to attack white people, you know, because we ALL have it so good; we're just living the dream I tell ya. Where do you find that white privilege? I could sure as hell use a little bit of it right at the moment.
Stop allowing ourselves to be divided! They seek to divide us, and they're succeeding in doing just that.
Someone called J. Hill "African American; I'm curious, where and what country in Africa did she come from? When did she arrive in America? When did she become an American citizen?
You get my drift; she's an AMERICAN, not AM. It's another way they use to divide us, but some refuse to see it.
We can all get along, we can, but not if we allow ourselves to be divided like this.
ESPN can die a slow death as far as I'm concerned; I refuse to listen to left wing lunacy on a sports network.
Stepping off my podium now.....Peace, WW.
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They need an excuse and he gave one. It is always the same message. Own up to your mistakes, learn from them and drive on.
7 pages already? I see the snowflakes got triggered again. Got to be politically correct when it comes to patriotism. In the land of the free, you better not commit sacrilege against the national icons!
Look at the data and stop ignoring the facts. It's not about raw numbers, it's the percentages that matter.
Look up black education and crime statistics from 1965. Correlate that data with the family structure and work your way to today. You'll come to find that liberal policies and promotion of single households are the driving force. It's in the f'n data.
Unless you're ideological and refuse to hold white liberals accountable for the mess they've helped create?
The snowflake just showed up late to the party. Bitching about those bitching about those bitching about nothing while being paid big.
You are obviously too stupid to understand anything.
and for the record, I just switched to a note8 from. Apple and am getting used to the keyboard.. Like I said, only epic douche bags who have no valid argument use that as a talking point l, especially when it is clearly typo and nothing to do with actually knowing how to spell. I made one above, but I figure ill let you get your panties twisted over it.
You're so stupid that you dont understand the concept of free speech and how it related to the analogy I gave. No one can be stopped from saying, thinking or doing anything they wish. The concept of free speech isnt that you can do it, it's that you won't face consequences from the government.
I have free jaywalking. Free over eating. Free whatever the hell I want according to you. No one can stop me from murder(your words) but I will face consequences SO THEREFORE I DON'T HAVE "FREE MURDER"
IT'S NOT THAT HARD OF A CONCEPT TO GRASP, FOR NON DUMB ASSES
HAHAHA, LMAO. Again you've called me dumb, while making multiple spelling and grammatical mistakes, again. You also said you only made one! I counted 6 in your first paragraph alone and 8 overall. Is counting also an issue for you? :joy:
So does typing on a different device limit your ability to proofread on that device? Maybe consider getting something you can actually manage to operate and not let it operate you. The fact that you have to resort to name calling proves you have no argument and are obviously very insecure about that and getting very frustrated by it, which I am greatly enjoying.
Did you honestly just say "The concept of free speech isnt that you can do it, it's that you won't face consequences from the government." :joy: You get that is exactly what free is right? The only things you can't do are say something that entices violence, panic or defames someone else. Other than that, you can say what you want and the government, nor anyone else can take that from you. A consequence isn't taking away your right to speak.
Her boss can't lock her up for it or take her away her right to it just because they fire her. She can hop on twitter and keep right on speaking. They are limiting her ability to do her job, not her speech. Which by the way, she was hired to report and give her opinion on sporting matters. Last time I checked, Jerry Jones and the Cowboys were a sports team and owner. Why should she not talk about that? Just because you don't like it or agree with it?
Of course you can't stop someone from murder (or jaywalking) unless you know they were planning it ahead of time. However, you fail to comprehend that murder is illegal and isn't protected by the constitution. And what the hell is "free murder"? :joy: If you kill someone and get caught you go to jail and lose your freedom, again because that is ILLEGAL. Free speech is LEGAL, which you just literally pointed out in your post. If you go into a Burger King and they won't serve you food, does that mean they took away your right to eat? Of course not. You can go to McDonald's or anywhere else you choose.It's the exact same with free speech. If someone doesn't listen to you speak, they haven't taken that right form you, they have just decided not to listen anymore. And, btw, overeating (not over eating) is your right as well. Have you not looked around at the obesity level in the country? Obviously that's very much a protected right.
Where did I say you had freedom to do whatever you wanted? Could you point that out for me? Of course, not. You'll just go on some juvenile rant attacking someone else and calling them stupid, ignorant etc..., while either not being able to type or proofread. I'll let you decide which it is.
I'll sit and await the next error plagued retort.
opcorn:LOL for real this keyboard is something else
Whenever I use a contraction it cuts the last effing letter off... Or if I touch the whole word to keep it from doing it, it erases the whole God dang word.. If I could create a hybrid apple/Samsung I would be fricken rich *****
HAHAHA, LMAO. Again you've called me dumb, while making multiple spelling and grammatical mistakes, again. You also said you only made one! I counted 6 in your first paragraph alone and 8 overall. Is counting also an issue for you? :joy:
So does typing on a different device limit your ability to proofread on that device? Maybe consider getting something you can actually manage to operate and not let it operate you. The fact that you have to resort to name calling proves you have no argument and are obviously very insecure about that and getting very frustrated by it, which I am greatly enjoying.
Did you honestly just say "The concept of free speech isnt that you can do it, it's that you won't face consequences from the government." :joy: You get that is exactly what free is right? The only things you can't do are say something that entices violence, panic or defames someone else. Other than that, you can say what you want and the government, nor anyone else can take that from you. A consequence isn't taking away your right to speak.
Her boss can't lock her up for it or take her away her right to it just because they fire her. She can hop on twitter and keep right on speaking. They are limiting her ability to do her job, not her speech. Which by the way, she was hired to report and give her opinion on sporting matters. Last time I checked, Jerry Jones and the Cowboys were a sports team and owner. Why should she not talk about that? Just because you don't like it or agree with it?
Of course you can't stop someone from murder (or jaywalking) unless you know they were planning it ahead of time. However, you fail to comprehend that murder is illegal and isn't protected by the constitution. And what the hell is "free murder"? :joy: If you kill someone and get caught you go to jail and lose your freedom, again because that is ILLEGAL. Free speech is LEGAL, which you just literally pointed out in your post. If you go into a Burger King and they won't serve you food, does that mean they took away your right to eat? Of course not. You can go to McDonald's or anywhere else you choose.It's the exact same with free speech. If someone doesn't listen to you speak, they haven't taken that right form you, they have just decided not to listen anymore. And, btw, overeating (not over eating) is your right as well. Have you not looked around at the obesity level in the country? Obviously that's very much a protected right.
Where did I say you had freedom to do whatever you wanted? Could you point that out for me? Of course, not. You'll just go on some juvenile rant attacking someone else and calling them stupid, ignorant etc..., while either not being able to type or proofread. I'll let you decide which it is.
I'll sit and await the next error plagued retort.
You'e literally too stupid to understand I am using things you say and adding them to other hypotheticals and making you argue against your own points. No, I don' waste time proofreading an internet forum post. Keep on keeping on. You won' get replys anymore from me. You can't fix stupid.. And I won't fix the errors above, honey.
when I mentioned MSNBC, I was implying I think she is thinking the long game here.
Jemele Hill believes she could be a better Rachel Maddow than Rachel Maddow and I'm sure MSNBC would love to add a strong , experienced woman of color to the lineup who has a following that isn't concerned with what she says but the reaction of the people who oppose her. There is serious money waiting for her at MSNBC. She just needs to make one more move for sympathy at the expense of ESPN to get the payoff.