Well he;s not a RS frosh. But I agree, his game mgmt abilities are lacking. The opposite has been the knock on him, that he is just a game manager, and the high completion % on short routes speaks to that a bit, but way too many errors, from not stickng the ball in the RB's bread basket, to throwing the ball off the back foot, to throwing ball up for grabs, and now last night's end game blunder, for the game manager label to have any merit.
Just curious - how far can't Laviano throw now?
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You are so right, only idiots would complain about a QB who completed 2/3rd of his passes for 3 TDS and 0 INTS.
Maybe because the rest of his games have been definitely a lot worse than 3 tds and 0 ints.
New poll topic-- Less civilized- The Middle east or this message board?
for those who are so stat driven and ready to defend CL...at the end of the day the only stat that matters is the W-L record. He is 1-3
Was my post uncivilized?
To an extent, Carroo was on the losing team too last night, but no one is saying he should be benched.
But the losses can't keep piling up. At some point a change will need to be made.
I don't think Laviano is terrible, just not a QB who is going to lead a team to A.) A comeback win when we're down or B.) be able to pull off close wins like last night. He's a game manager through and through but even that comes into question when he can't remember what down it is.
That being said, nothing was more telling about what other team's defenses think of Laviano than that last drive. MSU safeties were what, maybe 15 yds off the line? I might have missed it, but they didn't play a prevent or deep coverage once that last drive that I saw. So they either trust their ability to close on any deep ball that was thrown knowing it wouldn't get their quick, or just realized he couldn't actually throw the ball that deep.
That being said, nothing was more telling about what other team's defenses think of Laviano than that last drive. MSU safeties were what, maybe 15 yds off the line? I might have missed it, but they didn't play a prevent or deep coverage once that last drive that I saw. So they either trust their ability to close on any deep ball that was thrown knowing it wouldn't get their quick, or just realized he couldn't actually throw the ball that deep.
Are you like 11 years old that you can simplify Football to that level? RU played toe to toe against the #4 Team who has a very good defense. RU lost because it's defense was ultimately not able to stop the MSU passing game. I am curious to see Rettig as almost everyone else - but to denigrate this kid's performance yesterday is plain stupidity
This board beat up Nova so badly and now it's Laviano turn. They have to turn to someone other than the coach.
no, i was referring to those who can't just disagree with other viewpoint, they immediately go for the "loser, idiot" card or simply told to shut up.
We're here to be fans, and debate the ups and downs.
That 1st TD to Carroo was an absolute bullet thrown into a very small window. It was a big time throw in every sense of the word to anyone who wants to view it fairly.
You have to believe if Cook, Hack, or Barrett had thrown it the "fans" here would be lamenting the fact RU can't do it.
wow.. again not reading any of the prior posts, not taking any of the context, and immediately acting like a child by name calling.
Please let me understand something while we continue to debate or beat this dead horse topic to death. If the Pro laviano camp can continue to justify him by throwing out stats about his great completion percentage, thats smart and ok? But if I use a win loss record, also a statistic, that makes me stupid and 11 years old? My god guys who are we as a fan base?
it absolutely was a great throw. But consider that it was only one throw. Lets not lose perspective either way over one throw.
You cannot judge a new qb not even half way into the season too harshly. He's inexperienced. At the same time you cannot evaluate him only by his best game and his best throws. The jury is still out. Perhaps the msu game showed that he is growing as a qb.
I agree with this... and let's just hope the staff is right about CL and that hes the right guy to grow with moreso than HR
But It goes directly to those who continue to say he doesn't have arm strength.
We saw Nova make the same type throw over the past 4 years because, as many have long said, he had a very strong arm. CL isn't Nova in that regard but may throw a better short ball.
I guess what I'm saying is arm strength is more than how far you can throw. It's being able to dial it up when necessary.
1) I don't know where the coaching staff stands on CL ability to throw the deep ball. But apparently CL doesn't have the confidence in the rest of the receiving corps (sans Caroo).
2) If short passes and dump-offs had some more zip, we'd have much better YAC stats.
3) Even among the pro-Laviano crew, the INTs, fumbles (particularly in the game situations they were in) and game decisions must give you pause.
4) Cook's completion % was much poorer than CLs. But look at the yardage. Who would you rather have?
5) Rettig didn't play in the PSU game because KF wanted no part of a QB controversy. He's picked CL, says he's sticking with him regardless. If Rettig had a good appearance against PSU, all hell would break loose.
6) Ignore the name-calling posters. Many of us have. They've run out of ideas.
2) If short passes and dump-offs had some more zip, we'd have much better YAC stats.
3) Even among the pro-Laviano crew, the INTs, fumbles (particularly in the game situations they were in) and game decisions must give you pause.
4) Cook's completion % was much poorer than CLs. But look at the yardage. Who would you rather have?
5) Rettig didn't play in the PSU game because KF wanted no part of a QB controversy. He's picked CL, says he's sticking with him regardless. If Rettig had a good appearance against PSU, all hell would break loose.
6) Ignore the name-calling posters. Many of us have. They've run out of ideas.
4) Cook's completion % was much poorer than CLs. But look at the yardage. Who would you rather have?
Cook threw the ball 12 more times or basically 50% more passes than Laviano, he should have more yardage.
In this game Laviano a 1st year starter had a 176 Passer rating, Cook a 5th year senior starting his 3rd year had a 151 passer rating!
Don't let facts get in your way of making a point.
Cook threw the ball 12 more times or basically 50% more passes than Laviano, he should have more yardage.
In this game Laviano a 1st year starter had a 176 Passer rating, Cook a 5th year senior starting his 3rd year had a 151 passer rating!
Don't let facts get in your way of making a point.
Here's a fact. Cook won the game.
With accuracy, about 10-15 yards. The "50 yard" throw to Carroo was seriously under thrown and would have been an easy pick if the MSU player wasn't falling down. Sorry.
ha, a thread that tries to prove a point but absolutely disregards the reality of the play.
watch the replay
watch the replay
It's not that he is unfairly criticized. If there was no Rettig in the program, none of the criticism would exist.
I've watched it a couple dozen times.
You guys who are trying to hang Laviano on the basis of that pass REALLY need to find something else to ***** about.
The "reality of the play" is that Carroo had to make a 1 step adjustment while the ball was in the air. A ball that went, as I said, 50 yards through the air.
Go ahead and keep whining, though.
hahahahahaha. do you even realize the hypocrisy of your statement? you made an entire thread based on the argument of one throw. then you pull a fit when people argue that that one throw was not that impressive. lol
No he's saying that pass was not an example of a weak arm throw. No hypocrisy.
Here's another stat:
Laviano threw a TD pass every 8 passing attempts yesterday. 25 passes and 3 TDS 0 INTs.
Cook threw a TD pass every 19 passing attempts yesterday. 38 passes and 2 TDS.
Cook also threw an INT in the end zone, if Laviano did that people would be bashing him. You people are so anti Laviano that you will refuse to accept what a good job he did.
The 50yd TD pass was 1 yd underthrown, if you watched the Cinci V Seattle game today Russell Wilson had a wide open WR on the left sideline and underthrew a 40yd pass so badly that the WR basically had to come to a complete stop. Does Wilson have a weak arm? NO sometimes QBs under throw, sometime overthrow and sometimes throw a perfect pass. Laviano's pass was no where near 'seriously under thrown'!
You have to believe that if you gave people Laviano's stat line before the season and asked if it would be acceptable for a first time starter they would have taken it. A few too many INTs but he is young and a couple of those were Hail Mary's.
I'm just not sure what people were expecting, as for me I'm shocked we're getting g QB play at this level. I would have expected worse. We certainly saw much worse in our past few QBs when they were first starting, or in their second years.
I'm just not sure what people were expecting, as for me I'm shocked we're getting g QB play at this level. I would have expected worse. We certainly saw much worse in our past few QBs when they were first starting, or in their second years.
Laviano lacks the arm strength to thread the needle. Something that is needed to pick apart zone defenses and something that would have moved the ball down field on the MSU prevent D on the last drive. We are playing with a hand tied behind our back.
Not saying anything but Carroo's adjustment was stopping as he could have blown by the defender. It was only 1 yard under as Carroo adjusted
Pretty much, yes. W/L is a team stat. A QB can have a bad game and the team can win or a great game and the team can lose. Completion percentage is an individual measure....part of thre stats that indicate a.QB's passing efficiency.
Laviano had a very good game against a superior defense/team. It does not mean he is the greatest.....but failing to acknowledge the obvious as some are doing in this thread is just trolling an agenda.