Just poach USC and be done with it

Plum Street

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This is high stakes big time business . Time for the BIG to just poach USC and whatever friends they want to bring to the party . No reason to be nice Or waste time with alliances when the SEC and ESPN are sharks circling the shores .
Nice guys finish last and any “alliance” is about as good as the starks-Bolton’s alliance in GOT
 

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This is high stakes big time business . Time for the BIG to just poach USC and whatever friends they want to bring to the party . No reason to be nice Or waste time with alliances when the SEC and ESPN are sharks circling the shores .
Nice guys finish last and any “alliance” is about as good as the starks-Bolton’s alliance in GOT
IMO USC, like Notre Dame....doesn't have any "friends".

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This is high stakes big time business . Time for the BIG to just poach USC and whatever friends they want to bring to the party . No reason to be nice Or waste time with alliances when the SEC and ESPN are sharks circling the shores .
Nice guys finish last and any “alliance” is about as good as the starks-Bolton’s alliance in GOT
Didn’t you just say Big10 should merge with SEC?
 

Section124

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Why would USC want to join a conference where all their teams would need to travel 1500-3000 miles. And the B1G doesn’t have certain sports (ex. Water polo). Sometimes you need to be a cultural fit. That is where Oklahoma and Texas make sense for the SEC. They are into most of the same sports as the SEC.
 

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Why would USC want to join a conference where all their teams would need to travel 1500-3000 miles. And the B1G doesn’t have certain sports (ex. Water polo). Sometimes you need to be a cultural fit. That is where Oklahoma and Texas make sense for the SEC. They are into most of the same sports as the SEC.
They would come in as a block of 4-6 wear coast teams. Scheduling could be more regional for the Olympic sports. Overrated as an issue if those are the best available schools. Certainly not better by settling for Kansas or Iowa State
 
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Section124

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They would come in as a block of 4-6 wear coast teams. Scheduling could be more regional for the Olympic sports. Overrated as an issue if those are the best available schools. Certainly not better by settling for Kansas or Iowa State
I agree that bringing a bloc of team would be better, but this thread is just about bringing on USC. I would rather do the alliance than add anyone at this point.
 

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Sometimes you need to be a cultural fit. That is where Oklahoma and Texas make sense for the SEC.
The only thing that matters is Football and making $. THAT is why they are a good fit.
NOTHING else matters.

Definitely not water polo or track or gymnastics.
 

Plum Street

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I agree that bringing a bloc of team would be better, but this thread is just about bringing on USC. I would rather do the alliance than add anyone at this point.
No this thread is about bringing in usc and whoever else they want to bring with them
 

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USC has friends, the USC friends are UCLA and the two Arizona schools. I have tried to explain the relationship to some on this board but they just can't grasp that Arizona and Southern California are joined at the hip in more ways than just the universities. USC even threatened to leave the PAC if the Arizona schools were not admitted back in the day.

"Young (UCLA Chancellor) had given their blessings to the potential expansion at the September meeting and that, as a result, he and USC felt double-crossed. Young then told us that Hubbard had stated, loudly, that if Washington and Stanford voted ‘no’ on the proposal, then USC would announce to the assembled press downstairs that, instead of the Pac-8 expanding with an invitation to UA and ASU, USC was instead providing public notice that it would be withdrawing immediately as a member of the Pac-8. Young told J.D., Doug, and I that everyone had turned white in the meeting room and a recess was called.

Young turned to the three of us and asked “What should we do, if Jack does this?” And I remember that J.D. replied without a moment’s hesitation, “Chuck, you will stand next to Jack Hubbard and say that UCLA is joining USC in withdrawing from the Pac-8 also.” I was gulping, thinking that those guys in the media room had no clue as to the blockbuster announcement that might be forthcoming."

The Arizona schools are coming along with any B1G expansion out West, period, not even a worthy of discussion.

 

WhiteBus

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I agree that bringing a bloc of team would be better, but this thread is just about bringing on USC. I would rather do the alliance than add anyone at this point.
Bringing a block of them is the problem! Only USC can provide the extra income to support their piece of the pie. The rest will take away money from the current schools payout.
 

Section124

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Bringing a block of them is the problem! Only USC can provide the extra income to support their piece of the pie. The rest will take away money from the current schools payout.
I think I heard that Phoenix just beat out Philadelphia to be the 5th largest TV market. That brings big revenue to the B1G. Adding the #2 and #5 markets is huge.
 

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I agree that bringing a bloc of team would be better, but this thread is just about bringing on USC. I would rather do the alliance than add anyone at this point.
USC alone doesn't work. What is the point of discussing that.
 

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Phoenix is like Miami. People don't care.
Having lived in that area for many years, people in Arizona care deeply about those two schools. The rivalry between the two schools is especially important among the natives. For the longest time the state didn't have a professional sports team outside the Suns, those programs filled the gap, especially in football. When the Cardinals finally did arrive they stunk.
 
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WhiteBus

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Having lived in that area for many years, people in Arizona care deeply about those two schools. The rivalry between the two schools is especially important among the natives. For the longest time the state didn't have a professional sports team outside the Suns, those programs filled the gap, especially in football. When the Cardinals finally did arrive they stunk.
Really? Poor attendance and TV ratings say otherwise
 

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This is high stakes big time business . Time for the BIG to just poach USC and whatever friends they want to bring to the party . No reason to be nice Or waste time with alliances when the SEC and ESPN are sharks circling the shores .
Nice guys finish last and any “alliance” is about as good as the starks-Bolton’s alliance in GOT
Do t think USC would consider coming to the Big Ten
 

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If you tell USC that the Big10 is either taking USC, UCLA, Berkley and Stanford, or they are taking North Carolina, UCLA, Berkley and Stanford, you bet your *** USC would not stay with the sinking ship.
 

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If you tell USC that the Big10 is either taking USC, UCLA, Berkley and Stanford, or they are taking North Carolina, UCLA, Berkley and Stanford, you bet your *** USC would not stay with the sinking ship.
Except NC is not available
 

PSAL_Hoops

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What about an all in alliance with the PAC12 with a built in clause that works something like a “right of first refusal” in a real estate transaction. We agree to help try to build their conference up - in exchange, their teams all agree that if they ever moved conferences it would have to be to the BIG if we’re interested?
 

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What about an all in alliance with the PAC12 with a built in clause that works something like a “right of first refusal” in a real estate transaction. We agree to help try to build their conference up - in exchange, their teams all agree that if they ever moved conferences it would have to be to the BIG if we’re interested?
Why do you feel an alliance is preferable to simply taking 4-6 of the best teams in the Pac 12 outright? Yes, an alliance can help with inventory, but for every USC vs Ohio State you get, you also get an Ohio State vs. Washington State, which I am not sure moves the needle much for us. With an alliance, you get it all, like it or not. Not too mention, why leave anything to chance going forward? Who knows how an alliance plays out or how enforceable any of it would really be. Good luck trying to control and coordinate the interests of 40 teams crossing 3 independent conferences, each with their own self-interests in mind. Control our own destiny now while we can. The B1G needs to focus on making sure it maintains relevance along the lines of the SEC as the second 'superconference'. Propping up the ACC or Pac 12 should not be a goal unless it is clearly in our best interests as well. I don't see how this is
 
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I would prefer merging with Pac-12 in its entirety than an alliance. You have to run the numbers though to see if it makes sense.
 

Letitrip

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I think the US military had an “alliance” with the Afghan military. How did that work out The B1G must say no to any alliance. They always hurt the stronger member by watering down the product. Pick two to four teams from the PAC and be done with it.
 
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When does the SEC decide to jettison Vanderbilt and Miss. State in order to bring in more lofty high profile football programs so they can truly be comprised of only football factory schools? After all, isn't that why everyone loves college football? So they can be dedicated to a 30 Team Football factory conference owned by ESPN that essentially mimic's the NFL?
 

WhiteBus

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Here's the question. Does USC want to make at least $20 mil more per year on their TV contract? You bet your *** they do.
The question is USC even relevant in football anymore?? One conference championship since 2008. Only 2 top 10 rankings since Pete left.
 
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FastMJ

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Can someone explain why the Texas situation creates any urgency for the Big Ten to do "something"?
 

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The question is USC even relevant in football anymore?? One conference championship since 2008. Only 2 top 10 rankings since Pete left.
Of course they are. They are one of the handful of ultra elite properties out there (Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC, and Texas). They also bring the LA market. USC is a worthy addition to any conference. The better question is who can get their attention more.
 
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USC is definitely worthy, anything you could say about them is probably similar for Texas as far results since the end of Mack Brown's tenure. Exposure in other time zones would help them too.
 

WhiteBus

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Of course they are. They are one of the handful of ultra elite properties out there (Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC, and Texas). They also bring the LA market. USC is a worthy addition to any conference. The better question is who can get their attention more.
Are they? Their TV ratings are terrible and that is what it is all about. Will the Big Ten be able to to increase viewership there enough to pay their way?