Kids Covid Vaccine

[Blue_2_the_bone_rivals]

My fiancé HAD to take it for her RN program. She didn’t want to take it because neither of us felt like we would get very sick from the virus if we caught it naturally.

she used everything in her power to get me to take it with her and I eventually folded and took the moderna with her. I was sick as **** for two days I couldn’t hardly move. No way that virus would have made me that sick.

first and last career vaccination (as an adult)

you guys considering vaccinated your children under 12 years old….how sick do you think the virus would make them compared to that stupid ****ing shot?

I have two close work friends who got the vaccine and it made them more sick than when they actually had the virus. They only took 1 dose and didn’t take the second. Not sure why they wanted it after already having covid. Another friend in our group never had Covid and the shot didn’t make him sick at all.

 

[John Henry]

I was out of state for a couple of weeks and was shocked at the fear in people. I saw people wearing masks while driving their car. I saw masks indoors, I saw mask wearers in restaurants. WTH

 

[vhcat70]

dp???

 

[CatOfDaVille]

A number of them seize & scream on the "experimental" vaccine point. That's why I can't wait for the full approval to cut the legs out from under that position. In practice of course it makes zero difference & expect 99% of holdouts will put out other excuses to not vax.

What's funnier to me is the same people who won't get vaxxed because it's not fully approved have no issue accepting treatments that fall into the same "emergency auhorized" category. Zero consistency.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

What's funnier to me is the same people who won't get vaxxed because it's not fully approved have no issue accepting treatments that fall into the same "emergency auhorized" category. Zero consistency.

Or take CBD oil.

 

[pitinoshairplugs]

My fiancé HAD to take it for her RN program. She didn’t want to take it because neither of us felt like we would get very sick from the virus if we caught it naturally.

she used everything in her power to get me to take it with her and I eventually folded and took the moderna with her. I was sick as **** for two days I couldn’t hardly move. No way that virus would have made me that sick.

first and last career vaccination (as an adult)

you guys considering vaccinated your children under 12 years old….how sick do you think the virus would make them compared to that stupid ****ing shot?

so you’re mad because the vaccine worked. Got it

 

[pitinoshairplugs]

Again.

“I’m not scared of the virus, im not wearing a mask”

same person. “Im scared of the vaccine”.

ps: I haven’t worn a mask since I got vaccinated

 

[gracetoyou]

I agree with the premise...however, there is really no evidence that the vaccine is tracking us, harming us, causing us to grown horns or feathers.

The unvaccinated could harm the vaccinated by causing mass shutdowns again. The simple fact is less than half the country is vaccinated. That still leaves plenty enough people to get sick and shut the country down again.

My argument is not based on the vaccine causing harm; however, it has caused myocarditis in young adults & adolescents:

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

My argument is against what you stated. Your post implies that vaccinated people are not getting COVID, nor transmitting it. That's simply not true & is well documented. In fact the Delta variant is infecting many of the vaccinated.

Again the vaccine will not eliminate COVID nor has the pharmaceutical companies ever claimed that. It simply reduces a vaccinated person's risk of severe illness. That's it.

1. So if the vaccinated can get & transmit COVID, then the unvaccinated are not the culprit.

2. Since the vaccinated are getting & transmitting COVID then the unvaccinated are not posing a threat to them anymore than the vaccinated pose a threat to the unvaccinated.

3. Since the vaccine does not elimate COVID & carries more of a personal benefit than societal benefit why would there even be a talk of mandating anyone?

**I believe the vaccine has great value for individuals to prevent developing severe sickness from COVID. But we need to correct the publics perception of what it can & cannot do without the fear of someone choosing to not get it. If they don't get it, they only could "potentially" hurt themselves.

 

[pitinoshairplugs]

My argument is not based on the vaccine causing harm; however, it has caused myocarditis in young adults & adolescents:

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

My argument is against what you stated. Your post implies that vaccinated people are not getting COVID, nor transmitting it. That's simply not true & is well documented. In fact the Delta variant is infecting many of the vaccinated.

Again the vaccine will not eliminate COVID nor has the pharmaceutical companies ever claimed that. It simply reduces a vaccinated person's risk of severe illness. That's it.

1. So if the vaccinated can get & transmit COVID, then the unvaccinated are not the culprit.

2. Since the vaccinated are getting & transmitting COVID then the unvaccinated are not posing a threat to them anymore than the vaccinated pose a threat to the unvaccinated.

3. Since the vaccine does not elimate COVID & carries more of a personal benefit than societal benefit why would there even be a talk of mandating anyone?

**I believe the vaccine has great value for individuals to prevent developing severe sickness from COVID. But we need to correct the publics perception of what it can & cannot do without the fear of someone choosing to not get it. If they don't get it, they only could "potentially" hurt themselves.

the virus causes more myocarditis in young people than the vaccine.

same with gbs. The risks associated with the virus are the same with the virus. Gbs/myocarditis etc…. They’re just more likely with the actual virus.

#1. They might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. Because somebody can still the virus if vaccinated thr unvaccinated can’t be the reason for spread? What?

#2. This might be theSecond dumbest thing I’ve ever read. you are wrong. The virus absolutely does limit transmission. Countries with the highest vaccination rates prove that.

#3 is really dumb too. No societal benefit? Keeping hospitals from overcrowd doesn’t benefit society?

wait, are you being sarcastic?




Now that you can protect yourself there is no
reason to worry about the virus anymore.

 

[HagginHall1999]

My argument is not based on the vaccine causing harm; however, it has caused myocarditis in young adults & adolescents:

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

My argument is against what you stated. Your post implies that vaccinated people are not getting COVID, nor transmitting it. That's simply not true & is well documented. In fact the Delta variant is infecting many of the vaccinated.

Again the vaccine will not eliminate COVID nor has the pharmaceutical companies ever claimed that. It simply reduces a vaccinated person's risk of severe illness. That's it.

1. So if the vaccinated can get & transmit COVID, then the unvaccinated are not the culprit.

2. Since the vaccinated are getting & transmitting COVID then the unvaccinated are not posing a threat to them anymore than the vaccinated pose a threat to the unvaccinated.

3. Since the vaccine does not elimate COVID & carries more of a personal benefit than societal benefit why would there even be a talk of mandating anyone?

**I believe the vaccine has great value for individuals to prevent developing severe sickness from COVID. But we need to correct the publics perception of what it can & cannot do without the fear of someone choosing to not get it. If they don't get it, they only could "potentially" hurt themselves.

I heard on the radio the other day that California stats for COVID positive for vaccinated were 2/100k. For non-vaccinated it was 14/100k.

The chances of one getting COVID while vaccinated are slim....while they are slim even when non-vaccinated the above shows 7x greater probability of contracting COVID with no vax in California.

Broken down by CA state pop the 14/100k equates to 5558 non-vax vs 2/100k or 794 infections for vaccinated folks.

My point is not about whether a vaccinated person can catch or spread but that the likelihood of doing so as compared to a non-vax person is significant. They are also far less likely to be seriously I'll, require hospitalization or die while vaccinated.

If everyone got this vaccine COVID would for all intents and purposes be over with/done/gone. That is just a simple fact. People aren't getting it and for states like CA that have a huge population the regulations are kicking back in.

 

[SDC8888]

They are not slim.

They are mucking the data by going back to before vaccine rollout. Recent data is all that matters. Vaccine efficacy, particularly with regards to developing symptomatic illness that is more transmissible, is waning.

There is significant spread occurring from the vaccinated.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-sixty-people-single-weekend-Los-Angeles.html

 

[gracetoyou]

What's left out is those who've had covid & and aren't vaxxed. They're better off than those vaxxed, right? Why aren't those numbers discussed/considered?

According to the largest peer-reviewed study about that, they certainly have antibodies & great t-cell response that lasts for at least 8 months & possibly much longer. The study was conducted 8 months into pandemic & published at the end of JAN:

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19

The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.

www.nih.gov

I'm simply making arguments about why we do not need to mandate without going to that butbits a massive, valid point.

 

[gracetoyou]

I heard on the radio the other day that California stats for COVID positive for vaccinated were 2/100k. For non-vaccinated it was 14/100k.

The chances of one getting COVID while vaccinated are slim....while they are slim even when non-vaccinated the above shows 7x greater probability of contracting COVID with no vax in California.

Broken down by CA state pop the 14/100k equates to 5558 non-vax vs 2/100k or 794 infections for vaccinated folks.

My point is not about whether a vaccinated person can catch or spread but that the likelihood of doing so as compared to a non-vax person is significant. They are also far less likely to be seriously I'll, require hospitalization or die while vaccinated.

If everyone got this vaccine COVID would for all intents and purposes be over with/done/gone. That is just a simple fact. People aren't getting it and for states like CA that have a huge population the regulations are kicking back in.

Bro, did you miss an entire airplane of fully vaccinated Democratic lawmakers from Texas & half if them contracted COVID?

It was reported yesterday that among fully vaccinated 5,000+ have been hospitalized in the U.S. & over 1,000 have died. That means many more have been infected & did not get very sick.

I'm sorry but the argument just does not stand against the facts.

https://www.vox.com/22575227/covid-19-post-vaccine-breakthrough-infection-cases

Again, the vaccinated are still less likely to get severely sick but still can.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html

"There is some evidence that vaccination may make illness less severe in people who get vaccinated but still get sick. Despite this, some fully vaccinated people will still be hospitalized and die. However, fully vaccinated people are much less likely to be hospitalized or die than people with similar risk factors who are not vaccinated."

 

[HagginHall1999]

They are not slim.

They are mucking the data by going back to before vaccine rollout. Recent data is all that matters. Vaccine efficacy, particularly with regards to developing symptomatic illness that is more transmissible, is waning.

There is significant spread occurring from the vaccinated.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-sixty-people-single-weekend-Los-Angeles.html

They are slim to say otherwise is irresponsible.

 

[HagginHall1999]

Bro, did you miss an entire airplane of fully vaccinated Democratic lawmakers from Texas & half if them contracted COVID?

It was reported yesterday that among fully vaccinated 5,000+ have been hospitalized in the U.S. & over 1,000 have died. That means many more have been infected & did not get very sick.

I'm sorry but the argument just does not stand against the facts.

https://www.vox.com/22575227/covid-19-post-vaccine-breakthrough-infection-cases

Again, the vaccinated are still less likely to get severely sick but still can.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html

"There is some evidence that vaccination may make illness less severe in people who get vaccinated but still get sick. Despite this, some fully vaccinated people will still be hospitalized and die. However, fully vaccinated people are much less likely to be hospitalized or die than people with similar risk factors who are not vaccinated."

Bro, those stats are the definition of slim.

162m vaccinated...assume your stats are accurate.

5000 hospitalizations, .00003 of a percent

1000 deaths, .000006 of a percent

What argument doesn't stand now???

 

[pitinoshairplugs]

Bro, did you miss an entire airplane of fully vaccinated Democratic lawmakers from Texas & half if them contracted COVID?

It was reported yesterday that among fully vaccinated 5,000+ have been hospitalized in the U.S. & over 1,000 have died. That means many more have been infected & did not get very sick.

I'm sorry but the argument just does not stand against the facts.

https://www.vox.com/22575227/covid-19-post-vaccine-breakthrough-infection-cases

Again, the vaccinated are still less likely to get severely sick but still can.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html

"There is some evidence that vaccination may make illness less severe in people who get vaccinated but still get sick. Despite this, some fully vaccinated people will still be hospitalized and die. However, fully vaccinated people are much less likely to be hospitalized or die than people with similar risk factors who are not vaccinated."

lol. “Half”

6 have tested positive.

all have incredibly mild or no symptoms. Consider that several have risk factors. Again. It proves the vaccines work.

 

[SDC8888]

They are slim to say otherwise is irresponsible.

No, the irresponsible ones are the ones who told you that.

 

[pitinoshairplugs]

No, the irresponsible ones are the ones who told you that.

Wrong. The vaccines are turning this into the flu. No symptoms or maybe the sniffles.

this is over when this wave is finished. The young who haven’t had Covid are who are driving the cases. Once they get to herd immunity this will become a situation similar to the flu.

 

[HagginHall1999]

No, the irresponsible ones are the ones who told you that.

Lol, the ones that told me I'd be much more likely to not get sick from taking the vaccine? Which is unequivocally accurate? I am not sure what this cat/mouse game is.

If you take the vaccine you are much less likely to get COVID and much less likely to get sick from COVID. That is the whole point.

I'm not sure what your point is.

 

[SDC8888]

Wrong. The vaccines are turning this into the flu. No symptoms or maybe the sniffles.

this is over when this wave is finished. The young who haven’t had Covid are who are driving the cases. Once they get to herd immunity this will become a situation similar to the flu.

I hope you are right, and that's what I thought would happen too when they were touting 95% efficacy, but what's happened in Israel are symptomatic cases.

That means they are spreaders.

Lol, the ones that told me I'd be much more likely to not get sick from taking the vaccine? Which is unequivocally accurate? I am not sure what this cat/mouse game is.

If you take the vaccine you are much less likely to get COVID and much less likely to get sick from COVID. That is the whole point.

I'm not sure what your point is.

The point is if you do get sick, you should still take it seriously and get tested, not that the vaccine doesn't lessen your chance of serious Covid.

Because it does, but you aren't immune with slim chances of symptoms.

 

[HagginHall1999]

The point is if you do get sick, you should still take it seriously and get tested, not that the vaccine doesn't lessen your chance of serious Covid.

Yeah that is great and I agree. It doesn't change my initial point in this discussion (I don't think you even responded to that) which is my concern is the non-vaccinated being at risk, flooding hospitals and the country shutting down. Mask mandates are coming back and it is a shame because it could truly be avoided if people just took the vaccine.

 

[pitinoshairplugs]

I hope you are right, and that's what I thought would happen too when they were touting 95% efficacy, but what's happened in Israel are symptomatic cases.

That means they are spreaders.


The point is if you do get sick, you should still take it seriously and get tested, not that the vaccine doesn't lessen your chance of serious Covid.

Because it does, but you aren't immune with slim chances of symptoms.

have you tracked the actual cases in Israel?

they’re having an increase but it’s tiny.
Further. The stats are proving that the efficacy estimates were accurate. They’re at about 10% of the cases from their peak despite being wide open. Again, it proves the vaccines work.


Here’s that overlaid with the mass. Cases.

 

[SDC8888]

I'm not saying that the vaccines don't work, rather it remains to be seen as to what duration.

You can't make the claims you (plural) are making, yet. I suspect in the coming weeks and months, I will be proven right, though I hope to be wrong.

 

[pitinoshairplugs]

I'm not saying that the vaccines don't work, rather it remains to be seen as to what duration.

You can't make the claims you (plural) are making, yet. I suspect in the coming weeks and months, I will be proven right, though I hope to be wrong.

Proven right about what? You haven’t made a point yet

 

[SDC8888]

The chances of you getting symptomatic covid as a vaccinated individual in the coming months will not be slim.

 

[pitinoshairplugs]

The chances of you getting symptomatic covid as a vaccinated individual in the coming months will not be slim.

slim compared to what?

compared to not vaccinated and never had Covid? Lol.

we will have booster shots by October/November.

 

[bushrod1965]

That's the teachers' unions control over the CDC & Biden.

Teacher’s ’unions control, LOL, that’s golden. Trust me, if the teacher’s unions had that much control, teachers wouldn’t have starting salaries of $35,000 a year, be constantly fighting to keep their retirement benefits, and have some control over their working conditions and curriculum.

 

[SDC8888]

slim compared to what?

compared to not vaccinated and never had Covid? Lol.

we will have booster shots by October/November.

No, it's still likely your biannual booster shot will afford you better protection than not, all things being equal.

 

[gracetoyou]

the virus causes more myocarditis in young people than the vaccine.

same with gbs. The risks associated with the virus are the same with the virus. Gbs/myocarditis etc…. They’re just more likely with the actual virus.

#1. They might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. Because somebody can still the virus if vaccinated thr unvaccinated can’t be the reason for spread? What?

#2. This might be theSecond dumbest thing I’ve ever read. you are wrong. The virus absolutely does limit transmission. Countries with the highest vaccination rates prove that.

#3 is really dumb too. No societal benefit? Keeping hospitals from overcrowd doesn’t benefit society?

wait, are you being sarcastic?




Now that you can protect yourself there is no
reason to worry about the virus anymore.

1. The vaccinated are spreading it as well.

2. I said several pages ago that the vaccination increases one's chances of not getting COVID, which is the only way it slows transmission. But once a vaccinated person gets COVID the vaccine does NOT slow transmission.

3. On societal benefit, that's a good point; however, most folks do not get sick enough to need to be hospitalized, but I certainly agree with you.


Again...I'm growing weary...the argument is about mandating & specifically children. I'M NOT AN ANTI-COVID VACCINE guy...ugh. There is benefit to the vaccine but considering what the vaccine does there's ZERO reason to mandate...especially children. It would be the most moronic, brainless stupidity in the history of medicine. It's flatout child abuse!

 

[gracetoyou]

Bro, those stats are the definition of slim.

162m vaccinated...assume your stats are accurate.

5000 hospitalizations, .00003 of a percent

1000 deaths, .000006 of a percent

What argument doesn't stand now???

Who said they were not slim? They do not have to be massive numbers to feed the argument I'm making. I'm not even sure you even know what the argument is. You've jumped in & think I'm arguing against the vaccination. Good grief!

5,000 plus hospitalized is a small percentage but think about how many vaccinated folks are getting COVID & transmitting COVID. Latest data is showing there is a much higher percentage of breakthrough cases than previously thought. So, yea...let's be stupid & mandate it for children.

 

[pitinoshairplugs]

1. The vaccinated are spreading it as well.

2. I said several pages ago that the vaccination increases one's chances of not getting COVID, which is the only way it slows transmission. But once a vaccinated person gets COVID the vaccine does NOT slow transmission.

3. On societal benefit, that's a good point; however, most folks do not get sick enough to need to be hospitalized, but I certainly agree with you.


Again...I'm growing weary...the argument is about mandating & specifically children. I'M NOT AN ANTI-COVID VACCINE guy...ugh. There is benefit to the vaccine but considering what the vaccine does there's ZERO reason to mandate...especially children. It would be the most moronic, brainless stupidity in the history of medicine. It's flatout child abuse!

your point #2 still Makes no sense.

and nobody is suggesting (in this thread) a mandate on kids getting The vaccine. In the future, maybe, but right now. No.

 

[HagginHall1999]

Who said they were not slim? They do not have to be massive numbers to feed the argument I'm making. I'm not even sure you even know what the argument is. You've jumped in & think I'm arguing against the vaccination. Good grief!

5,000 plus hospitalized is a small percentage but think about how many vaccinated folks are getting COVID & transmitting COVID. Latest data is showing there is a much higher percentage of breakthrough cases than previously thought. So, yea...let's be stupid & mandate it for children.

I wouldn't give it to my kids, heck no. Not now...don't believe it is necessary.

I didn't jump in...this is a message board. I agreed with your premise in my initial post...go back and read it. You responded to me and then back/forth.

We should probably just stop debating...we are never going to meet in the middle with the stuff about how many vaccinated people are transmitting COVID...it is completely out there.

If the unvaccinated got vaccinated then anyone transmitting would be much less likely to get someone else sick.

It is as if you think the vaccinated people are causing the issue...very strange.

 

[SDC8888]

If the vaccinated are running around with symptomatic Covid thinking it's just some other common cold virus because the radio told them the vaccinated were immune, then they could be a significant, if not the primary, vector of transmission.

 

[gracetoyou]

your point #2 still Makes no sense.

and nobody is suggesting (in this thread) a mandate on kids getting The vaccine. In the future, maybe, but right now. No.

That's what the original thread is about....mandating vaccinating children. Unless something drastically changes with COVID there will NEVER be a need for that.

On my #2:

How does it not make since in the context of mandates? If the vaccinated are getting & transmitting COVID it would be stupid to mandate for anyone.

If the vaccine totally prevented people from getting COVID & transmitting then there could be a valid discussion of considering a mandate...not saying do it but a discussion would be justified. I mean then we're talking about the possibility of eliminating COVID. That's not possible with the current vaccine.

At this point the discussion is NOT justified.

 

[gracetoyou]

If the vaccinated are running around with symptomatic Covid thinking it's just some other common cold virus because the radio told them the vaccinated were immune, then they could be a significant, if not the primary, vector of transmission.

Oh it's occurring. The Democrat lawmakers from Texas would've never suspected COVID if the first person had decided to not test. Ends up bring half the plane.

 

[HagginHall1999]

If the vaccinated are running around with symptomatic Covid thinking it's just some other common cold virus because the radio told them the vaccinated were immune, then they could be a significant, if not the primary, vector of transmission.

So the vaccinated are hurting the unvaccinated? I've heard it all now.

 

[gracetoyou]

So the vaccinated are hurting the unvaccinated? I've heard it all now.

If you mean that an infected vaccinated person can transmit COVID to an unvaccinated then yes., that's occurring.

I certainly would not say the vaccinated are the culprit. That's not true at all.

 

[thabigbluenation]

99.7...... First of all. Ppl who have had the virus..healthy and had no problems. Survived. And now have the antibodies. Had no issues with it. These overlords want them to get the vaccine? Younglings....an entire demographic that has Had an almost zero effect from this virus....your overlords want them to get injected? The next gen up also not affected they want to get injected? They want everyone injected. Regardless of risks?.

None of you naysayers dare to ask why? If you have, according to all stats, almost no risk to this "disease", or have had it, beat it, with little to no problems, have all the antibodies, and your govt still says you need to still get injected, and you guys don't ask why?

What is wrong with you ppl?

You can be healthy, young, have had it, beat it, have the antibodies for it, have zero risk statistically speaking, and they still want you to be injected. To obtain your liberties... You need to have this injected into you in order to travel or get a social passport? To live your life? You must have a govt mandated injection even tho you have zero risk of this virus and there are any of you questioning this?

Are you ******* serious?

Hand over your life and liberties. But not me. **** You.

 

[HagginHall1999]

99.7...... First of all. Ppl who have had the virus..healthy and had no problems. Survived. And now have the antibodies. Had no issues with it. These overlords want them to get the vaccine? Younglings....an entire demographic that has Had an almost zero effect from this virus....your overlords want them to get injected? The next gen up also not affected they want to get injected? They want everyone injected. Regardless of risks?.

None of you naysayers dare to ask why? If you have, according to all stats, almost no risk to this "disease", or have had it, beat it, with little to no problems, have all the antibodies, and your govt still says you need to still get injected, and you guys don't ask why?

What is wrong with you ppl?

You can be healthy, young, have had it, beat it, have the antibodies for it, have zero risk statistically speaking, and they still want you to be injected. To obtain your liberties... You need to have this injected into you in order to travel or get a social passport? To live your life? You must have a govt mandated injection even tho you have zero risk of this virus and there are any of you questioning this?

Are you ****ing serious?

Hand over your life and liberties. But not me. **** You.

Hahahahahahaha. "Obtain your liberties"...man thanks for the laughs this is classic.

 

[Crums Bald Spot]

Wrong. The vaccines are turning this into the flu. No symptoms or maybe the sniffles.

this is over when this wave is finished. The young who haven’t had Covid are who are driving the cases. Once they get to herd immunity this will become a situation similar to the flu.

Do you realize for 99.7% of the population prior to the vaccine it was also the flu?