Kids Covid Vaccine

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A tremendous number of government and private policies affecting kids are based on one number: 335. That is how many children under 18 have died with a Covid diagnosis code in their record, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Yet the CDC, which has 21,000 employees, hasn’t researched each death to find out whether Covid caused it or if it involved a pre-existing medical condition.

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You realize that many people including kids have pre-existing conditions. In fact 41% of the population falls into one or more of the co-morbidly conditions.
As with the “whether COVID caused it or…” you need to ask yourself…without COVID would they have died? Also, how will you feel if your child is #336? …or they “just” have to spend a week or two in the ICU?

One of the big anti-vax radio guys here locally has spent the last 2+ weeks in the ICU with COVID. The COVID has allowed pneumonia to sit into his lungs. So if he dies…he still isn’t out of the woods…did he die of COVID or pneumonia?

His brother speaking below…

"The politics needs to be taken out of this thing. This is a public health situation," Mark Valentine said. "The defining number for me is 97 percent of the people in the hospital with COVID right now are unvaccinated. So that's where the discussion needs to end because that's the fact so go get the doggone vaccination."

https://www.wsmv.com/news/family-of...cle_a9f98038-ee63-11eb-8692-c72f6782292e.html

 

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It's NOT THE SAME!! And you can get excemptions for any vaccine. I'm not an anti-Vaccination person but we really need to pause & know what this vaccine is for.

1. Does the vaccine prevent everyone from getting & transmitting COVID? No!

2. Will it eliminate COVID if everyone gets it? No!

3. Do unvaccinated people pose a risk to vaccinated? No!

4. So is this vaccine worthless? NOOO!!! It drastically prevents those who get it from serious illness if they get COVID.


**No reason to mandate...especially in children.

I’m going to ask that you do a little research… what % of current COVID cases are vaccinated vs unvaccinated? You say it doesn’t stop people from getting COVID … yet since January there have been 14 million new cases, 5915 of those cases have been with vaccinated individuals.
No, it isn’t 100% effective in preventing infection but it damn sure does lower the odds…by a lot!
So yes, if everybody got on board it would effectively end the pandemic in the US.

 

[Bill Derington]

I’m going to ask that you do a little research… what % of current COVID cases are vaccinated vs unvaccinated? You say it doesn’t stop people from getting COVID … yet since January there have been 14 million new cases, 5915 of those cases have been with vaccinated individuals.
No, it isn’t 100% effective in preventing infection but it damn sure does lower the odds…by a lot!
So yes, if everybody got on board it would effectively end the pandemic in the US.

Half of the Democrats on the plane from Texas tested positive, only 1 wasn't vaccinated. If you believe that only 5915 vaccinated people have gotten covid since January you're high.

 

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My fiancé HAD to take it for her RN program. She didn’t want to take it because neither of us felt like we would get very sick from the virus if we caught it naturally.

she used everything in her power to get me to take it with her and I eventually folded and took the moderna with her. I was sick as **** for two days I couldn’t hardly move. No way that virus would have made me that sick.

first and last career vaccination (as an adult)

you guys considering vaccinated your children under 12 years old….how sick do you think the virus would make them compared to that stupid ****ing shot?

Perhaps it is telling you that it would have killed you had you gotten the real thing. Wife, my adult kids and their spouses, 3 of my grandkids ages 14-17, many friends and co-workers…a sore arm and maybe a little foggieness for a few hours the day after. Have spoken to one person who claims to have had an experience like yours.

Every single person I know who has had COVID has received the shot. Not heard any of them say that the shot was worse than the illness.

 

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Half of the Democrats on the plane from Texas tested positive, only 1 wasn't vaccinated. If you believe that only 5915 vaccinated people have gotten covid since January you're high.

Bill, you’re bad at math. 57 were on the plane, 6 have tested positive.

 

[Bill Derington]

Bill, you’re bad at math. 57 were on the plane, 6 have tested positive.

The point remains that your number of 9515 is absurd if 10% of a plane gets infected, and they had the vaccine.

Unless they weren't really infected, and they simply used it as an excuse to not go back.

 

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Oh it's occurring. The Democrat lawmakers from Texas would've never suspected COVID if the first person had decided to not test. Ends up bring half the plane.

6 is not half of 57.

 

[jwheat]

How the hell do you know how sick the virus would make you and how are you so over the top confident that that comment is not stupid as ****, WTF are you people even talking about anymore.

Because unless people are old or fat as **** for the most part they did okay with the virus. Guy that mows my lawn is 60 and within a healthy weight range but has copd, diabetes, high BP, and he continued to mow my yard while positive with the virus.

I guess what I’m saying is I trust my body and go **** yourself.

i took that **** to please someone other than myself and I’ve regretted it ever since. Im done wearing masks or social distancing and if anyone suggest I do so their opinion means as much as my lawn guys

 

[Ron Mehico]

Because unless people are old or fat as **** for the most part they did okay with the virus. Guy that mows my lawn is 60 and within a healthy weight range but has copd, diabetes, high BP, and he continued to mow my yard while positive with the virus.

I guess what I’m saying is I trust my body and go **** yourself.

i took that **** to please someone other than myself and I’ve regretted it ever since. Im done wearing masks or social distancing and if anyone suggest I do so their opinion means as much as my lawn guys

My coworker who is 34 and ridiculously off the charts healthy lost her sense of taste and smell for going on 9 months now and was bedridden with a fever for 2 weeks. My brother is an ICU physician and has treated multiple healthy people under 40. You being sick for 48hrs isn’t ****. Im right there with you being done with everything but just saying stupid **** and acting like it’s the gospel does no one any good. You have no damn clue what the virus would’ve done to you.

 

[jwheat]

My coworker who is 34 and ridiculously off the charts healthy lost her sense of taste and smell for going on 9 months now and was bedridden with a fever for 2 weeks. My brother is an ICU physician and has treated multiple healthy people under 40. You being sick for 48hrs isn’t ****. Im right there with you being done with everything but just saying stupid **** and acting like it’s the gospel does no one any good. You have no damn clue what the virus would’ve done to you.

I also have no clue that I will arrive safely to my destination every time I get In the truck but I trust my judgement and driving skills to get me there. Same thing with the virus for the most part.

There was a small chance I would have gotten sick from the virus. Hell there wasn’t a great chance I would even contract the virus. I never wore a mask or really socially distanced myself from the population. My fiancé works in the ER full time and any time there was a covid patient she was the one caring for them if she was on duty.
Personally I worry more about the people that think they are healthy because they got the shot than I am the ones who trust their body to beat the virus or help them not catch it at all

I get what you are saying though, Rob. Trust me. I’m not a Q anon or a MSNBC junkie. I’m just trying to make it to the top of the mountain without incarnating back to this **** hole again

 

[pitinoshairplugs]

Here is my question, if 115 million people had been infected in April that were actually tested, its probably safe to say another 30 million werent tested and had it then. Thats roughly half the country in April, add another 10-20 million since. Thats close to 200 million people, why isn't their immunity taken into account with the vaccines?

Either the tests weren't accurate, or including them into the vaccine totals improves the vaccine efficacy. If say 25% of the vaccinated previously had covid, they aren't going to be reinfected, it just seems like an unscientific way to push for vaccinations.

As of today Worldometerz say 95,000,000 have tested positive for Covid in the USA.

also, lots of people who had Covid are getting vaccinated. I’d bet 1/3 or more if the vaccines have gone to people who had already had Covid.

 

[Bill Derington]

As of today Worldometerz say 95,000,000 have tested positive for Covid in the USA.

also, lots of people who had Covid are getting vaccinated. I’d bet 1/3 or more if the vaccines have gone to people who had already had Covid.

Why? Those people will not get Covid again if the tests are accurate, with or without the vaccine.
The better messaging from the govt would be if you tested for antibodies you don’t need the vaccine, if you simply tested positive for Covid and showed no symptoms you probably should get it to be safe. If you never tested positive you’d be much safer getting the vaccine. The end.

 

[SophiesDad]

This has all been a fabrication of epic proportions especially considering the PCR tests (which were only avaliable under emergency use authorization) was never created to be used as a diagnostic tool. And if you’re going to use it in any kind of diagnostic setting, you cannot count anything as a positive above 28 cycles. It’s a shame Kary Mullis passed away in 2019 just before this nonsense kicked off. The tests were the key to lockdowns and the ensuing economic instability.

 

[Crums Bald Spot]

Given those numbers (5 million hospitalizations out of 115 million infections) and the relative risk based on age, people in their 40s who catch covid have about the same chance of ending up in the hospital as they do of rolling snake eyes on one roll of two dice. That's much worse odds than flu, and much worse odds than I'd choose to play with.

Everyone knows there are many, many more than 115 million cases. There are lots of people who had it and had no symptoms. There are a lot of people who had it and had minor symptoms but never got tested. Then you add in the deaths and hospitalizations attributed to covid incorrectly and you have a really bad flu.

But keep bringing that fear porn and feel free to continue to hide in your basement

 

[pitinoshairplugs]

Everyone knows there are many, many more than 115 million cases. There are lots of people who had it and had no symptoms. There are a lot of people who had it and had minor symptoms but never got tested. Then you add in the deaths and hospitalizations attributed to covid incorrectly and you have a really bad flu.

But keep bringing that fear porn and feel free to continue to hide in your basement

it’s probably around 175,000-200,0000 cases.

 

[gracetoyou]

I’m going to ask that you do a little research… what % of current COVID cases are vaccinated vs unvaccinated? You say it doesn’t stop people from getting COVID … yet since January there have been 14 million new cases, 5915 of those cases have been with vaccinated individuals.
No, it isn’t 100% effective in preventing infection but it damn sure does lower the odds…by a lot!
So yes, if everybody got on board it would effectively end the pandemic in the US.

Dude...those vaccinated getting COVID is exploding with Delta. Much, much more than 5,000 which was based on a report 4-5 weeks ago.

The vaccine will not end the pandemic. You can believe whatever fairytale you'd like but that's the truth. The vaccine has value in limiting severe illness & I'm certainly not anti-vaccine. But we cannot overplay the vaccine & mandate it. If the vaccine will not end the pandemic then the mandate talk is worthless.

The vaccine along with people getting COVID perhaps a 2nd time will lead to COVID losing its MOJO eventually as the human immune system keeps getting exposed.

The greatest danger lies with this who have never had COVID & are older or have other health issues.

 

[ganner918_rivals60369]

Dude...those vaccinated getting COVID is exploding with Delta. Much, much more than 5,000 which was based on a report 4-5 weeks ago.

The vaccine will not end the pandemic. You can believe whatever fairytale you'd like but that's the truth. The vaccine has value in limiting severe illness & I'm certainly not anti-vaccine. But we cannot overplay the vaccine & mandate it. If the vaccine will not end the pandemic then the mandate talk is worthless.

The vaccine along with people getting COVID perhaps a 2nd time will lead to COVID losing its MOJO eventually as the human immune system keeps getting exposed.

The greatest danger lies with this who have never had COVID & are older or have other health issues.

Vaccines won't eradicate covid, but even against Delta variant the vaccines are showing >80% effectiveness at preventing symptomatic disease. And even if those symptomatic with Delta are as contagious as unvaccinated people, we already know that asymptomatic cases aren't very transmissible. So if we're looking at an 80% reduction in transmissibility, then yes vaccines with end the pandemic. They move us to a world of endemic covid, where it still spreads but with many fewer cases along with the reduced severity of those cases.

Delta, though, looks like it quickly rips through the population and then quickly recedes, so we may be running up our immunity levels through infection in the places Delta is hitting. I'd expect the states not seeing this wave will have their own Delta wave in the fall that will be the last major wave of the pandemic. Luckily, most vulnerable people are vaccinated and there aren't nearly as many people with no immunity as there once was. I think we're pretty close to being at a post-pandemic, endemic disease level.