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NickRU714

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You're almost there.

There's a reason why they call a run first offense conservative. You're less likely to turn the ball over.

But it did turn it over.
It was so bad that not only was it unproductive but it also went against its core principle of less likely to turn the ball over.

But yet it was still a good idea to keep running it x3 more than a productive pass game?
 

sct1111

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But it did turn it over.
It was so bad that not only was it unproductive but it also went against its core principle of less likely to turn the ball over.

But yet it was still a good idea to keep running it x3 more than a productive pass game?
Yes we should totally have our 49% completion percentage QB drop back and throw it 75% of the time. Especially with their DLine that just runs around our severely limited and injured OLine. Gavin is just great when under pressure. PSU totally won't force Gavin to throw over the middle and into traffic. Gavin has such a great track record of making these types of plays.
 

NickRU714

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Yes we should totally have our 49% completion percentage QB drop back and throw it 75% of the time. Especially with their DLine that just runs around our severely limited and injured OLine. Gavin is just great when under pressure. PSU totally won't force Gavin to throw over the middle and into traffic. Gavin has such a great track record of making these types of plays.

Was Gavin 49% today?
I get - the staff should have a plan and stick to it no matter what. No actual in game analysis or adjustments.
Makes it pretty easy for the staff. Can line up the plays pregame and just run them in order.


We should totally have our conference leading rusher rush 16 times for 39 yards because we as great in other games but not this one and we even fumbled the ball on a handoff.
 

CERU00

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Take risks like have Gavin throw over the middle where he has like 90% of his picks and consistency overthrows his receivers?
Wait, is that you Kirk? You know we have more than 2 options right? A good oc comes up with plays that gain yards. Maybe Schiano is dictating to him, who knows.
 

RU#1fan

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Was Gavin 49% today?
I get - the staff should have a plan and stick to it no matter what. No actual in game analysis or adjustments.
Makes it pretty easy for the staff. Can line up the plays pregame and just run them in order.


We should totally have our conference leading rusher rush 16 times for 39 yards because we as great in other games but not this one and we even fumbled the ball on a handoff.
No but he is #78 with a QBR rating of 48.
Yikes
 

sct1111

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Was Gavin 49% today?
I get - the staff should have a plan and stick to it no matter what. No actual in game analysis or adjustments.
Makes it pretty easy for the staff. Can line up the plays pregame and just run them in order.


We should totally have our conference leading rusher rush 16 times for 39 yards because we as great in other games but not this one and we even fumbled the ball on a handoff.
Could it be that the coaches know their players better than you do? Clearly our best player on offense is Kyle Monangai. Or is it Gavin Wimsatt and our receiving core now because he made a few passes in the first half when PSU is clearly selling out for the run.
 

RU#1fan

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Today?

So because he was bad previously, when he starts out pretty good and our run game is horrific and turning the ball over we stick to the run game?
Maybe you have not been watching the last 24 starts by QB Wimsatt ?
The inconsistency and erratic passing accuracy is why he is at the bottom of FBS QB ratings.
 

NickRU714

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Maybe you have not been watching the last 24 starts by QB Wimsatt ?
The inconsistency and erratic passing accuracy is why he is at the bottom of FBS QB ratings.

So. Never said he wasn’t bad historically.

Was that happening today?
While the running game was running up the middle and turning the ball over - wasn’t the passing game picking up 1st down after 1st down?

So the plan is run the ball up the middle be damned.
Zero yards? Don’t matter.
Turnover? Don’t matter (only passing turnovers matter?)
Passing game picking up 1st downs?
Don’t matter.
 
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NickRU714

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Funny how “offense we need to win” and “the ball is the program” go out the window when passing it was productive and running it was tanking every drive.
 

sct1111

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Funny how “offense we need to win” and “the ball is the program” go out the window when passing it was productive and running it was tanking every drive.
Dude you're wrong just take the L. We're not winning with Gavin throwing. We've never had in the past even against ****** defenses.
 

Shelby65

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Take risks like have Gavin throw over the middle where he has like 90% of his picks and consistency overthrows his receivers?
Yes because 10% chance of a deep pass receptions is infinitely better than 0% of winning. The game plan is only to run clock and get back on the bus without giving up 45.

If the goal was to win, they’d be creative and agresssive.
 

sct1111

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Yes because 10% chance of a deep pass receptions is infinitely better than 0% of winning. The game plan is only to run clock and get back on the bus without giving up 45.

If the goal was to win, they’d be creative and agresssive.
10%?!

Shift the decimal point over a few times.
 

NickRU714

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Dude you're wrong just take the L. We're not winning with Gavin throwing. We've never had in the past even against ****** defenses.

Wrong. We just took the L forcing the run on the one occasion the pass was working.

Your argument would make a lot more sense if we literally didn’t have more passing yards than rushing yards despite nearly 3x more rushes than passes.
 
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csphi

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After today the offense is 123 of 130 teams .
Last in completion percentage
2nd to last in yards
Hasnt scored a TD in over 3 games
And that’s not embarrassing??????

Your right absolutely nonsense.

😂 we wonder we are so bad with fans like you
Because the overall picture Einstein is that we are improving as a team and going to a bowl

Drama Queen
 
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RUTGERS95

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Yes because 10% chance of a deep pass receptions is infinitely better than 0% of winning. The game plan is only to run clock and get back on the bus without giving up 45.

If the goal was to win, they’d be creative and agresssive.
can't argue with these people at all. They don't understand the basics of this game

To argue with a person who renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. ~ Thomas Paine
 

csphi

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you ain't bright
So says the guy who has an internet stuttering problem literally repeating the same thing on thread after thread

I’m not bright for saying the team for saying the team isn’t improving?

Well….if I’m not bright….then you must be flat out retarded
 
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RUTGERS95

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After today the offense is 123 of 130 teams .
Last in completion percentage
2nd to last in yards
Hasnt scored a TD in over 3 games
And that’s not embarrassing??????

Your right absolutely nonsense.

😂 we wonder we are so bad with fans like you
imagine our running game and finishing in the bottom 10 on offense

need a new qb, a new philosophy and or a new OC. I was not happy with KC hire, got bashed but after year 1, ouch
 

RUShea

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Could it be that the coaches know their players better than you do? Clearly our best player on offense is Kyle Monangai. Or is it Gavin Wimsatt and our receiving core now because he made a few passes in the first half when PSU is clearly selling out for the run.
When they're selling out for the run is exactly when you should throw. Maybe they'll ease up on selling out for the run.
 

csphi

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Pounding the ball between the tackles against a stacked box is not a recipe for success. Oh but I forgot Coach Schiano said we run the ball, that's who we are.
Guess you’ve never seen KC’s offense over the years? SMH
 

NickRU714

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Pounding the ball between the tackles against a stacked box is not a recipe for success. Oh but I forgot Coach Schiano said we run the ball, that's who we are.

Imagine we started a game 2-7 for 15 yards passing then threw and an INT?

Would we be throwing 1st 2nd and 3rd down the next series?
Of course not.
 

Joey Bags

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Guess you’ve never seen KC’s offense over the years? SMH
Kirk’s offensive production in the air and ground his first stint here was insane compared to now. I think the guy is just completely out to pasture now, similar syndrome our other OCs come down with.
 

zappaa

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Pounding the ball between the tackles against a stacked box is not a recipe for success. Oh but I forgot Coach Schiano said we run the ball, that's who we are.
Relying on the run game against a defense like PSU makes the obvious passing downs it creates very difficult on Gavin,
It’s why I don’t blame him.
The only way you run on PSU is to keep them off balance and confused
 

sct1111

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Relying on the run game against a defense like PSU makes the obvious passing downs it creates very difficult on Gavin,
It’s why I don’t blame him.
The only way you run on PSU is to keep them off balance and confused
Off balanced and confused? Michigan didn't even attempt a single pass in the second half last week. They ran the ball every single play.
 

csphi

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Kirk’s offensive production in the air and ground his first stint here was insane compared to now. I think the guy is just completely out to pasture now, similar syndrome our other OCs come down with.
So I guess you didn’t watch much Minnesota games when he was there

What he did the first time here and what he did with Minnesota are two different things
 

Ru-baby

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Yes we were overmatched. Yes gw threw well today.

BUT

Why can there be a few jet sweeps, or screens or figure a way to use rochelle who showed open field skills last year. Have we even run a trick play all year?

If overmatched there is more of a need to bridge the talent gap!
 
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sct1111

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We’re not Michigan
But our best player on offense is our RB by far. Best chance we had at beating them is if Monangai breaks a few. He didn't. We lost to a better team. It happens. We're not beating PSU with Gavin throwing it 30 times. He's not magically turning into Peyton Manning this week.
 

zappaa

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But our best player on offense is our RB by far. Best chance we had at beating them is if Monangai breaks a few. He didn't. We lost to a better team. It happens. We're not beating PSU with Gavin throwing it 30 times. He's not magically turning into Peyton Manning this week.
Lol
Our only success was Gavin throwing and running
We must throw to beat PSU.
Or do what we do and not score….again!!!!
 

CERU00

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That's crazy they're still going to a bowl game though. Sucks for you I guess. 🤷
Ok. We should just forfeit the remaining games as this season is already
So. Never said he wasn’t bad historically.

Was that happening today?
While the running game was running up the middle and turning the ball over - wasn’t the passing game picking up 1st down after 1st down?

So the plan is run the ball up the middle be damned.
Zero yards? Don’t matter.
Turnover? Don’t matter (only passing turnovers matter?)
Passing game picking up 1st downs?
Don’t matter.
Let me answer that.... " we're going to a bowl game, the season is already an amazing incredible success. Nothing else matters. And... how dare you say a negative word about our offense! ... don't you know we're going to a bowl?"
 

zappaa

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Ok. We should just forfeit the remaining games as this season is already

Let me answer that.... " we're going to a bowl game, the season is already an amazing incredible success. Nothing else matters. And... how dare you say a negative word about our offense! ... don't you know we're going to a bowl?"
These people are not football smart enough to know, the only way we upset a team like PSU is if Gavin is the MVP of the game.