Kodi's stats the last five games

[JxnDawg39211]

TEAMFG-FGA 3PT-3PTA REB FT-FTA
at Arkansas2-13 0-4106-7
LSU0-2 0-2 45-6
at Vandy 6-12 0-24 3-6
at Florida1-7 1-4 3 1-2
Ole Miss2-60-1 3 4-4

He is shooting 27.5% from the field, and 7% from the 3point line. He has made one 3 pointer in 13 attempts, and the one he made he banked it in at Florida. When does Rick finallytelltake him he cant shoot any more 3s, andtakes that privilege away from him?It seems he could thrive on getting offensive rebounds and second chance points, and driving to the basket more and getting to the foul line . He is not a bad free throw shooter.

 

[JxnDawg39211]

TEAMFG-FGA 3PT-3PTA REB FT-FTA
at Arkansas2-13 0-4106-7
LSU0-2 0-2 45-6
at Vandy 6-12 0-24 3-6
at Florida1-7 1-4 3 1-2
Ole Miss2-60-1 3 4-4

He is shooting 27.5% from the field, and 7% from the 3point line. He has made one 3 pointer in 13 attempts, and the one he made he banked it in at Florida. When does Rick finallytelltake him he cant shoot any more 3s, andtakes that privilege away from him?It seems he could thrive on getting offensive rebounds and second chance points, and driving to the basket more and getting to the foul line . He is not a bad free throw shooter.

 

[JxnDawg39211]

TEAMFG-FGA 3PT-3PTA REB FT-FTA
at Arkansas2-13 0-4106-7
LSU0-2 0-2 45-6
at Vandy 6-12 0-24 3-6
at Florida1-7 1-4 3 1-2
Ole Miss2-60-1 3 4-4

He is shooting 27.5% from the field, and 7% from the 3point line. He has made one 3 pointer in 13 attempts, and the one he made he banked it in at Florida. When does Rick finallytelltake him he cant shoot any more 3s, andtakes that privilege away from him?It seems he could thrive on getting offensive rebounds and second chance points, and driving to the basket more and getting to the foul line . He is not a bad free throw shooter.

 

[Coach34]

I agree that Kodi is in a funk shooting the basketball from 3 and has taken some bad shots. I'm sure he feels frustrated about it just as some of the others do that we are struggling to make shots. But let me ask you this-

Do you want Bost and Turner to stop shooting 3's as well? I ask this because:

Season 3pt shooting percentage:

Dee Bost- 31.6%
Phil Turner- 28.8%
Kodi Augustus- 35.6%

As bad as he has struggled lately, he still shoots it better than those two

How come many of you want Bost and Turner to keep shooting to get out of their "slump", but not Augustus- who shoots it better than they do?

 

[paindonthurt_]

Actually I do think Stansbury should tell him to quit shooting outside. He should make him camp out in the lane. Preferably at the free throw line area. Run a high low post game with he and Vanardo.

BUT that would require Stansbury to teach some resemblance of an offense.

 

[thunderclap]

from 19 feet-in instead of 19-feet out, he'd be a lot better player and we'd be a lot better team.

 

[Coach34]

Kodi making 3's would helpa hi-lo set with him and Jarvis. Gives them even more space to work with...

Kodi's problems, in my opinion looking from an obvious distance, are these:

a. he thinks he should be scoring 20 a night and is pressing to try and make that happen.
b. we dont have an actual offense for anybody to get a flow in, and this hurts him even more than some of the others
c. unlike Ravern who has finally accepted the fact he has to attak the basket to be successful, Kodi still isnt completely convinced he needs to be in the paint mixing it up more often.
d. we dont run any sets with him and Jarvis setting screens for each other inside to work for paint shots

 

[paindonthurt_]

But I think it is a combination of his fault and coaching. Good coaches can deal with, persuade, etc. players to do what they do best or what they want them to do.

Yes sometimes you have players who aren't coachable, but Stans seems to have a lot of them.

 

[Hanmudog]

Is that too obvious? No team should want their power forward jacking up very many threes. A couple here and there sure but it is to be expected that your guards are going to shoot more. As far as seeing only what we want to see.....all I want to see is Kodi make a damn shot every now and then and rebound more than he has been. It is not just the threes. He has not hit much of anything. On the plus side, he is the best free throw shooter on the team.

 

[Coach34]

the power forward position has changed as much as any. 6'8 players shoot 3's on a regular in today's game. Hell, Turner was our power forward last season.

 

[paindonthurt_]

If your shooting at the gym and start having trouble, you always move in and get a rhythm. Make some baskets. Build confidence.

As far as your comments.....

a. I agree
b. I agree
c. Ravern doesn't know how good he could be. Long. Athletic. Hops. Shooter. Not a great dribbler, but thats something he could easily improve on with practice. Kodie needs to camp out at the free throw line. Why? see D.
D. You are correct we don't run screens for them. We should. but a simple high low combo would work like this. kodi camped out b/t free throw line and top of key. Move ball around perimeter. Pass into low block to jarvis. 2 options: 1. take the wide open basket 2. if you arent wide open, make a strong move to draw double team. Kodi flashes the lane to the opposite low block. Jarvis dishes.

then again that would require players moving without the b ball. We could do so much more, but thats something simple that a 17ing high school player with a little b ball sense could come up with.

 

[VinceVega70]

1. I think we'd do better if all three of them (Bost, Turner, and Kodi) all attempted at most 1/2 as many 3 pt shots as they do. Maybe if we set up a half-court game and passed the ball around some, we'd get more high percentage shots and play better fundamentally. It's painful watching all three of them play undisciplined and make so many poor decisions beyond the three point arc.<div>2. Kodi hurts us two ways when he shoots 3s. First, he's not very good at it. Second, he's our 4. The guy who needs to be helping Jarvis rebound. The guy who should be getting those points in the paint that we need. His undisciplined shooting hurts more because it means he's out-of-position. It's a double whammy.</div><div>
</div><div>IMO, Kodi hurts us more than he helps as a starter. Ironically, in the long run we might have been a better team if Stans had dismissed him when he made that egregious error and publically insulted his coach. Undoubtedly, team chemistry and discipline would have only improved. It would have also forced the Lewis kid to develop faster and maybe Osby as well. I know we'd lose more initially, but we'd be playing 4's that understand their role on the team. Kodi does not know his place.</div>

 

[Coach34]

Dr Thunderclap in that he should play 19 feet in instead of 19 feet out. The fact that he can shoot the 3 should compliment his game, not be the focus of it

Nobody loves the 3 pointer more than I do, but it cant be the focus of your offense. Any good offense works inside-out, whether you have a good post player or not.

 

[ImHurtinLinda]

not freeing him from blame on the lack of players, but when there is zero threat to score in the paint and nearly zero ability to get free off of the dribble on your entire team, John Wooden isn't going to have an offense. i am BEGGING you to find another reason for Stansbury to suck, because this makes you and your boys look like idiots.<div>
</div><div>try this one.....he better get it in gear in recruiting, because I am tired of having 85% of our team that couldn't start for the upper half of this conference - he better get an assistant coach recruiter (like himself several years back) that is an animal on the recruiting circuit and bring some players in here that can score in the post and can take people off the dribble and get there own shots.....BEGGING you.</div>

 

[paindonthurt_]

A lot of mid major teams do it also.

The only time you need a "baller" is when you don't run an offense. If you have a baller who is just flat out better than everyone, then you just let him make plays. We dont have that, so therefore we need an offense that will give our "somewhat" untalented team better looks. We dont have that either though.

We don't have the talent as Kentucky and Tenn and Maybe Vandy, but we are damn sure more talented than 17 and 7.

 

[8dog]

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[Coach34]

projected this team and its returning players as one of the top 30 in the country even without Sidney, we will all disagree with you that we dont have players. </p>

Jarvis averages 13 points a game- that doesnt equal zreo threat in the paint. </p>

Bost is 6'2- Fla's PG is 5'11- how many times did we post him up and use our advantage? This is just an example of ways coaches can help their players get baskets inside</p>

 

[dawgstudent]

we would be a lot better. Develop that 15-18 ft jumper and get some low post presence and leave Jarvis to clean up your garbage. I think he has it in him to do that but he doesn't play with an ounce of intensity that Rhodes had. And his vertical is no more than 5 inches.

 

[8dog]

is to act like Varnado is retarded. He is not Elton Brand, but you can throw it in to him and he gives us a better chance to score than launching a terrible three. If Kodi would spend some time down there, that would be another post threat.

We won the other night, not b/c of 3s. We won b/c we shot 15 shots inside the arc in teh second half and made 12 of them.

 

[jcdawgman18]

Actually I do think Stansbury should tell him to quit shooting outside. He should make him camp out in the lane. Preferably at the free throw line area. Run a high low post game with he and Vanardo.

BUT that would require Stansbury to teach some resemblance of an offense.

and Kodi has screwed it up 95% of the times we've tried it by:<div>1) Not catching a chest pass</div><div>2) Traveling immediately</div><div>3) Immediately forcing a shot</div><div>4) Trying to drive and committing an offensive foul</div><div>5) Missing a wide open free throw line jumper</div><div>
</div><div>Whatever you say right now, Kodi is the bigger half of the issue. He simply does stupid things.

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[Johnson85]

...when there is zero threat to score in the paint and nearly zero ability to get free off of the dribble on your entire team, John Wooden isn't going to have an offense...
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I'm notparticularly aStansbury basher (I think he's limited but I'm not under any illusion thatwe'd haveeven a 50% chance of getting somebody equal or better to him if he was gone), butgoodoffensivecoaches teach their players to run an offense. It's more challenging when you don't have a post player that can demand adouble team, butit's also much more important. That's why you see the successful small schools and mid major schoolsrunning crisp offensive sets with lots of motion and picks. You have to haveto do that when your players can't createtheir own shot.

Andyou say we can't get free off the dribble, butwhile Bost the only player for which penetration could be a strength, just a mildly competent motion offense would make Ravern, Stewart, Kodi, and to a lesser extentPhil, all threats on the drive.

Installing an offense that puts our players in a position to be successful, and teaching players to execute on offense, simply isn't Stansbury's strength. Doesn't mean you have to think he should be fired, but you can't ignore that there are coacheswhodo teach offensive schemes, even when they don't have dominate players (and at many schools, teach offensive schemes for the very reason that the players lack theability to score without it).

 

[ImHurtinLinda]

I really like Jarvis Vanardo and glad that we have him on our team, but to say he is an offensive threat or a game changer in the paint is just ridiculous.<div>
</div><div>The 45% doesn't even take into account the 5 turnovers per game as a result of his lack of strength down there to catch the ball in traffic.</div><div>
</div><div>you guys just answer the question - - when stansbury has had better than average post players (not NBA caliber mind you), has he not had an offense?
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[8dog]

he has never really had much of an offense.

And I didn't say JV was a game changer. But to say we have no threat in the post is ridiculous. 45% is probably better than what we shoot from 3 without even looking.

 

[Rabid]

...when there is zero threat to score in the paint and nearly zero ability to get free off of the dribble on your entire team, John Wooden isn't going to have an offense...

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I'm notparticularly aStansbury basher (I think he's limited but I'm not under any illusion thatwe'd haveeven a 50% chance of getting somebody equal or better to him if he was gone), butgoodoffensivecoaches teach their players to run an offense. It's more challenging when you don't have a post player that can demand adouble team, butit's also much more important. That's why you see the successful small schools and mid major schoolsrunning crisp offensive sets with lots of motion and picks. You have to haveto do that when your players can't createtheir own shot.

Andyou say we can't get free off the dribble, butwhile Bost the only player for which penetration could be a strength, just a mildly competent motion offense would make Ravern, Stewart, Kodi, and to a lesser extentPhil, all threats on the drive.

Installing an offense that puts our players in a position to be successful, and teaching players to execute on offense, simply isn't Stansbury's strength. Doesn't mean you have to think he should be fired, but you can't ignore that there are coacheswhodo teach offensive schemes, even when they don't have dominate players (and at many schools, teach offensive schemes for the very reason that the players lack theability to score without it).

I'll just put our chance of getting an equal or better coach at 10% or less.

Otherwise, great post.

 

[paindonthurt_]

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[mstateglfr]

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</div><div>The 45% doesn't even take into account the 5 turnovers per game as a result of his lack of strength down there to catch the ball in traffic.</div>

Jarvis makes56.4% of his shots this year. He has NEVER made less thant 55% of his shots in any year he has been at MSU.

56.4% puts his at 87th in the entire nation of D1 players. 87th out of ALL D1 players. That is fantastic.

He turns it over 2 times per game, which i think is perfectly acceptable for a post player getting 30min/game.

As for times when he isnt able to catch the ball in traffic down in the post- part of that is his hands, sure. part of that is the terrible entry passes and angles our guards get it into him at. Terrible angles, really. And even when the angle is decent, the pass is quite often off target and he has to give up position to secure the pass. Now out of position, his options are once again limited more than they should be.

I cant believe a guy that averages a double double, shoots 56% from the field, is 2nd in the nation in blocks, and is 8th in the nation in rebounds gets so much **** from so many people. The guy averages an efficient double double and will soon have more blocks than anyone else in the record book! You really think thats worthy of ragging on?

 

[paindonthurt_]

My question is this: If things continue this way for say another year or 2, would you be willing to take that 30 to 40 percent chance? Right now, I would but I'd start it like this if I were the AD.

At the end of the season:
Ninja: Hey Rick.
Stans: Hello great one.
Ninja: Me and you need to decide who is leaving on your coaching staff. I'll do the dirty work, but we'll decide. Then You and I are going to make a list of candidates of whom you think you could work with and who are offensive minded guys. We are going to hire this person and you are going to let him teach your better than average but not great players how to run "said" offense.

Stans: Option 1. 17 you Ninja. I'm doing things my way or the highway.
Ninja: O.k. you have two years to...............(Ninja being all knowing and brilliant that he is comes up with a set of goals that he thinks we are capable of reaching. These goals include but most certainly ARE NOT limited to making the dance both years and winning the west)

Stans: Option 2. Oh great one, that is an excellent idea. When do we start.
Ninja: right now pal.

 

[shoeless joe]

agreed

 

[VegasDawg13]

not freeing him from blame on the lack of players, but when there is zero threat to score in the paint and nearly zero ability to get free off of the dribble on your entire team, John Wooden isn't going to have an offense. i am BEGGING you to find another reason for Stansbury to suck, because this makes you and your boys look like idiots.
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</div><div>try this one.....he better get it in gear in recruiting, because I am tired of having 85% of our team that couldn't start for the upper half of this conference - he better get an assistant coach recruiter (like himself several years back) that is an animal on the recruiting circuit and bring some players in here that can score in the post and can take people off the dribble and get there own shots.....BEGGING you.</div>

That's a really %%%$+#! stupid thing to say considering that we are part of the upper half of the conference.

 

[Rabid]

Using your numbers, that's a 60% - 70% chance we'll be worse off. That's completely unacceptable.

 

[OEMDawg]

suddenly the Recruiter has no talent to work with..priceless.<div>
</div><div>Sorry, but I don't buy your excuse. 1 thru 5, we are probably behind Tennessee and Kentucky talent wise. That's it. 85% of our team couldn't start on any other team in the weak *** SEC? Really?</div>

 

[OEMDawg]

Why is it that MSU fans always think that we can never hire a coach in any sport? We've held on to fossils in football and baseball and look what it got us. An even WORSE rebuilding situation.<div>
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[ImHurtinLinda]

charles rhodes shot >55% in conference play, and that includes 3pt shots and mid range jumpers - he was probably mid-high 60's around the rim where Jarvis does his ONLY work. don't know about mario austin or lawrence roberts or robert jackson, but I would imagine it is about the same.<div>
</div><div>I am not bashing Jarvis-his defense makes us a competitive team - I'm just stating that he is not a strength of our offense, and does not support an "inside-out" offense, and that, combined with guys that can't put the ball on the floor and get open shots on their own = an offense that struggles, especially when it misses wide open 3 point shots.</div><div>
</div><div>now-I'm going to Starkville for the game to watch Stansbury screw up our McDonald's All Americans - you boys hang around and convince yourself that we have top 25 talent.</div><div>
</div><div>remind me again of who all wanted our starting five (and first three off the bench) out of high school?</div>

 

[Rabid]

Why is it that MSU fans always think that we can never hire a coach in any sport? We've held on to fossils in football and baseball and look what it got us. An even WORSE rebuilding situation.<div>
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I didn't feel that way about our former baseball or football coaches.

Show me a coach that will come here and take our program to the next level. A better recruiter and a better Xs and Os coach. Show me that guy and we can fire Stans tomorrow. Not some mythical character that you haters hope, wish and dream of. Give me a real name and you won't have an argument from me.

I don't think finding such a coach for our basketball program is as easy as some of you do.

 

[Coach34]

Why is it that MSU fans always think that we can never hire a coach in any sport? We've held on to fossils in football and baseball and look what it got us. An even WORSE rebuilding situation.
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I didn't feel that way about our former baseball or football coaches.

Show me a coach that will come here and take our program to the next level. A better recruiter and a better Xs and Os coach. Show me that guy and we can fire Stans tomorrow. Not some mythical character that you haters hope, wish and dream of. Give me a real name and you won't have an argument from me.

I don't think finding such a coach for our basketball program is as easy as some of you do.

didnt think we could hire Dan Mullen away from Florida either...but there's no guarantee with any hire you make. If Stansbury doesnt make the Tourney this year and next, you cant tell me we cant hire someone that can do better than 2 NCAA Tourney's in 6 years. You just cant do it.

 

[SallyStansbury]

I agree with you 100%. At the start of the year, and especially when we got into SEC play and faced defenses that extended on us and our perimeter game went to **** I kept thinking: get it to Kodi down low get it to Kodi down low and sure as hell over the past 3-4 games we have and he hasn't been able to score at all. The one thing that we need to give him a little credit for is making quite a few good passes, in particular to Jarvis. If he and Jarvis could develop more of a back and forth exchange down low, we would be much harder to stop.

Notice also that Turner (3)and Osby (4) are finishing the games. Reminds me of how Stans used to bench theDelks in favor ofHans andBarry at the end. Ravern just can't turn up the defensive pressure at hiscurrent playing weight.

Bost and Stewart have to focus or bring their intensity level up and STOP making unforced dumbass turnovers. It really hurts us. For all the other aspects of Stewart's game that seem so disciplined and intelligent, I have never understood how he continues to do that?
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[mstateglfr]

<span class="post-title">he shoots 45% in conf. play - that is a liability</span><div>
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</div><div>remind me again of who all wanted our starting five (and first three off the bench) out of high school?</div>

45% is hardly a liability. It isnt an excellent % from the post, but it isnt a liability. Furthermore, he is shooting 56% on the year. I am considering his value for the year. Its the same as shooting 30% from behind the arc.
And hey, look at that...30% is EXACTLY what the team is shooting from behind the arc in conference play. So our post player is a liability and our outside shooting is equally as liable.
Only 1 player on our team makes a higher % of their shots...Ravern. You are saying our second most efficient scorer is a liability...which means everyone below is even more of a liability.
This is absurd. He isnt prolific on offense, but he isnt a liability either. The second most efficient scorer is not an offensive liability. And thats using your conference stats, not overall stats.

As for who wanted our starting 5 and top 3 bench players:

Jarvis Varnado- MSU, Colorado, Xavier, Memphis, Tennessee ALL offered.
Dee Bost- MSU, Cincy, Florida State, , Virginia Tech, High Point, Miami, Virginia ALL offered.
Barry Stewart- MSU, MTSU, East Carolina, East Kentucky, Lipscomb, Austin Peay ALL offered.
Kodi Augustus- MSU, Arkansas, Miami, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, West Virginia ALL offered.
Ravern Johnson- MSU, Alabama, Memphis, Ole Miss ALL offered.
Romero Osby- MSU, Kansas, Louisville, Bama, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Ga Tech, Kentucky, Memphis, Oklahoma, Texas ALL offered.
Phil Turner- MSU, Southern Miss BOTH offered.
Riley Benock- MSU, William & Mary BOTH offered.
Elgin Bailey- MSU, Miami, LSU, Ole Miss, UNLV, Southern Cal ALL offered.

I included Bailey in this because he would have been in the top 8 had injury not made him sit. Turner was lightly recruited, as was Benock. Stewart was heavily recruited and heavily offered, but mostly by midlevel schools.
Besides that, theother 9 players list elite teams. Kansas, Texas multiple times, Memphis multiple times, Tennessee multiple times, WVU, etc etc. Read thru who was offered by whom. It is hardly something you can just dismiss as our guys were lightly recruited or not recruited by great programs.

 

[paindonthurt_]

we continue with the same trend.

 

[jbulldog]

like Kodi has started this one tonite he has to be taken out promptly. He has taken 3 threes, not been close, nearly turned it over one other time, and watched his man go by him for a layup. How long do you stay with him before at least having him take a seat and think about it? I have seen him shoot and know he can but first he must be a rebounder and defender...at least in my book. He is definitely NOT a pure shooter like Stewart or Johnson and there is no need for him to act like he is.

 

[HD6]

between firing a coach with 21 wins in 5 years and replacing him with an assistant and firing a coach with almost 250 wins in 12 years, with multiple championships and postseason appearances and replacing him with an assistant.