Kyrie & Wiggins

[Cats192]

What do we do with the millions of Black Americans who do not want the shot because of historical precedent? Half of the white population has encouraged black paranoia, but now? We’re just going to ignore this?

The mandate came out as a direct result of the Afghanistan mess. It was a redirection effort. This is not debatable.

I appreciate your post o your life experiences. I definitely was not saying I know how you came up, but that maybe right now you’ve forgotten that some people can’t quit their job. What do you think we should do with a black man who doesn’t want the vaccine because he doesn’t trust you, but can’t quit his job? Some of you need to start answering this question. It’s pretty important to the discussion.

Nope. I very much understand that you can't quit your job. But I also understand that there IS a choice. If due to whatever factor--you feel you have to make one choice over the other, then make it.

I want the pandemic to end. I want to stop having an ICU full of people who thought they knew their own risk.

I don't know how to combat the mistrust of the African American community. Over half of the world has been vaccinated and there is a wealth of data that the vaccine is safe. I can't speak to the crimes of Tuskegee.

I'm literally just here to talk about the vaccine +/- the NBA. Maybe it was announced when it was as a way to take attention from Afghanistan. Afghanistan was a huge screw up. Lots of things Biden has done have been huge screw ups. I'm with you on that.

If you've got natural immunity, I don't think you need to rush out and take the vaccine. I think there's a reasonable middle ground. When I start a new job, I have to get titers to check my antibody levels against Hep B and other things. I think there's a reasonable middle ground where if you've got the appropriate level of antibodies--then you don't have to have the shot. But if you dip below that line--shot or quit.

 

[HDAWG123455]

Y’all are some real stupid people. Have a nice day.

Based on the population numbers and the mortality rate of the virus in the United States (Based on number of cases reported in correlation with the amount of deaths) then 1.5% of the population is susceptible to perishing from the virus. 328.2million (U.S. population)/0.015(Percent of mortality rate) that is 4.9 million people that are at risk based off statistics.

But hey, math is hard and I'm the stupid one lol

 

[Cowtown Cat]

For the record, my company ISN’T mandating the vaccine. They’ll test every week. So “cry baby” oh that @Cats192

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

If I had known you had thousands of hours of clinical research I wouldn't even of responded. My apologies for stepping into a conversation that I did not belong in. I now know more people that have had massive hours of clinical research than passing away from the vaccine.

God bless you and your family!

To be clear, I’m not a virologist or a physician. My clinical work is in mental health and I just had my first work published. I’m making the point that I understand research. I’ve performed thousands of hours at clinics and university settings.

I would say from the sound of you that no, you don’t really have a background to discuss much of this.

But good luck to you and your family. My hope is that everyone makes it out safe. I’m tired of seeing people die.

 

[HDAWG123455]

I get you with KD and LeBron, but how is Giannis “polarizing”? I’ve never encountered anyone who doesn’t like that guy.

Just kind of mean he's a larger than life player. Most like him, but then there's Suns fans lol

 

[Cats192]

In my lifetime I'm not aware of vaccinations being required by any entity except for public schools and the military. Maybe there are some others I'm not familiar with. Covid has a 99% survival rate and can't or shouldn't in any way be compared to something like polio.

A lot of employers mandate vaccines. You being unaware doesn't eliminate the fact that it happens.

Polio was claiming 3,000 and 6,000 in it's worst years. COVID has claimed 680,000 in less than 2 years.

 

[JonathanW_rivals]

I heard that for the NBA to require vaccines, the players union would have to agree to it, but I'm not sure if that's accurate

Pretty sure KAT supports players being vaccinated.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

Y’all are some real stupid people. Have a nice day.

Quick, get in the gas chamber. The smoke is a vaccine!

 

[Cats192]

For the record, my company ISN’T mandating the vaccine. They’ll test every week. So “cry baby” oh that @Cats192

Oh man, you got me so hard. +1 for you.

 

[HDAWG123455]

I’m tired of seeing people die.

Yet, you won't take a vaccine that has proven to exponentially limit the risk of someone dying from the disease lol

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

Nope. I very much understand that you can't quit your job. But I also understand that there IS a choice. If due to whatever factor--you feel you have to make one choice over the other, then make it.

I want the pandemic to end. I want to stop having an ICU full of people who thought they knew their own risk.

I don't know how to combat the mistrust of the African American community. Over half of the world has been vaccinated and there is a wealth of data that the vaccine is safe. I can't speak to the crimes of Tuskegee.

I'm literally just here to talk about the vaccine +/- the NBA. Maybe it was announced when it was as a way to take attention from Afghanistan. Afghanistan was a huge screw up. Lots of things Biden has done have been huge screw ups. I'm with you on that.

If you've got natural immunity, I don't think you need to rush out and take the vaccine. I think there's a reasonable middle ground. When I start a new job, I have to get titers to check my antibody levels against Hep B and other things. I think there's a reasonable middle ground where if you've got the appropriate level of antibodies--then you don't have to have the shot. But if you dip below that line--shot or quit.

I appreciate the advice.

I will say though that most of the people screaming about the vaccine, who also encourage Black paranoia for political gain, have a lot of explaining to do.

 

[Cats192]

It's around 98.5% in the US. But hey screw those 1.5% am I right. That's only like 4.9 million people

In previous pandemics, people had a sense of civid duty. They worried about their fellow man. So they took vaccines to help end pandemics.

Now it's all "me me me" "my my my"

 

[Laparkafan]

Over/under 15 pages

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

Yet, you won't take a vaccine that has proven to exponentially limit the risk of someone dying from the disease lol

Ive had a lot of people die in my life lately.

Zero from COVID, 1 from the vaccine, 2 from car wrecks, 2 clients from suicide, 1 from cancer, and 1 about to die from cancer.

But COVID, with a 99% success rate of survival (and better with natural immunity) is what you want to scream about.

I bet I know who you voted for.

 

[HDAWG123455]

Over/under 15 pages

Under. This thread will be deleted probably soon.

 

[roguemocha]

Everything has to do with the virus. We're talking about a vaccine that was created for the virus. We're talking about mandates because...we're still in a pandemic from the virus. The NFL, NBA, NCAA, MLB, etc. have all had to change how they do business because of the virus. You're absolutely kidding yourself if you think the virus doesn't affect everything.

I grew up very poor. And if my dad lost his job as a security guard at the coal mines--I'm not sure what we would have done. But I also know my dad who had to take a lot of vaccines would just man up and take another one so he could feed his family.

I am indifferent to your choice. When this thing took off--no one asked me if I wanted to take care of patients with a deadly contagious virus. There was no choice. This was the job. I could quit and go make less money doing something else. I care about other people, and I like my job and paying my bills--so I made the choice to do something I wasn't crazy about doing.

And because of selfish people like yourself--this pandemic has raged on for over a year and a half. So I'm constantly getting to take care of people--much like yourself--who knew their own risk. Who all think that they should have taken the vaccine because they didn't understand "THIS IS WHAT REALLY SICK LOOKS LIKE?"

So, no. I'm some rich jerk who is ignorant of your need to work. I'm a guy who stepped up from the beginning. And now annoyed that people like you don't think they should have to do their part in ending a pandemic. So, forgive me if I don't care that you have to choose between the shot and your livelihood. I had to choose between daily exposure and my livliehood.

Is there a exception for natural
Immunity in this? No one that is super pro vax ever says anything about that. They just gloss over it or don’t mention it.

 

[HDAWG123455]

Ive had a lot of people die in my life lately.

Zero from COVID, 2 from car wrecks, 2 clients from suicide, 1 from cancer, and 1 about to die from cancer.

But COVID, with a 99% success rate of survival (and better with natural immunity) is what you want to scream about.

I bet I know who you voted for.

Unlike you, I don't shape my whole life around a political ideology or who someone voted for. I've had 5 close family members die from COVID over the past year before a vaccine was readily available, and one that passed away because they believed similar to you. So yes, it's a serious subject for me. Not because of who I voted for, but because of my life experiences.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

In previous pandemics, people had a sense of civid duty. They worried about their fellow man. So they took vaccines to help end pandemics.

Now it's all "me me me" "my my my"

My wife decided to get the first shot and wait. We had just found out about Barton (my friend who was a physician) dying from the vaccine. Now she wants to go ahead and her the second shot.

Thoughts on this?

 

[Cats192]

Is there a exception for natural
Immunity in this? No one that is super pro vax ever says anything about that. They just gloss over it or don’t mention it.

I'm fairly certain the government hasn't said anything about it at this point. It may be the sort of thing that's hammed out in the details over the coming weeks/months.

I think it's more than reasonable to check antibody levels every so often. 6 month intervals or year intervals. And if your antibodies from previous infection have dropped below a given threshhold, you're now required to get a shot. Or--not work there.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

Unlike you, I don't shape my whole life around a political ideology or who someone voted for. I've had 5 close family members die from COVID over the past year before a vaccine was readily available, and one that passed away because they believed similar to you. So yes, it's a serious subject for me. Not because of who I voted for, but because of my life experiences.

I don’t have a political ideology. Anyone can get it.

But you’re lying. You absolutely have a political ideology and I can see through it a mile away.

Sorry for the losses. It’s not easy right now.

 

[HDAWG123455]

Is there a exception for natural
Immunity in this? No one that is super pro vax ever says anything about that. They just gloss over it or don’t mention it.

https://news.yahoo.com/study-finds-huge-perk-getting-183038429.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01609-4

Here's some articles that I've read. They may help for what you're asking about. Now with mandates, I'm not sure to be honest.

 

[Cats192]

My wife decided to get the first shot and wait. We had just found out about Barton (my friend who was a physician) dying from the vaccine. Now she wants to go ahead and her the second shot.

Thoughts on this?

I would encourage her to get it.

I'm not sure of the details surrounding your friend's tragic passing. But for every vaccine related death--there's hundreds of thousands of covid related deaths. You're so much more likely to have permanent issues or death from covid than you are from the vaccine. And as time goes on--if we don't exit the pandemic stage--your chances of catching it only increase.

 

[HDAWG123455]

I don’t have a political ideology. Anyone can get it.

But you’re lying. You absolutely have a political ideology and I can see through it a mile away.

Sorry for the losses. It’s not easy right now.

Obviously I have an ideology. Basically everyone does, but I don't shape my life around who someone voted for in the last election. I have friends of all ideology's. That's what's wrong with all of this. People have turned this into a political tool when in reality it shouldn't be at all. It should just be doing the basic civil duty that our elders did before us.

 

[HDAWG123455]

Under. This thread will be deleted probably soon.

Nvm it was moved to General Discussion lol

 

[BigKari]

If I’m the coach my immediate reaction is “oh you won’t be dressing for any home games? Well okay, you won’t be traveling with the team to road games then”. I’m sure these 2 ****** goofs, who have attended maybe 2 1/2 college classes combined, know more than licensed medical professionals.

You keep seeing people say it in the thread over and over, our whole lives vaccine mandates have been no big deal. We know damn well by now that it has nothing to do with the vaccine. It’s all political for them and it’s all about Daddy Trump. I won’t lie to you anti-vaxxers, society looks at you the same way SEC fans looked at Marshall Henderson. You’re all a bunch of selfish punks.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

Obviously I have an ideology. Basically everyone does, but I don't shape my life around who someone voted for in the last election. I have friends of all ideology's. That's what's wrong with all of this. People have turned this into a political tool when in reality it shouldn't be at all. It should just be doing the basic civil duty that our elders did before us.

you’re much more likely to follow the line and you are. You just don’t realize it. There are many reasons for people not to get the vaccine. You won’t accept it because your party of choice has weaponizes this and you bought it.

What do we do with the Black Americans that don’t trust the government or doctors and don’t want the shot? Many people of your ideology have encouraged their paranoia since around 2008 for political gain. What do you want to do with them? Why don’t any of you want to touch this?

 

[Col. Angus]

An employer can do what they want if they require a vaccinated staff. I'd kick them to the curb. Nutty flat earther Kyrie first.

Yep. Employer can do whatever they want. They don’t wanna follow rules, they can eat ****.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

If I’m the coach my immediate reaction is “oh you won’t be dressing for any home games? Well okay, you won’t be traveling with the team to road games then”. I’m sure these 2 ****in goofs, who have attended maybe 2 1/2 college classes combined, know more than licensed medical professionals.

You keep seeing people say it in the thread over and over, our whole lives vaccine mandates have been no big deal. We know damn well by now that it has nothing to do with the vaccine. It’s all political for them and it’s all about Daddy Trump. I won’t lie to you anti-vaxxers, society looks at you the same way SEC fans looked at Marshall Henderson. You’re all a bunch of selfish punks.

Coming from people who have openly encouraged Black paranoia and the murder of children, I wear this as a badge of honor.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

If I’m the coach my immediate reaction is “oh you won’t be dressing for any home games? Well okay, you won’t be traveling with the team to road games then”. I’m sure these 2 ****in goofs, who have attended maybe 2 1/2 college classes combined, know more than licensed medical professionals.

You keep seeing people say it in the thread over and over, our whole lives vaccine mandates have been no big deal. We know damn well by now that it has nothing to do with the vaccine. It’s all political for them and it’s all about Daddy Trump. I won’t lie to you anti-vaxxers, society looks at you the same way SEC fans looked at Marshall Henderson. You’re all a bunch of selfish punks.

By the way, you do realize one of the biggest unvaxxed populations are Black Americans right?

This is how foolish people on the left sound right now. Sometimes it’s the right, but right now it’s all the left.

Her body her choice? Kill the baby.

Her body her choice? Afghanistan is a mess, force her to a needle.

Y’all are all over the map and it’s hilarious.

 

[HDAWG123455]

By the way, you do realize one of the biggest unvaxxed populations are Black Americans right?

This is how foolish people on the left sound right now. Sometimes it’s the right, but right now it’s all the left.

Her body her choice? Kill the baby.

Her body her choice? Afghanistan is a mess, force her to a needle.

Y’all are all over the map and it’s hilarious.

No one brought up anything about abortion, Afghanistan, or racial discrimination other than you lol

 

[ganner918_rivals60369]

In my lifetime I'm not aware of vaccinations being required by any entity except for public schools and the military. Maybe there are some others I'm not familiar with.

It's pretty common in healthcare settings, nursing homes, people who work with children.

 

[St.PatterSoN-54-]

Doesn’t seem fair if a backed person gets COVID no PTO but a non vaxxed has to. Either way you got COVID, if you have natural immunity do you still have to use PTO? If so, that’s BS.

I disagree. Companies are always going to do whatever they need to do to make money.

Because there is strong scientific proof that the vaxxed population, even if they come down with Covid, will on average be affected FAR LESS than their unvaxxed counterparts, employers will do everything they can to strongly encourage vaccination.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

No one brought up anything about abortion, Afghanistan, or racial discrimination other than you lol

Of course you didn’t. Why would you bring things up that make your ideological preference look foolish? Thanks.

 

[ganner918_rivals60369]

Of course you didn’t. Why would you bring things up that make your ideological preference look foolish? Thanks.

Man, for somebody who keeps accusing others of being all about politics and ideology, you're completely ate up with politics.

 

[Nightwish84]

I just think it’s funny that last year (and years prior) most on these boards wanted athletes to shut up and only entertain us. Now, it seems as though it’s okay for athletes to have opinions. This is good to know going forward.

 

[king of cali]

Man, for somebody who keeps accusing others of being all about politics and ideology, you're completely ate up with politics.

It’s uncanny lol

 

[St.PatterSoN-54-]

My wife decided to get the first shot and wait. We had just found out about Barton (my friend who was a physician) dying from the vaccine. Now she wants to go ahead and her the second shot.

Thoughts on this?

How do you reconcile that vs. your earlier suggestion that people electing to get the vaccine may as well be committing suicide? I'm guessing you and your wife fight about this a lot.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

Man, for somebody who keeps accusing others of being all about politics and ideology, you're completely ate up with politics.

This is POLITICAL.

I assure you, with nearly guarantees, that I subscribe least of all to political parties.

The left always does this. Makes everything political but in a misdirected way, and the second someone catches their ********….oh stop being political!!

The Biden administration has created a mandate for a vaccine at this time in order to create in fighting between Americans and to deter Americans from looking at his atrocious governance. So you’re not going to talk about the party vessel’s game plan and have everyone pretend it’s genuinely not included in their strategy. Find someone else who will play by that ********.

You might not understand the way political parties work, but they set the table based off of numerous reasons. This is where identity politics bred from, but they say the same thing when talking about that. It’s not political.

It’s ONLY political.

I get it, we’ve talked before. You’re one of the ones that understands this all too well but you’re a member of a party. Well I’m not, and if I want to call your side and their ******** I’m going to do it.

I don’t believe we need a mandate. It doesn’t make sense, and the timing of it is exactly when the party would shift the narrative and the corrupt propagandists in the media would roll. Ignore it, I’m not.

 

[BigKari]

This is POLITICAL.

I assure you, with nearly guarantees, that I subscribe least of all to political parties.

The left always does this. Makes everything political but in a misdirected way, and the second someone catches their ********….oh stop being political!!

The Biden administration has created a mandate for a vaccine at this time in order to create in fighting between Americans and to deter Americans from looking at his atrocious governance. So you’re not going to talk about the party vessel’s game plan and have everyone pretend it’s genuinely not included in their strategy. Find someone else who will play by that ********.

You might not understand the way political parties work, but they set the table based off of numerous reasons. This is where identity politics bred from, but they say the same thing when talking about that. It’s not political.

It’s ONLY political.

I get it, we’ve talked before. You’re one of the ones that understands this all too well but you’re a member of a party. Well I’m not, and if I want to call your side and their ******** I’m going to do it.

I don’t believe we need a mandate. It doesn’t make sense, and the timing of it is exactly when the party would shift the narrative and the corrupt propagandists in the media would roll. Ignore it, I’m not.

It’s about public health for the Biden administration and democrats. You and your ilk are the ones making it political.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

How do you reconcile that vs. your earlier suggestion that people electing to get the vaccine may as well be committing suicide? I'm guessing you and your wife fight about this a lot.

He’s a physician. I don’t have a problem with asking his opinion on it. He’s not a virologist, so I take it for what it’s worth. But I don’t have shame in asking questions.

She didn’t want the second shot because we buried a friend of mine days after he received the shot. We were told (by medical professionals involved) that all they can assume is COVID was lying dormant in his organs and it caused a negative reaction. So no, I wasn’t busting down doors to get a shot that killed my guy and she’s likely immune from anyway.

It’s amazing to me some can’t accept the fears are genuine and there’s no need to make matters worse and force people by their livelihood to get the shot.

We’ve got a physician in this thread essentially saying people that don’t want the shot are murderers who don’t care about their fellow man. That’s why I’m letting all the dust settle, this is nothing but political theatre and more than half the country is ate up.