"Landshark" vs "Dawg Pound Rock"

[dawgatUSM]

This may sound like sour grapes, and it may be, but I really do want to know the answer to this question.

Last year (maybe 2 yrs ago), a State player (can't remember who) got a 15 yard penalty for throwing up the "Landshark." Why is Ole Miss allowed to do something that other teams are not? Granted, it may very well be "mocking" or "unsportsmanlike" or whatever you would like to call it, but the same argument could be made for when they do it.

In order to be completely fair, the DPR could be considered the same, but there were a handful of Ole Miss players/coaches mocking that on their sidelines when the game was in hand. The head coach was also seen mocking the "train" signal or whatever it was when Dak came in.

Here's my point: If you're going to do something that is different, tradition, or what have you, shouldn't it be fair game to be thrown back in your face when it doesn't go well? I truly mean that for the Landshark and the DPR. If we are going to pick and choose what is personal foul worthy, then there will be a whole coarse of other issues.

 

[maroonmania]

I don't understand why its allowed either...

we had to move the DPR to the sidelines for it not to be a penalty. Granted the DPR is an team orchestrated thing but its become obvious that this landshark gyration after every tackle has become the exact same type thing. And IMO the whole landshark routine looks pretty stupid anyway. It has about as much place after making a tackle as doing the moonwalk would.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

That's exactly the thing though, the players "throwing it back in your face" IN THE FIELD OF PLAY. Yes, the ladshark is something we do, and it started with the late Tony Fein. Part of it, I'd assume, is that it caught on in 2008, and the other part, I assume, is also a tribute to him. yes, it is similar to the dogpound rock as a celebration thing. But I don't recall the players being flagged because they typically did it on the sideline before taking the field.

The landshark itself, typically, is a quick hand to the helmet gesture after a big play, and no more. The MSU player you referenced threw it up and ran 15 yards i obvious mockery. Hell, if I were in his shoes, I would've done the same

The key to the "train" mockery ad mockery of the dog pound rock, - and why they didn't draw flags - when both were being mocked on our sideline is exactly that: they were bein mocked on our sideline. he MSU player who threw up the landshark and ran 15 yards with it did it right after a play, right in the middle of the field, knowing full well what he was doing and that it was an insult to us.
That said, I like the landshark, and liked the DPR. Both are prime examples of why I love college football more than the pros - the enthusiasm, excitement and passion.

 

[FlabLoser]

I don't have a problem with any of it.

Except for when Pernell McPhee gets penalized for doing the same thing that the Ole Miss guy receives no penalty for.

 

[Victory Red]

Depends on if they are doing it as a celebratory gesture away from the players or towards the opposing players. Anyone can do a celebratory gesture like that as long as it isn't directed at a player. They always do it going away from the sack or tackle or play, usually running towards our own sidelines. McPhee got up and did it in Ole Miss players' faces and it was obviously meant as a shot towards them.

 

[FlabLoser]

McPhee got up and did it in Ole Miss players' faces

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No, he didn't.

 

[slickdawg]

Depends on if they are doing it as a celebratory gesture away from the players or towards the opposing players. Anyone can do a celebratory gesture like that as long as it isn't directed at a player. They always do it going away from the sack or tackle or play, usually running towards our own sidelines. McPhee got up and did it in Ole Miss players' faces and it was obviously meant as a shot towards them.

Hmm, running down or towards your own sidelines, going away from the play, why in fact, that is EXACTLY what Pernell McPhee did. He wasn't in the face of one single player from Ole Miss.

 

[121Josey]

The Man-Gazelle

That's exactly the thing though, the players "throwing it back in your face" IN THE FIELD OF PLAY. Yes, the ladshark is something we do, and it started with the late Tony Fein. Part of it, I'd assume, is that it caught on in 2008, and the other part, I assume, is also a tribute to him. yes, it is similar to the dogpound rock as a celebration thing. But I don't recall the players being flagged because they typically did it on the sideline before taking the field.

The landshark itself, typically, is a quick hand to the helmet gesture after a big play, and no more. The MSU player you referenced threw it up and ran 15 yards i obvious mockery. Hell, if I were in his shoes, I would've done the same

That said, I like the landshark, and liked the DPR. Both are prime examples of why I love college football more than the pros - the enthusiasm, excitement and passion.

What? Throwing it "back in your face" is not allowed? Obvious mockery? Like TSUN doing it is not "throwing it IN your face?" Besides, who said TSUN owns the rights to the gesture?

$cam made the superman gesture popular. So does he own that now? I guess that's what Johnny Manziel was flagged for in the enzone at DWS: "throwing it back in" Scam's face - in the field of play no less.

Now Go back to the artic and get you a "discount double-check"! (Sorry State Farm Insurance for throwing it in your face)

 

[ClevelandBrownII]

Hmm, running down or towards your own sidelines, going away from the play, why in fact, that is EXACTLY what Pernell McPhee did. He wasn't in the face of one single player from Ole Miss.

Man I miss that "relentless effort"! McPhee hawked Scott down like he was standing still!

 

[rem101]

This is where I agree with "THE U" in the 80's. If you don't want me to dance, don't let me score.

I f'n hate the celebration rule.

 

[FormerlyHighLifeRebel]

Dude, this is totally wrong.

According to many on herel, MSU owns the Landshark now.

 

[Dawgg]

Dude, this is totally wrong.

According to many on herel, MSU owns the Landshark now.

Well... technically, Jimmy Buffett, the actual owner of the Landshark trademark is a USM grad.

 

[mayhemdawg62]

The Landshark thing is just as gay...

if not more gay than the "Hotty Toddy" chant from the dude beside you in button down shirt, sweater vest, bow tie and red pants.

 

[DanielPlainview]

And cowbells an the dawg pound rock are cool

And playing who let the dogs out

 

[RougeDawg]

Let me ask this question for the 1800th time and see if I can get 1st answer....

And playing who let the dogs out

What the 17 does hotty toddy even mean? Who/what group says a chant that asks "who the hell are we"? First of all shouldn't you know who you are before you even develop a gay chant that has absolutely 0.0000 meaning?

I can't tell you how many bears Ive left speechless when I ask this same question, including Saturday night.

At least the things we use and have are relevant to our team and history. I hope you understand the history of the bell and last time I checked, our mascot is a dog. So your argument is as irrelevant as your infamous meaningless rally cry.

 

[DanielPlainview]

What the 17 does hotty toddy even mean? Who/what group says a chant that asks "who the hell are we"? First of all shouldn't you know who you are before you even develop a gay chant that has absolutely 0.0000 meaning?

I can't tell you how many bears Ive left speechless when I ask this same question, including Saturday night.

At least the things we use and have are relevant to our team and history. I hope you understand the history of the bell and last time I checked, our mascot is a dog. So your argument is as irrelevant as your infamous meaningless rally cry.

Wait a minute, we are having an Internet argument over which cheers are cool v. Which ones are "gay". So what does meaning have to do with it? My point is that all "cheers" are gay if they aren't your own.

I also am fully aware that the origins and meaning of hotty toddy are unknown. And I give 2 17s. Bc for the most part all cheers are lame and meaningless if they aren't your own.

And yes I get the meaning of the cowbell. You are a redneck cow college so you ring cowbells, right?

 

[Crucifictorious]

Easy Company would probably be able to tell you the origins of Hotty Toddy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWTR--zfM_Y

 

[mayhemdawg62]

The Dog Pound Rock, "Who Let the Dogs Out" and the...

Cowbell are relevant to Mississippi State University. I would rather ring a cowbell, dress casual in Maroon and White and be affiliated with a redneck university; than wave red and blue pom poms, chanting a gay chant (Hotty Toddy) when y'all actually do make a big play and look ***** wearing bow ties and sweater vests to all the ole miss games. Good luck playing in the Tampax Maxipad Bowl game!!

 

[Maroonthirteen]

Yes they are

I love the sound of cowbells as I enter Davis Wade. When we played Chuch Smooth and the players did the DPR on the sideline, it was spectacular.

With all that said, I thought the FeedMoncreif song and players reactions on the sidelines was more comparable to the DPR than the Landshark. It was pretty cool too by the way.

 

[PBRME]

That's exactly the thing though, the players "throwing it back in your face" IN THE OF PLAY. Yes, the ladshark is something we do, and it started with the late Tony Fein. Part of it, I'd assume, is that it caught on in 2008, and the other part, I assume, is also a tribute to him. yes, it is similar to the dogpound rock as a celebration thing. But I don't recall the players being flagged because they typically did it on the sideline before taking the field.

The landshark itself, typically, is a quick hand to the helmet gesture after a big play, and no more. The MSU player you referenced threw it up and ran 15 yards i obvious mockery. Hell, if I were in his shoes, I would've done the same

The key to the "train" mockery ad mockery of the dog pound rock, - and why they didn't draw flags - when both were being mocked on our sideline is exactly that: they were bein mocked on our sideline. he MSU player who threw up the landshark and ran 15 yards with it did it right after a play, right in the middle of the field, knowing full well what he was doing and that it was an insult to us.
That said, I like the landshark, and liked the DPR. Both are prime examples of why I love college football more than the pros - the enthusiasm, excitement and passion.

The train mockery was started by Moncreif after he scored a touchdown. He was doing it in the end zone. That's when the camera showed the sideline doing it. The Rebs did it more than once on the field.

 

[SuspectZero]

Am I the only one that likes these uniforms in Slick's video better than what we wore this year.

 

[MedDawg]

Yeah, I think

I remember reading that McPhee was actually given a warning by the refs after his first landshark. And then on his 2nd landshark, he did it, brought his hand down, and then did it again. So he probably 'deserved' the 15-yarder. Don't care. Still whipped 'em.

I have seen a lot of landsharks over the past few years by OM players that also deserved 15-yarders. Not all of them, necessarily, but several. Some are prolonged, with marching, some have been in opposing players' faces, etc.

Didn't we get a 15-yarder in the Gator bowl for walking slowly or standing still after a catch or something like that?

 

[Victory Red]

What the 17 does hotty toddy even mean? Who/what group says a chant that asks "who the hell are we"? First of all shouldn't you know who you are before you even develop a gay chant that has absolutely 0.0000 meaning?

I can't tell you how many bears Ive left speechless when I ask this same question, including Saturday night.

At least the things we use and have are relevant to our team and history. I hope you understand the history of the bell and last time I checked, our mascot is a dog. So your argument is as irrelevant as your infamous meaningless rally cry.

What, exactly, is the relevance of the cowbell to your school? Your own school's website has this to say:

"The precise origin of the cowbell as a fixture of Mississippi State sports tradition remains unclear to this day."

So please, explain to all of us exactly what the relevance is that isn't based on some legend that nobody knows if it is true or not.

 

[Victory Red]

The train mockery was started by Moncreif after he scored a touchdown. He was doing it in the end zone. That's when the camera showed the sideline doing it. The Rebs did it more than once on the field.

Incorrect. I was at the game and just watched it again. The train mockery started on 4th and 2 with 6:17 left in the 2nd when your entire OL and Dak Prescott came to the line of scrimmage doing the gesture after Mullen called the timeout. After Freeze called a timeout, your entire OL came back from the sidelines again and did it at the line of scrimmage in unison, with Dak Prescott doing it the entire way from the sidelines. Your offense was stopped and the defense and even Freeze mocked them the rest of the game for it. Try again.

 

[Corch42]

Because the whole world hates Mississippi State.

And there is a mass conspiracy involving everyone in the SEC from top to bottom to keep you down.



Is that what you want to hear?

 

[dawgatUSM]

I don't think anyone insinuated such.

My post was just posing the question of why one is a violation and the other is not.

Then, I agreed that both shouldn't get upset when the other does it mockingly. Ole Miss fans cried themselves to sleep when pern did the landshark. Yet ate it up when the DPR and Daks signal is mocked.

 

[DanielPlainview]

I think the land shark took on a little different meaning for the team and fans after Tony Fein died. The "dak train" and then throw a jump pass is prob why they made so much fun of it

 

[PBRME]

Incorrect. I was at the game and just watched it again. The train mockery started on 4th and 2 with 6:17 left in the 2nd when your entire OL and Dak Prescott came to the line of scrimmage doing the gesture after Mullen called the timeout. After Freeze called a timeout, your entire OL came back from the sidelines again and did it at the line of scrimmage in unison, with Dak Prescott doing it the entire way from the sidelines. Your offense was stopped and the defense and even Freeze mocked them the rest of the game for it. Try again.

Either you fail at reading comprehension or your quest to defend all things Rebel has blinded your ability to think rationally.

[h=2]mock·er·y[/h] /ˈmɒk ə ri/ Show Spelled [mok-uh-ree] Show IPA noun, plural mock·er·ies. 1. ridicule, contempt, or derision.

2. a derisive, imitative action or speech.

3. a subject or occasion of derision.

4. an imitation, especially of a ridiculous or unsatisfactory kind.

5. a mocking pretense; travesty: a mockery of justice.

Dak has pulled the train whistle throughout the season. The conversation is comparing our landshark mockery of the Rebels drawing a flag, and your train mockery of the Bulldogs not drawing a flag. Moncrief mocked what Dak does after scoring a touchdown, while he was in the endzone, in the field of play. Can I make it any simpler than that or are you too stupid to comprehend?