Last night and the portal

[Shelby65]

The way our offense operated this year I don’t think Hyatt forcing up some threes at 30.8% or whatever was actually a net negative. Not sure it was positive enough to balance out his defense though

Yes, because Paul and Oskar only shoot when wide open. Hyatt’s misses are often forced late in the clock. Paul doesn’t take those, he drives instead and turns it over. Can’t fault Hyatt’s misses for team offense failures, which happens a lot with RU.

 

[Scangg]

Scary stats:
per 40 min
Hyatt: 14.6 FGA
Simpson: 14.4 FGA
oddly identical % = .374
FG% worse than everyone who played but Miller
"equal opportunity offense"
BUT - those are the two guys who can kinda get their own shot off or shoot contested shots

Difference is Simpson is shooting that percentage as a true freshman. Hyatt is a 5th year senior. If Simpson is still shooting 37% as a senior, that's a problem

 

[MiloTalon13]

Difference is Simpson is shooting that percentage as a true freshman. Hyatt is a 5th year senior. If Simpson is still shooting 37% as a senior, that's a problem

Absolutely, gotta cut the FR some slack.
He shoots as much as Hyatt - should be scary if you want him to be your starting point guard
again - give him some slack he was a FR and they needed someone to shoot
I'm just describing stuff that happened

 

[Shelby65]

Difference is Simpson is shooting that percentage as a true freshman. Hyatt is a 5th year senior. If Simpson is still shooting 37% as a senior, that's a problem

And don’t forget Simpson takes a lot more layups. So, as an outside shooter Hyatt shoots a much higher percentage

 

[Scangg]

And don’t forget Simpson takes a lot more layups. So, as an outside shooter Hyatt shoots a much higher percentage

Hyatt also missed plenty of shots around the rim

 

[Shelby65]

Hyatt also missed plenty of shots around the rim

True. But if their overall percentages are the same and one takes many more layups then the other’s non-layup percentage is higher.

 

[RU-ROCS]

And don’t forget Simpson takes a lot more layups. So, as an outside shooter Hyatt shoots a much higher percentage

I don't know what you were watching, but no one blew more layups than Aundre this past season.

 

[Shelby65]

I don't know what you were watching, but no one blew more layups than Aundre this past season.

More than Cliff ? Or are you not counting his as layups. Anyhow, true Hyatt missed those but that skews the analysis i stated further in my favor. With the same % and far fewer layups, Hyatt has a better outside shooting percentage. Is obvious

 

[AZBlues]

And despite Hyatt and Simpson both shooting 37.4% overall, Aundre had both a better 3PT shooting percentage (30.6% to 21.7% for Derek) and a better 2PT shooting percentage (44.6% to 42.5% for Derek). It would be interesting to know their layup shooting percentages.. Derek shot better from the foul line than Aundre though, 79.3% to 69.6%.

(Regarding shot selection, as expected 51.4% of Aundre's shot attempts were from 3PT and 48.6% were from 2PT, while only 24.4% of Derek's attempts were from 3 and 75.6% were from 2PT.)

 

[AreYouNUTS]

“2 kids who I know Rutgers is getting involved with are Dame Adelekun and Joe Jones of Georgia State. Both would see considerable minutes.””

SAY WHAT? ??!!

 

[dpwhite]

 

[NickRU714]

This is why I ignore recruiting and "insiders" until players are on the court.

We were heavily involved with and looking to give significant minutes to someone who ended up at Loyola-Chicago? Seriously?

And someone had the nerve cite all these "Northeast HS contacts" when I pointed out being involved in HS sports has zero relevance to NBA draft projections.

Sorry run all the HS all-stars game you want but I'm still ignoring your draft projections.

 

[wheezer]

This is why I ignore recruiting and "insiders" until players are on the court.

We were heavily involved with and looking to give significant minutes to someone who ended up at Loyola-Chicago? Seriously?

And someone had the nerve cite all these "Northeast HS contacts" when I pointed out being involved in HS sports has zero relevance to NBA draft projections.

Sorry run all the HS all-stars game you want but I'm still ignoring your draft projections.

If RU was going back and forth with a possible recruit, I think we all would like to know
Heavily involved is not saying he will commit or even close to committing
It is very possible that RU pulled back

Don't shoot the messenger , he only tells you what he sees at that moment
If you expected A commit, you read too much into it

 

[NickRU714]

If RU was going back and forth with a possible recruit, I think we all would like to know
Heavily involved is not saying he will commit or even close to committing
It is very possible that RU pulled back

Don't shoot the messenger , he only tells you what he sees at that moment
If you expected A commit, you read too much into it

Didn't expect a commit at all. No idea who this player even is.
Just pointing out that "insider sources" are barely reliable on actual HS/college players.

So when a "recruiting insider" says "Gavin isn't a two and done in any universe" is means even less.
It doesn't matter how many HS games they attend.

 

[Scarlet83]

Shooting percentages are the biggest phantom stat and some people are going to be shocked here.

I would only truly care about what a player shoots, at RU....career stats are helpful, but since this is a RU discussion, I'm looking at what makes RU a better team and what they do here....I think when fans actually see these numbers, heads may explode with "Oh no, Hawk is right, yet again....."!!!

Let's be realistic.....we evaluate players based in level of competition. We also evaluate players based on actual "eye-test" and role within the team concept. If these concepts are foreign to fans, not sure what to tell you.

Let's look at the 2 top 3 point shooters in terms of attempts on RU....Cam Spencer and Aundre Hyatt....in terms of 3 point shooting percentage, Palmquist, Mulcahy shoot a better percentage than Hyatt, but I don't think that's relevant for one critical FACT.

In order for a shooting percentage to actually matter, you have to be able to shoot the ball quickly, against good defense and I think the standard is around 1 second to "catch and shoot"......

Cam Spencer has great "stats", but takes over 2 seconds to gather, get his feet set and has a very slow release. At this level of play, if your opponent is slow, undersized or not good, Spencer's numbers will or show that....and guess what, it does a BIG difference.

Let's look at Spencer and look at the 10 games that I believe all fans would agree were not teams considered either good, or not very good this season.

Central Connecticut State, Rider, Coppin State, Bucknell, Hofstra, UMass Lowell, Sacred Heart, Columbia and Minnesota twice, are all opponents that I would consider either not Power 5/6 standard, or not a credible level opponent. No disrespect to Hofstra, but they're good, but not at an Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska or Wisconsin level, even with all of those teams missing the NCAAs.

In 10 games against those opponents, Spencer shot 58.8% from 3 point range....which is absurd is a good way....he shot 32/55 against those teams from 3.....

Hyatt against those same opponents shot 10/33 from 3, for 30.8%....which is around what he shot from 3 for the season (30.6%).

Here's where stats can ultimately lie or if you don't watch games and understand roles, you can get fooled.

In the other "relevant" games, which includes, Temple, Seton Hall, Wake Forest, Miami and the 22 B1G games, the numbers are MUCH different. Because players (Spencer, Mulcahy as starters)
with higher percentages are just unable to take tougher shots OR cannot shoot quick enough........in other words, Spencer only shoots when he is left wide open and didn't take many shots when guarded closely....and we all watched when he was guarded closely, he was just as likely to potentially shoot an airball or have his shot blocked or altered.

Spencer in the other games that matter shot 44/114 from 3 point range....which is still very good, but it's a full 20 POINTS lower on percentages, all the way down to 38.5% from 3.....the larger question is whether 114 3 point attempts in 25 or so games is enough or too few.....in any way it's not even 5 3 point attempts per game.

Hyatt in those same games shot 35/114....which is at or around the same % he shot in all of the games....30.7% from 3. But he has the same shot attempts in a catch and shoot role AND he has to take quicker/tougher shots that Spencer cannot or will not take. BIG difference folks.

Spencer made NINE more 3s in games that matter, more than Hyatt....NINE more threes made over 25 or so games.....?? Doesn't seem like reality, but it is.

At NW, at Purdue, at Wisconsin were games where Spencer shot 14/21 from 3.....RU would have had ZERO chance at the NCAAs if not for those 3 games being wins.

On the other hand, there were 3 games, Temple, Seton Hall, Miami, where Spencer either didn't shoot well or could not/would not take shots.....he went 1 for 14 from 3........any of those games would have helped to have Spencer knock down something.....any of those games being flipped from loss to wins, means RU is in the NCAAs vs not.

I know these numbers may be shocking for the Scangg, who cant digest reality......

44 for 114 vs 35 for 114 from 3, in the same pool of 25 games.....what exactly are we talking about....??

Hyatt was placed in the Akwasi Yeboah role. Yeboah in his 1 year was a better overall player than Hyatt. And the eye-test and numbers bear that out. But the more you shoot, the more likely you will see your percentages drop.

Yeboah in 2019-20 shot 38/108 from 3.....35.2%

Hyatt in 2022-23 shot 45/147 from 3.....30.6%.....

In Yeboah and Hyatt, they played around the same amount of minutes per game.......Yeboah played with better players who could score and Hyatt was asked to take and make shots on a team that was more station to station.

To summarize your 22 paragraphs (I counted them), Hyatt’s 3 point percentage is a below average.

 

[wheezer]

Didn't expect a commit at all. No idea who this player even is.
Just pointing out that "insider sources" are barely reliable on actual HS/college players.

So when a "recruiting insider" says "Gavin isn't a two and done in any universe" is means even less.
It doesn't matter how many HS games they attend.

Didn't expect a commit at all. No idea who this player even is.
Just pointing out that "insider sources" are barely reliable on actual HS/college players.

So when a "recruiting insider" says "Gavin isn't a two and done in any universe" is means even less.
It doesn't matter how many HS games they attend.

there are insiders who give information and opinion
A recruit we are after is interesting info and appreciated
Speculating on a one or two and done you take with a grain of salt
Some posters give both,it’s the info we want more than opinion