Legalizing pot...

[argubs2]

Things are getting better nationally but the real floodgates won't open until the federal prohibition is ended. Public sentiment shifted long ago....it's now just a matter of overcoming the zealots and those who are funded by them.

In my mind's eye, I can travel back about 7 years ago, late night, watching Obama win the election. I turned to my wife and said "well, no matter what happens.....at least we'll get some progress on ending this prohibition."

7 years later, we're still working under this "wait and see" / "look the other way" federal regulation policy and it's absolute ********. They reserve the right to swoop in and destroy businesses in the blink of an eye, stymieing the growth of a multi-billion dollar industry that will create jobs, bring in totally new tax dollars, and restore a freedom back to the citizens of this country that the federal government has unethically and inconceivably held back for the better part of a century.

Now, a president can't end it by himself, obviously. I just expected some modicum of support and "nudging" along.....but other than looking the other way at the state level, he's done nothing.


Kentucky will be one of the last as, unfortunately, this state is filled with zealots who continue to consider the usage of the plant immoral. I really don't give a ****. Give me legalization in Ohio and I'll cross the river....just like I do when I want to hit the slot machines or play blackjack.

I love this state.....but goddam I hate it too.

 

[Big_Blue79]

California hasn't legalized recreational pot, but they're not exactly tightly controlling medical pot.

 

[bluelifer]

While they're at it, ask them if we can maybe get some beer served in Beaver Dam too.

 

[mashburned]

California hasn't legalized recreational pot, but they're not exactly tightly controlling medical pot.

Right. I imagine that's he sweet spot for everybody involved. Still gives state power to bust people. Anybody can buy weed if they pay their yearly "medical" fee and go cough for the doctor, or whatever. State still gets to act responsible and use the "hey this is mmj! It's a medicine that is controlled!". Its BS, but from a political standpoint, it satisfies a lot of different views and keeps everyone somewhat happy.

California is also a state in deep financial ****, correct? Just a total f up of a state. They've got all kinds of messes out there to deal with.

 

[mashburned]

Well said Argubs.

What's the name of that lady? OG x sour?

 

[jwheat]

Looks like headband to me,

 

[argubs2]

It's Santa Cruz Blue Dream this month.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

It's Santa Cruz Blue Dream this month.

She's beautiful!

 

[Big_Blue79]

Right. I imagine that's he sweet spot for everybody involved. Still gives state power to bust people.

It's probably better than most states, but I don't like the idea of giving power to a government entity on the understanding it is not enforced because it gives too much discretion to people who probably shouldn't have it. It's probably fine in practice, but it makes my skin crawl a bit.

 

[Xception]

The government will never let you grow your own pot without a license , permit or a litany of registration papers to document how much tax money to be collected . It won't just go legal like a standard crop that's free to cultivate .

 

[Nuke99m.]

Hell, we still have dry counties in kentucky and you want to legalize pot.

 

[jwheat]

The government will never let you grow your own pot without a license , permit or a litany of registration papers to document how much tax money to be collected . It won't just go legal like a standard crop that's free to cultivate .

If im not mistaken you can grow three of your own in colorado

 

[Diggers_Matching_Highlighter_rivals62132]

If anyone wants more information, this documentary on Netflix is extremely well-done:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1778338/

 

[neilborders]

Hell, we still have dry counties in kentucky and you want to legalize pot.

This.

Wanting to legalize marijuana in a state where we still have like 38 dry counties.

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

any of us can get pot now if we want it and the only think making it legal is going to do is make it more expensive and put money in the pockets of politicians and fat cats..... ya gotta laugh when government wants to ax tobacco and legalize MJ..... be careful what you ask for.

My dad was born in 1902 in what is now Mammoth Cave National Park. Most folks don't realize that prior to prohibition pot, coke and many opiates were legally sold across the counter. My father was a sub-teenager and he would go to town and get opium for his grandfather who was an old man once in the Mounted Calvary. A weeks supply was a dime.

What the government does not want you to know is that during that time folks were productive just like today. Based on what we are told by the fun police is that if drugs were made legal, all production would stop, we would all be addicts and end up in hell. The truth is we would have a few drug addicts like we already have, we would continue to have alcohol addicts and some sedated on the opiates. We still outlaw crack cocaine, heroin and meth because they are simply too dangerous to legalize.

Additionally, my grandfather made 268 gallons of whiskey (legally) per day. I have his recipe and his atf tax numbers. Grandpa was a decon in a Baptist Church that he had given land to build on and paid for a big chunk of the building expenses. After prohibition ended the Baptist declared alcohol bad, prohibited the flock from using it and excommunicated my grandfather because he had made it.

Being a libertarian, I would like to see many drugs made legal just to stop the drug cartels dead in their tracts. Without a law against drugs the price would plunge, especially in Kentucky where pot grows like a weed. I believe that once the novelty of being able to use legally wore off most people would end up doing what they did in 1910.

Let us be reasonable. (It will not happen, but it should.)
.

 

[JamesIII]

I'm a supporter of legalization.

However, due to the fact that brain development doesn't stop until around your mid-20's I think the legal age should be 25, even for alcohol.

 

[jwheat]

My dad was born in 1902 in what is now Mammoth Cave National Park. Most folks don't realize that prior to prohibition pot, coke and many opiates were legally sold across the counter. My father was a sub-teenager and he would go to town and get opium for his grandfather who was an old man once in the Mounted Calvary. A weeks supply was a dime.

What the government does not want you to know is that during that time folks were productive just like today. Based on what we are told by the fun police is that if drugs were made legal, all production would stop, we would all be addicts and end up in hell. The truth is we would have a few drug addicts like we already have, we would continue to have alcohol addicts and some sedated on the opiates. We still outlaw crack cocaine, heroin and meth because they are simply too dangerous to legalize.

Additionally, my grandfather made 268 gallons of whiskey (legally) per day. I have his recipe and his atf tax numbers. Grandpa was a decon in a Baptist Church that he had given land to build on and paid for a big chunk of the building expenses. After prohibition ended the Baptist declared alcohol bad, prohibited the flock from using it and excommunicated my grandfather because he had made it.

Being a libertarian, I would like to see many drugs made legal just to stop the drug cartels dead in their tracts. Without a law against drugs the price would plunge, especially in Kentucky where pot grows like a weed. I believe that once the novelty of being able to use legally wore off most people would end up doing what they did in 1910.

Let us be reasonable. (It will not happen, but it should.)
.

I agree with this post.

I just find it crazy that we can get 25 lorcet 10s for a tooth ache but I cant grow a pot or opium plant.

 

[fuzz77]

Being a libertarian, I would like to see many drugs made legal just to stop the drug cartels dead in their tracts. Without a law against drugs the price would plunge, especially in Kentucky where pot grows like a weed. I believe that once the novelty of being

Couple of things... Legalizing drugs wouldn't stop drug cartels as organized crime has been with us as long as prostitution...they would at best just move to another activity or expand their other niches like human trafficking.

In Colorado making pot legal has not stopped the illegal pot market. It still exists because it is cheaper on the streets than at the dispenseries.

The biggest benifit would be hopefully a drop in our jailed and imprisoned population.

 

[jwheat]

45 an eighth is cheaper than what you can get 3.5 grams where im from. especially the quality that you would be getting at the dispensary

 

[AustinTXCat]

Couple of things... Legalizing drugs wouldn't stop drug cartels as organized crime has been with us as long as prostitution...they would at best just move to another activity or expand their other niches like human trafficking.

In Colorado making pot legal has not stopped the illegal pot market. It still exists because it is cheaper on the streets than at the dispensaries.

The biggest benefit would be hopefully a drop in our jailed and imprisoned population.

^^Truth. Incarceration costs are not cheap and rise yearly.

By the way, a great resource for what's happening within the current CO pot scene is The Cannabist, which is run by the Denver Post newspaper.

 

[jwheat]

Granted I dont know what they charge for the ounce at the dispensaries, which is what I buy

 

[mashburned]

Yes, love that argument.

Drugs are as cheap as the dirt they come from. You will not ever put the producers out of business. You will just change the market price....which I don't think people really want to do. Money is money. A lot of people benefit from the drug trade. Legal or illegal.

Why haven't we shut down the cartels?

 

[AustinTXCat]

Why haven't we shut down the cartels?

Simple answer: Too much money at stake.

 

[dgtatu01]

Yes, absolutely. I believe that 200%. That's the safest bet in this thread, imho.

I don't think we'll ever see full legalization in the south. MMJ and it will be highly "regulated". Will probably be as effective as the pill ordeal. Meaning, pot will be everywhere (like it is now) but there will be grey areas to circumvent the medical part, and police will spend a lot of money and time trying to enforce the responsible sale of pot for the responsible patients who need it.

Our best bet is federal law. And that's not a bad bet. I could see that happening in 10+ years. If it's up to KY, though, we'll be waiting a long time.

You are absolutely correct. This state is the absolute slowest state in the country to change. It is really funny that 2 of our biggest industries are Horse Racing and Bourbon as it seems these are opposed to everything politicians in this state are for.

 

[mashburned]

http://www.ibtimes.com/marijuana-costs-us-how-black-market-retail-medical-pot-prices-compare-1622362

Interesting.

 

[Ukbrassowtipin]

Drug companies lobby pretty hard for it to stay illegal...bc you can't slap a patent on something that exists naturally. And they know their antidepressants, anxiety, and several other drugs dissappear

 

[bcw1029]

California hasn't legalized recreational pot, but they're not exactly tightly controlling medical pot.

It's on the Nov 2016 ballot referendum. Will likely pass.

 

[We-Todd-Did]

The biggest benifit would be hopefully a drop in our jailed and imprisoned population.

I've heard several stories about people traveling out of Colorado running into road blocks set up specifically to catch people with weed. I could see Kentucky doing this and ending up with more people imprisoned than ever. I guess it could be profitable if you issue fines but repeat offenders do time.

 

[jwheat]

Is Taylor County trying to become wet?

 

[dgtatu01]

Drug companies lobby pretty hard for it to stay illegal...bc you can't slap a patent on something that exists naturally. And they know their antidepressants, anxiety, and several other drugs dissappear

There is a lady at my church who would never touch a drop of alcohol, but she takes a zanax 3 or 4 days a week to "take the edge off". Can't we all just accept having a few beers or smoking a doob every now and again just makes life a little more enjoyable?

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

Couple of things... Legalizing drugs wouldn't stop drug cartels as organized crime has been with us as long as prostitution...they would at best just move to another activity or expand their other niches like human trafficking.

In Colorado making pot legal has not stopped the illegal pot market. It still exists because it is cheaper on the streets than at the dispenseries.

The biggest benifit would be hopefully a drop in our jailed and imprisoned population.

This may be true; however, if drug are legal then they will be cheaper than the price the cartels want. Hell pot grows like crazy in Kentucy

There is a lady at my church who would never touch a drop of alcohol, but she takes a zanax 3 or 4 days a week to "take the edge off". Can't we all just accept having a few beers or smoking a doob every now and again just makes life a little more enjoyable?

Maybe her preacher needs to lecture her on the evils of Zanax instead of Alcohol. [winking]

 

[jwheat]

I just wanna stroke an opium plant so I can have something to put in my doobs

 

[fuzz77]

This may be true; however, if drug are legal then they will be cheaper than the price the cartels want. Hell pot grows like crazy in Kentucy

The cartels are making billions upon billions of $$$...all tax free. If you cut it in half their only making billions...hardly a deterrent from that POV. Pot is small piece of that revenue stream, cocaine, heroin, and many other street drugs remain.
It does somewhat shrink their market for pot as most people are going to pay extra to not put themselves in legal jeopardy.
But not really my main point... Cartels are simply organized crime. If not drugs it will be prostitution, human trafficking, kidnapping...there is no shortage of other crimes in which they can and already do participate.

Hey, I'm for legalization of pot...just being real about what problems it would and would not resolve.

 

[uk_bill]

IMO just another revenue stream for governments...basically a tax on the poor...the police will quickly follow with breathalyzer tests for pot DUI and ****...

I don't care one way or the other personally...stopped smoking in college once I could buy bourbon

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

UK Bill, do you really believe the cop are out to get you?

 

[mashburned]

Do you really think police won't take pot dui's as serious, if not more, than alcohol dui's?

Quit baiting and playing dumb. Cops will pull you for a seatbelt, but you know that.

 

[P.PattersonISwalkingthruthatdoor]

UK Bill, do you really believe the cop are out to get you?

Do you really believe cops aren't encouraged to get X number of encounters, Y number of citations, and/or Z number of arrests?

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Do you really believe cops aren't encouraged to get X number of encounters, Y number of citations, and/or Z number of arrests?

They are here to Serve and Protect! It says so on their uniforms.

 

[AustinTXCat]

Do you really believe cops aren't encouraged to get X number of encounters, Y number of citations, and/or Z number of arrests?

I think they are. Got stopped in FL on I-75 in Alachua County this past April. Cop said, "we must make so many stops per day". He let us go with a warning for following too close. He clocked me at 73 MPH in a 70 zone. I was tailgating some old boy ahead of me. Please refrain from notifying the cycling thread. TIA!

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

Do you really believe cops aren't encouraged to get X number of encounters, Y number of citations, and/or Z number of arrests?

Absolutely NO!

I was involved in local government for ten years. I never advised my Police Commissioner to EVER do **** like this. In fact in Kentucky the local police get one dollar per citation, the rest goes to the State. The purpose of that is to stop cities from using the police as a source of income.