everything was a good hire. McCray had a great resume'... etc. Nope. Wanted to hear his slant, and after 20 minutes... turned it off
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Listened to my 1st Boneyard in a very very LONG time.. excuse after excuse
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He is close with Cohen so he's going to defend him, even over MSU.
It’s easy to judge his hires in the rear view mirror. I can’t think of a single hire that wasn’t initially praised by people in the college athletics world. Leach was probably the biggest WTF hire he made because a lot of people said his offense wouldn’t work in the SEC. The other hires were all younger rising stars in their sports which is what we are going to get at State, either that or an older retread. I don’t look at Cohens hires as being his failures, I look at marketing and fund raising as being his failures. I don’t think he was a very forward thinker and didn’t surround himself with people who excelled in his weaknesses.
What's the latest in the fake rasslin world?
I can only speak for me. The moorehead thing really left me with a wtf moment. We were a legit top 25 program at the time and there had to have been strong interest from experienced/qualified head coaches at the time. And to go with basically an unproven assistant tainted my view of Cohen from then on.
Couldn't finish the episode. Saying a large majority of our fans wanted Gary Henderson to get the full time job is BS.
Cohen hired 3 coaches that didn't last 2 seasons. Had McCray not had health issues she was done.
Cohen hired 3 coaches that didn't last 2 seasons. Had McCray not had health issues she was done.
Joe Judge was apparently the target until the Giants saved us.
in general I think Cohen’s best quality was evaluating coaches. And that was hit or miss.
I appreciate his service. And he was fine. But he was also allowed to use MSU for on the job training when he would’ve had a hard time getting an assistant AD job in any admin capacity anywhere else. I don’t begrudge someone improving themselves, but that shows some ingratitude in my opinion.
Dude 17 that ‘looked good on paper’ BS. Either the hire was good or it wasn’t. Moorhead wasn’t. His plan of attack was bad from the beginning.
On the other hand, I don’t judge him for Cannizzaro. That was a good hire and directly helped us acquire talent needed to win a national title. He knew what the MSU baseball program needed.
And that’s where it ends for Cohen. He was/is a baseball guy. Not an AD.
Always felt cohen used him as a mouth piece. Now he is worried where he will get his scoop from. Like always party ties.
I still believe rosebowl is our yancy.
All he cares about is selling books on stuff he did and sold that he did to um. Which basically amounted to nothing for their program
This. Was very surprised he went that route. Penn state at that. Franklin coaching tree had no solid background. Was a huge gamble when our program was solid. Cohen went all in to make us a finess passing football program. it's changed our identify for better or worse. Right now jury is still out.
Soccer seems better
Softball seems better
volleyball seems better.
all of those don't generate money though.
Baseball we won a national championship but that hire was an accident and baseball has always been his thing so he knew it. We had been good in baseball for a while and that natty shine is not as bright since um got one the very next year.
mens basketball no better. Hire seems good but we will see. Basketball atmosphere sucks. I blame Strick for that though. And cohen did nothing to help.
F it
women's bball. All rumors point to cohen running Vic off. Some Vic's fault. Some cohens. His first hire there was terrible to have a top 8 program at the time. Now we aren't even a tournament team. Purcell may be good but we have come a long way from Vic.
Football above all pays the bills. Long gone are the days of our consecutive sell outs. I don't fully blame cohen, Covid didn't help but a lot of it was his lack of attention to understand that football is king and cash cow. Have to market it and the game day experience. The coach has to be something the fans get fired up over. Moorhead hire wasn't it. That killed it. Leach is eccentric and a past winner, but not a super energetic fan favorite either. He's quirked and media loves him for quirky crap but exciting football gets nuts in the seats. Air raid or his version is not exciting. It's the drawn out version of 3 yds and cloud of dust and clock control. So not exactly exacting hire there to keep fans engaged.
need some new blood that understands this
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Have you ever read her interview on that?
She stated pretty clearly that the health issue was the stress of covid on her mentally. Had zero to do with cancer etc...
Yesterday on F'baum, while evaluating Cohen, Paawwlll said JoMo was a reach.
All a smoke screen. She's already back as an assistant at Rutgers.
Agree with the premise, but not about the strong interest. Getting a coach post-Mullen was always going to be tough. Sort of like following up Saban at Alabama. So, I wouldn't have been mad about a second-tier type guy. What I was mad about, is that he took everything we had built, and totally disassembled it (on the offensive side). It was truly unbelievable. So by year 2, I'm like well I can't change it may as well ride it out and hope this passing crap works. I'm still that way with Leach, I'm very skeptical, but we'll see, we're married to it now.
We literally would have been better just hiring Todd Grantham. And if he sucked 3 years from then, oh well, we're in the exact same place.
Yep. Penson quit on MSU. It had NOTHING to do with cancer. That was purely our butthurt fans running with that excuse. She was a terrible coach and good riddance.
Those that wanted Henderson are the same ones that wanted Cohen to stay and that is obviously a very small %, not a "large majority"
It’s not your job as the AD to make hires that look good on paper. It’s your job to make hires that are actually good. Joe blow on 6pack praising the hires don’t mean anything. We aren’t qualified or paid to know who is going to be a good hire. The AD is, or is supposed to be. Cohen made a bunch of bad hires.
Yea the health reasons was a cover. Some people that cover msu womens hoops told me that directly. She was allowed to use that as an excuse to leave.
Rosie mentioned that he asked IB directly if there was truth to the rumor and IB told him absolutely not, which was a lie. I understand if he wanted to keep it covered up, but if they were truly friends, he would have told him something like "Steve, I can't answer that." If I'm Rosie, that would burn me. As for Rosie saying we should be proud that we have ADs wanted by other SEC schools and it is in our best interest having Templeton at the SEC office, Byrne at Bama, Stricklin at Flawda, and now IB at the Barn. That is BS. We could send our ADs to all the SEC schools and it would not help us one bit. These guys are focused on their present jobs/schools and maroon is in their rearview mirror. Them leaving makes us look undesirable and just a stepping stone job.
You lost me at this part because it’s not true. It makes us look like a great stepping stone if anything. We can’t help if we lose people to higher payer jobs.
Not the same as following saban. Mullen didn't win championships. Mullen left us in a strong successful place to build off of. We were much more attractive as a job as anywhere and any time in our history. Mullen got to stay 9 years had a lot of success and had time to have done 6 win years to rebuild back to 8 wins. That's really attractive plus being in the sec. Moorhead was a big gamble like Mullen was when we didn't have to. Mullen also had a championship pedigree and multiple years of success as a coordinator at multiple power 5 and g5 schools snd had been in the SEC. Moorhead was just a good OC at penn state with a coach he had barely coached with. That was just fubar from a rookie that didn't understand the situation. He got leach because the other power 5 schools steered cleared and it was late January too late to get in the game with anyone else because he 17ed up Moorhead firing and waited too late. Baseball has always been our thing but John was in over his head with everything else.