LOCKED - OM's D is good, but

[57stratdawg]

They have gotten a great draw against rushing teams so far this season. Average rushing yards per game in the SEC:

#10 - Texas AM
#11 - OM
#12 - Missouri
#13 - Vandy
#14 - Tenn

Itll be interesting to see if that front 4 can control stronger team's rushing attack. Bama put up about 170 on them.

Just something to to keep an eye on.

 

[esplanade91]

Surprising to see Vandy isn't last in something.

 

[coach66]

It is really the only unanswered question. Their D is awesome no doubt but I

felt like Bama and Boise to a lesser extent could have beaten them had they committed to the power running game. I am still puzzled by Bama's play in the second half.

If they lose it will be because this flaw is exposed or their offense turns the ball over a bunch and gets them beat but Bo has been playing well lately.

 

[RockstarFromMars]

Bama ran the ball 25 times in the first half for 98 yards (3.92) and 19 times in the 2nd half for 70 yards. (3.7) Alabama threw the ball 15 times in the first half and 16 in the second half. I don't see where they really got away from or did anything differently.

 

[Dawgfan61]

TO THE RESCUE!!!!!!

 

[coach66]

Turning point in the game to me was Bama's first drive of the second half. They

rammed it right up the middle very successfully down to your 20 yard line and appeared to be poised to
take a 21- 3 lead which I think would have put it out of reach and the running game would have continued. Instead of continuing to just pound away they try to throw it three straight or go outside and get pushed out of field goal range. Game flipped.

I think if you asked Bama what they would do differently if they played you again they would agree with me. Regardless, you guys have an outstanding defense.

 

[RockstarFromMars]

Oh, this post again.

 

[RockstarFromMars]

I imagine they would be if sacks didn't count against team rushing. Tennessee has giving up somewhere around ten thousand sacks or so.

 

[memphisdawg]

What did Yeldon average? 6.2 YPC? I guess Sims getting sacked helped you out a little bit too huh?

Bottom line: they keep feeding Yeldon, they win. They gave it away with the fumble and putting the game in Sims's hands.

 

[Sutterkane]

Interesting. Yeldon averages 5.3 on the year. So he was actually doing *better* than he normally does.

 

[Seinfeld]

I've had very similar feelings all season long. Don't get me wrong, I've gotta give OM's defense credit where credit is due. They are an outstanding squad, and they're flat out not going to give any QB time to do much more than quickly dump the ball a few yards downfield. They also have a knack for forcing big TOs and then more importantly, scoring points off of them.

That said, I also think it's fair to say that they're highly dependent on their D coming up with big plays, and I can't help but think that they're just not gonna happen at some point this season. Maybe it's this weekend in BR or maybe OM keeps doing it all season. Who knows at this point, but I just feel like at some point, a talented OC or two is gonna figure them out. We'll see...

 

[AHSDawg]

Beating TSUN is a lot more simple than anyone is saying.

You beat them by doing 2 things. you COMMIT to running the ball. Alabama did not commit to it.

And, #2, and most importantly, you DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY TURNOVERS. You do this and they will struggle. I really do need to be paid for this. And for the lurkers that would say "Auburn gave you the ball". I would say this. NO, they did not. Everyone of the TOs in that game were caused. aTm just lobs up an interception that gets returned for a TD and then the QB breaks away for a run and just leaves the ball on the ground. THAT IS NOT CAUSING A TO. They is benefitting from the other team.

 

[codeDawg]

rammed it right up the middle very successfully down to your 20 yard line and appeared to be poised to
take a 21- 3 lead which I think would have put it out of reach and the running game would have continued. Instead of continuing to just pound away they try to throw it three straight or go outside and get pushed out of field goal range. Game flipped.

I think if you asked Bama what they would do differently if they played you again they would agree with me. Regardless, you guys have an outstanding defense.

You see so many teams do this same thing. I think offensive coordinators get nervous about the short field taking out the deep ball treat or see the safeties playing closer and want to take advantage. I'm a proponent of riding the horse that got you where you are.

This is also my single big complaint about Mullen. He likes to take high risk gambles when he has something that is already working.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Lots of good homer play in this thread. Glad to see it's not just our fans that are struggling with coming to grips with the fact that their rival that's usually been mediocre to bad is actually really stinking good at the same time you're finally really stinking good too.

Hint: Both teams have flaws (like all teams do), but neither of them are bad enough to make either team easy to beat, no matter how much any of us may wish it so.

 

[hatfieldms]

Do you really believe our team does steroids?

I don't know why you won't answer this

 

[natchezdawg]

I say give him a day to answer or he gets the ban hammer. I could do without him, personally.

 

[hatfieldms]

I say by 5:00 today

If he believes it I would love to know where he is getting his info

 

[johnson86-1]

You see so many teams do this same thing. I think offensive coordinators get nervous about the short field taking out the deep ball treat or see the safeties playing closer and want to take advantage. I'm a proponent of riding the horse that got you where you are.

I think it's just hard for a lot of OC's to really call a grind it out game. If Kiffen had ridden Yeldon and their next biggest back, he would have had a lot of drives stall out. Trying to get 75 yards 3 to 5 yards at a time and one bad play can cause you to stall out. But if he would have done that, I suspect that in the second half 3 to 5 yds woudl have turned into 4-6 or even more. But if it doesn't happen, it looks like he just called an entire game of virtually nothing but running plays up the middle, and fans are not going to buy that that was the best game plan. THey woudl claim he had no creativity and played too conservative. You have to really have confidence in what you are doing. That's why I think Beliema and Malzhan are going to be tough matchups. In last year's Iron Bowl, Malzahn was very methodical about mixing up inside and outside runs, even when it looked like the inside runs were futile, because he knew keeping Bama honest on the inside was the only way to get outside. I'm guessing this year against UM will be the opposite. He'll run outside to keep them honest but do damage up the middle. I think Beliema wouldn't move away from the run even if he needed to, so I'm guessing Arkansas will do as good of a job as anybody wearing UM's D out.

That said, UM has apparently been playing a lot of DL, so maybe they are deep enough that they won't be as worn out in the second half this year.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Probably not, but it gets a rise out of you, so it's fun message boarding.

 

[AHSDawg]

I do agree with this. While I do think that TSUN is a very good team, I do think your hole's can be more glaring than ours.

While I posted earlier my thoughts on the Defense, I think the biggest issue for TSUN is the OL. I am continued to be amazed at the lack of talent there. And, before anyone criticizes my thinking, I love OL. I watch it more than any non-paid person should. TSUN has an offense that is centered around the ball not being in the QBs hands long. It is virtually impossible to get a sack on Wallace. This is not due to quality OL play. It is due to the fact that the ball is gone. TSUN does not give up sacks and thus the casual observer feels that the OL must be good. This is not the case. Outside of Tunsil, there is maybe only one other player that would start at most schools. The RG (#68 I think) is absolutely horrid. He gives up sacks on 3 step drops. AT GUARD. That is virtually impossible to do unless you get completely whipped right off the snap. I will save you the story. He continually gets whipped right off the snap. Tunsil is very good but I will tell you this. He is lazy. He has been conditioned to be able to get away with being lazy. He knows he only has to be good for about 3 seconds. He continually gives up on the play and does not continue to work.

I say all of that to tell you this. If you take away Wallace's first option, you beat TSUN. They do not give Wallace the time to get through his reads. That is why you man up on Treadwell with help over the top. If you can commit to rushing only 4 and can get pressure, you can beat them.

 

[Arloguthrie]

Man, we're dropping like flies. Godspeed, Bruiser. Did Victory Red get the ax? I've noticed he doesn't post anymore. And ket? Who does that leave - OP4, RockstarFromMars, & me? I'm probably forgetting some. Stay strong, Rebel Spin Army.

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[hatfieldms]

It doesn't get a rise out of me

Just remember someone on here claiming that were saying on nafoom that our players are doing steroids. I'm just curious where you got that from

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Oh hat, t's just fun message boarding.

 

[Drebin]

Probably not, but it gets a rise out of you, so it's fun message boarding.

This answer is almost as sincere as Freeze's reaction when Ole Miss scored that last TD against UT.

 

[RockstarFromMars]

We did have a few years of mediocre OL recruiting but it has gotten much, much better thankfully.

 

[UncommonDore]

Surprising to see Vandy isn't last in something.

Surprising to see Vandy is still being counted as an SEC team.

 

[Chesusdog]

He was terrible against UT.

 

[DerHntr]

Lots of good homer play in this thread. Glad to see it's not just our fans that are struggling with coming to grips with the fact that their rival that's usually been mediocre to bad is actually really stinking good at the same time you're finally really stinking good too.

Hint: Both teams have flaws (like all teams do), but neither of them are bad enough to make either team easy to beat, no matter how much any of us may wish it so.

I'll wait patiently for your post on Nafoom later that tells everyone how you owned us in this thread and that we are all gigantic homers while OM doesn't have people post like we do.

 

[Reb_Among_Dogs]

What did Yeldon average? 6.2 YPC? I guess Sims getting sacked helped you out a little bit too huh?

Bottom line: they keep feeding Yeldon, they win. They gave it away with the fumble and putting the game in Sims's hands.

Premise: Bama was able to pound the ball and would have won if they kept doing so.

Exhibit A: Yeldon averaged 6.2 YPC.

Rebuttal: Yeldon is not Bama's power back, Henry is. Henry only averaged 2.2 YPC. So, when they tried to pound up the middle, they had little success.

Exhibit B: Sims getting sacked helped lower Bama's YPC against Ole Miss' run D.

Rebuttal: Ole Miss sacked Sims 1 time for a 4-yard loss. If you take that away, Bama's YPC goes from 3.8 to 4.0, or a full 1.2 YPC below their average (which does include sacks).

You're reaching.

 

[Reb_Among_Dogs]

If it is so simple then why has no one done it yet?

 

[Hammer Down]

What did Yeldon average? 6.2 YPC? I guess Sims getting sacked helped you out a little bit too huh?

Bottom line: they keep feeding Yeldon, they win. They gave it away with the fumble and putting the game in Sims's hands.

They also got completely screwed high and dry on that facemask no-call touchdown.

They won, fair and square, even against the refs.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Just remember someone on here claiming that were saying on nafoom that our players are doing steroids. I'm just curious where you got that from

It was all over message boards after Balis left, people suggesting he was forced to leave for that reason. Just good intertube rumors. Nothing more.

 

[coach66]

The Killing Fields

messageboardgenocide*

 

[dogfan96]

I'm pretty sure he just told you why...

the teams you've played either can't run the ball (everybody but Bama) or won't run the ball (Bama).. Yeldon was over 100 yards and averaging over 6 yards per carry. They were running power left repeatedly and the bears couldn't stop it. But Kiffin, as he is wont to do, went to the pass bc you can only be a genius by passing the ball a lot and Kiffin fancies himself an offensive genius. Let's be honest. You got gifted the game on the special teams fumble in plus territory.

 

[Reb_Among_Dogs]

the teams you've played either can't run the ball (everybody but Bama) or won't run the ball (Bama).. Yeldon was over 100 yards and averaging over 6 yards per carry. They were running power left repeatedly and the bears couldn't stop it. But Kiffin, as he is wont to do, went to the pass bc you can only be a genius by passing the ball a lot and Kiffin fancies himself an offensive genius. Let's be honest. You got gifted the game on the special teams fumble in plus territory.

So we got gifted the game by legitimately forcing a fumble in a tie game, but Bama wasn't gifted even being in the game by a no-call scoop-and-score to go up 11?

Right. Like I said. Reaching.

 

[RockstarFromMars]

The stats do not reflect your narrative. Bama threw it 15 times in the first half, 16 in the second half. Bama ran it 44 times as a team, 25 in the first half, 19 in the second half. We adjusted to the power left that Yeldon was running and they went away from it. When they tried to run it up the middle with Henry, it was ineffective (Henry ran it 17 times for 37 yards.)

 

[ByersFarm]

Premise: Bama was able to pound the ball and would have won if they kept doing so.

Exhibit A: Yeldon averaged 6.2 YPC.

Rebuttal: Yeldon is not Bama's power back, Henry is. Henry only averaged 2.2 YPC. So, when they tried to pound up the middle, they had little success.

Exhibit B: Sims getting sacked helped lower Bama's YPC against Ole Miss' run D.

Rebuttal: Ole Miss sacked Sims 1 time for a 4-yard loss. If you take that away, Bama's YPC goes from 3.8 to 4.0, or a full 1.2 YPC below their average (which does include sacks).

You're reaching.

Henry is not BAMA's power back. Neither are a power back. They both need quality blocking to get up to speed.They ran off LT the entire drive behind Robinson. What you were able to do was stack the box and dare Blake Sims to throw down field, which he has shown he can't do very well. You're pass D won that game. That and Blake Sims missed pass to OJ Howard in the end zone. Had he thrown the ball over his left shoulder we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[ByersFarm]

So we got gifted the game by legitimately forcing a fumble in a tie game, but Bama wasn't gifted even being in the game by a no-call scoop-and-score to go up 11?

Right. Like I said. Reaching.

You didn't cause Jones to fumble, he's been doing a great job of that on his own. The refs may have missed the face mask call, but they more than made up for it by the end of the game. This is not uncommon, refs always give a team the benefit of the doubt on calls after they blow one.

 

[Reb_Among_Dogs]

You didn't cause Jones to fumble, he's been doing a great job of that on his own. The refs may have missed the face mask call, but they more than made up for it by the end of the game. This is not uncommon, refs always give a team the benefit of the doubt on calls after they blow one.

Please tell me how Ole Miss got the benefit of the doubt throughout that game.

And yes, Henry is the power back (as in the guy they try to pound with). Telson gets a share of those, but most of his runs will be to the outside with a pulling guard. The stats show this.

Take off your maroon glasses for the slightest of seconds.

 

[ColonelJohnSartoris]

Henry is not BAMA's power back. Neither are a power back. They both need quality blocking to get up to speed.They ran off LT the entire drive behind Robinson. What you were able to do was stack the box and dare Blake Sims to throw down field, which he has shown he can't do very well. You're pass D won that game. That and Blake Sims missed pass to OJ Howard in the end zone. Had he thrown the ball over his left shoulder we wouldn't be having this conversation.

You didn't cause Jones to fumble, he's been doing a great job of that on his own. The refs may have missed the face mask call, but they more than made up for it by the end of the game. This is not uncommon, refs always give a team the benefit of the doubt on calls after they blow one.

Wow, you're really writing your own history book.

Check out Henry's bio from the Alabama website . He's 240 pounds and is most definitely the power back. They were ineffective at pounding him up the middle (what most State fans state would be OM's downfall). Earlier in the game they were effective at running Yeldon to the left side but Wommack made some defensive adjustments and that was shut down which forced Sims to throw.

It's difficult to even address your "didn't cause Jones to fumble" claim. Channing Ward definitely punched the ball out and recorded a "forced fumble." I have a feeling you're just an Ole Miss fan trying to make State fans look crazy because this is pure hogville level of batshit.