I understand that they didn't choose to be furloughed but that's also true in the private sector. If a company is struggling and has a 3 week layoff the employees aren't paid.
It's illegal not to pay them and even worse, Trump has implied that it may only apply to the ones who didn't vote for him.
if you accept that shutdowns are mostly, if not always, political, it is my position that the more political pressure applied yields the fastest conclusion. Right now, the idea of paying federal employees back pay removes a key variable of political pressure. Remove that back pay and shutdown decisions become more costly politically for both parties.
I never make things up. Ever
"Same applies for the people who make the decision to shutdown. Members of Congress should not be paid for the shutdown period.
You're absolutely making things up. You changed "It depends on who we're taking about" into "people who didn't vote for him".
Re-read what I said.
I read and reread what you posted. You're making stuff up.
Just answer the question - who could he be talking about when he says "some people that really don't deserve to be taken care of?" Besides the fact that it's a sadistic comment, who among the involuntarily furloughed, in particular, wouldn't deserve it?
"serving in the military." He/she/the/them/they absolutely makes things up. IT has no idea how things work. I made that idiot a promise I would never respond to IT again.
Tell the truth Hambone - you blocked me because I blew up your stupid, hateful, countrified *** so many times, you couldn't take it anymore, so you ran and hid. You aren't fooling anyone.
Trump is bombastic and he makes a lot of unfiltered comments. In this case I think he's referring to positions / agencies that he doesn't think provide sufficient value. I don't think there's ANY chance that he'd select individual people based on how they voted. Like I asked, do you really think he would pay republican military but not democrat military? ZERO CHANCE of that happening.
Are you active military working through the shutdown?
Just pointing out that he was reading an implication one way, and you were reading what he means another way. He is not giving him any benefit of the doubt, you are giving him the benefit of the doubt. One can argue whether one position is using the available evidence to interpret better, etc, but what that evidence is would also be disputed.
He didn't specify who he was talking about and I doubt he meant all Democrats even if they serve in the military, that's you filling in the blank. But he very well could mean an agency that he considers left-leaning but who knows with that sadistic imbecile.
Republicans favor certain government agencies and democrats favor others. That's no secret. Biden forgave student loans and republicans didn't like it.
A lot of Dem’s didn’t like it as well. Including on this board.
Now you're changing the subject again but treating government workers like they're villains is disgusting and it's taking a real toll on their mental health. I know it's in fashion now but it's a horrible way to treat these people who choose to serve their country. There are no Democratic or Republican agencies, just American ones and that's the way they've always been seen until this obnoxious regime took office.
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Now you're changing the subject again but treating government workers like they're villains is disgusting and it's taking a real toll on their mental health. I know it's in fashion now but it's a horrible way to treat these people who choose to serve their country. There are no Democratic or Republican agencies, just American ones and that's the way they've always been seen until this obnoxious regime took office.
‘We’re just beaten’: For beleaguered federal workers, shutdown is last straw
Staffers are working without pay or on furlough — all after months of job cuts, and as the president vows to slash more agencies.
‘A never-ending nightmare’: Federal workers detail mental health toll of government downsizing
Federal employees say in a new survey that they are experiencing high levels of anxiety, stress, sleep deprivation, anger outbursts and depression.
If Republicans really cared about the debt they would have allowed the tax cuts to expire or at the very least, taken a smaller cut.
According to reports IRS just furloughed about 34000 employees. These won't get paid either during period of furlough, again according to reports
Yes and as I told you Trump speaks without a filter. But nowhere did he say that he was going to fire people who didn't vote for him. that's just you making stuff up.
I don't like that at all. Of course none of this would even be necessary if democrats would sign the short term funding bill. I'm old enough to remember democrats complain when republicans did the same thing.
it's all a game. Everybody knows that the ACA subsidies will be extended. Maybe not permanently but at least from some period, According to reports even some House democrats are now proposing a one year extension with future negotiations over long term amounts. Republicans just upped the ante with these furloughs. We'll see what democrats do to strengthen their position while taxpayers/voters become the losers.
I come back to may basic question..How many republicans voted for the CR? How many democrats voted for the CR?
well I don't think the president was right. Don't tell me that you now are using the president as the factual source for your posts.
The government is out of spending authority. Republicans passed a short term extension bill that requires 60 votes in the senate but only 3 democrats voted for it. It seems clear that democrats are the ones shutting the government down.
Republicans could still reopen the government if they wanted to by using the nuclear option, just like they did a couple weeks ago. They've proven they don't care about bi-partisanship so why not use it?
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so now Marjorie Taylor Greene is a saint to those on the left. Seems like just yesterday she was the reincarnation of the devil. Boy, how times have changed.Republicans could still reopen the government if they wanted to by using the nuclear option, just like they did a couple weeks ago. They've proven they don't care about bi-partisanship so why not use it?
US House lawmaker urges Senate Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to end shutdown
'If Republican Senators wanted to pass the CR and reopen the government they could, by using the nuclear option,' says Marjorie Taylor Greene - Anadolu Ajansı
Ignore who said it and focus on the fact that a member of the majority party agrees they could reopen the government if they wanted to.
I can promise you that the left is as baffled as you are that they agree with MTG.
If you've paid attention, she's voiced several differences she has with her party lately and recently said Republicans don't respect women. Plus, she's been in a nasty, bitter twitter fight with Trump's favorite attack dog Laura Loomer lol. I think she's starting to forge a new path that finds her aligning more and more with democrats. It's wild I tell ya lol.
yoshi, I love how your mind works...she's crazy but this time she's not. Maybe this time she's crazy and all the other times she wasn't Not likely though, normally she's even a little too far out for me
