kansas defense can't stop either the pass or run. baylor would have scored 100+ if they didn't ease up.
bowen is a continuing disaster for the jayhawks.
bowen is a continuing disaster for the jayhawks.
Love this: Banker on McMullen
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Simple response...
We've played so much zone the past few years we don't cover very well man to man. We can't ride the hip of a reciever and run with him with any fluidity. And if we can't do that we can't look back for the ball.
It was fair...I was having a little fun today. I went back and deleted most of the posts in this thread about blackshirts or husker players because that isn't fair. They dedicate a lot of time and effort for the program-so they shouldn't be questioned.
I think Kalu and J Rose are both very good athletes and both have shown very good potential (at times), so it isn't a lack of athletic ability in my opinion. If they are being coached to use proper eye control-it shouldn't take that long to coach. A lot of it has to do with route recognition from film study. Some of it has to do with repetition-that shouldn't be the issue because they had spring-summer and fall to work on it...it really isn't rocket science. Vernon Hargraves III came and played that way as a true freshman, so did Jalen Tabor and Quincy Wilson. So if true freshmen can pick it up in their first year, these guys can too.
Really, I don't know enough about this staff to know what they teach them...maybe they are doing exactly what they are coached to do...I have no idea.
We've all experienced trying to forget learned bad habits. Now let's just concentrate on coaches teaching techniques.There's got to be a learning curve even in the best of situations. And we can agree this probably hasn't been the best of situations. It will get better!
Thanks. Appreciate it. There's just been so dang many trolls on here lately. I also agree with some of the other guys on here. Usually you bring good stuff here.
So why troll? We have a new staff, a tough start to the season, and recruits openly commenting on fans being rough on Riley et al. We go on the road and beat a team that has beat us the last two years, the players had a blast, the fans had a blast, and you feel like you need to troll?
Why? Because you think I lose sleep over it? Not a wink. I just don't think our new coaching staff deserves to have a fan base that ***** on them before they even have a chance to get ONE class on campus.
It's pathetic.
It is worse than that...there are even Io_a fans here.
My concerns with the defense or Riley is not trolling.
I have said it before and I will say it again...there is not a fan base in the country that does not have fans that piss and moan. I have been on Rivals and followed recruiting since Rivals began. I have yet to see one recruit, in all that time, choose to go to another school because fans piss and moan. They go to other schools because coaches get in the player's ear about the record of the school and put it in their head that the coaches won't be there long.
I don't think you guys realize what recruiting is...you have been in conferences where teams had gentleman's agreement not to recruit other players once they gave verbals. Urban and Harbaugh are going to bring this conference into the tough, cut-throat business that recruiting has been down south for years.
Everyone should be excited. Last weekend was easily the best performance of the year so far. The key now is to back up that performance this weekend.
Brah…you just said you were trolling in a previous post.
I know exactly what recruiting is and how it works. Trust...
No, I said I was mostly having fun. That had to do with the blackshirts. I have been pretty consistent with my feelings on Riley and especially Banker.
Ok. It might be worth noting; however, that every one else calls that trolling.
Well I'll simply finish by noting that assigning a 'grade' to MR, MR, and SE at this point is very silly in my opinion. I'd be surprised if you would want to be judged at your job in the earliest stages of employment as your getting settled (which is exactly what I'd call our situation given the timeframe these things operate on).
So are the people that defend the coaching staff trolling then too? Is any opinion you have trolling? We must have different definitions of trolling.
You could give them an incomplete grade and I wouldn't disagree. The grade was just my opinion a little past the half way point at the season. The coaches have plenty of time to turn things around. The schedule is not difficult coming down the stretch. Really no good reason that Nebraska doesn't finish with 7-8 regular season wins this year.
According to how things tend to go here, if you thought Bo should have kept his job over the last couple of years, you were trolling (and no I did not think this). If you offer negative opinions about this year's staff, you are trolling. I have a hard time finding anyone who consistently presents a view outside of the majority opinion who is not called a troll.
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Don't know if you saw my thread. Article explaining how a deep ball is played, at least from a fair number of NFL names.
Just based on that article and both Banker and Stewart NFL background I would assume our general concept is the same. Key difference might be that we aren't "in phase" as the article notes, and so turning back for the ball wouldn't be the acceptable play. Our guys are struggling to make the right reads at time and get a jump on routes, so i would anticipate as they get better at it, staying on the hip and turning might happen more often. Both Ralph Brown and Jay foreman have noted that Cover 4 can be complicated for DB's.
They have their moments, after getting whipped like a mule, I saw Jones make a very nice play down the sideline more or less following the linked techniques.
At the very minimum, I took away from the article that "building a secondary takes quite a bit of time". Its funny that you point out Bama, Bama's secondary (and QB situation) has been relatively modest for some time, despite stellar recruiting. On the whole they are playing better than ours is (but on the whole they are more talented, in a system for longer, and have the greatest coach in the current era) but they still make a lot of the bonehead mistakes our guys make.
Trolling is very simple....you have a negative vibe in your comments that shows negativism rather optimism re our beloved huskers.
Newsbreak, Banker has failed. The fact that you haven't realized this makes me think you lack a brain. 35th in strength of schedule and we are 3-4. Only 1 of those teams is ranked in the top 30. But it's cool. We beat Minnesota, wow. That must mean that Eichorst knows what he was doing. We can have the worst record in school history since 1959 but by god, we better beat those gophers. Eichorst did fire Bo for losing the games that mattered. Maybe he meant Minnesota by "games that mattered".
Look I want NU to succeed very badly. I want Riley to succeed. I give zero F's about Eichorst and Banker. They are the worst. I'd rather MR give Hank Hughes or Trent Bray the title and see what those guys could do as DC. We already know what Banker can do. We saw his losing Defenses at San Diego, Oregon State, and now at NU. It's a consistent partner and if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, guess what it probably is?
Some people are just naturally negative. I wouldn't call that trolling. Trolling to me is stating an opinion you have in such a way as to get a rise out of someone for your own entertainment. Precisely what NG2 said he was doing.
We use the word troll around here too much. Some people are just naturally negative and want desperately to spread that around to "save the program from mediocrity". Doesn't make them a troll, just frustrating for those of us with patience.
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A pigeon?
We get it, you have been crystal clear in every single post ever posted about these coaches.
All some people are saying is give it some time. The defense has been injured, and seems to be showing some positive signs... If they don't figure it out eventually, guess what? You can proudly toot your horn that you were right and we will all have to take it. In fact, we will agree with you.
But some of us are not going to agree with you after 7 games. I get it, Banker has coached many more than 7 games in his coaching career and not been impressive. But why is it so hard to see what he can do with higher caliber athletes? Why is that asking too much?
Would I have wanted Riley to hire someone else for the position? Maybe so... But he didn't. That means we support the team and coaches until the situation proves IN THIS PLACE that it isn't working.
Don't you get tired of being the flag bearer, as if it is your mission to get rid of these coaches because no one else will?
The article is pretty close to what I was talking about. The technique obviously isn't just used for long passes-and having proper eye control is a key to jumping on short to intermediate routes.
As far as Alabama...I disagree. They were ranked 20th last year and 4th the year before. Florida was in the top 5 both of the past two years--and as I pointed out, Florida's secondary has been very young. Last year they started two sophomore safeties and a corner. A junior corner at nickel and two true freshman alternated at the other corner. That is why I don't agree that it takes a long time for a pass defense--maybe the deep ball takes more time.
I do agree that zone can take some more time to perfect as a defense-because you have to have very good communication in coverage. At the same time, the pass defense gives up more yards than anyone in the country. The defense should be performing better.
I don't know how we can say Banker has failed. We have flipped a bad rush defense for a bad, but improving pass defense. A top 10 rush defense at that.
According to football outsiders, we were 43rd in defensive efficiency last year, and 47th this year. We could still see a fair bit of improvement. That's comparing a guy in year 7 with his guys and no real injury issues to speak of, and a first year guy in a transition year and playing anybody not in a boot in the front 7.
It was pointed out on another board that pass defense, while bad, isn't quite as bad as we think it is. Ranks 74th in pass efficiency. Pelini's teams were usually quoted as being Top 5 in Pass efficiency defense, not necessarily total yards.
I'm not super knowledgeable on the techniques, and I personally thought we'd see a little faster curve week to week on the secondary. Given the data fed to me though and what kinds of glimpses of a quarter there and a half there, if guys like Ralph Brown and Foreman aren't freaking out, I'm not going to on the basis of something I can conjure up with no rhyme or reason.