Anyone else hearing boosters and fans ask if the football coach will ever bring a state championship to Madison Central?
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Anyone else hearing boosters and fans ask if the football coach will ever bring a state championship to Madison Central?
First off, its Madison not Batesville. Parents in Madison are trying to figure out what good restaurant to eat at before the game. They arent foaming at the mouth for a state championship. That said, screw a state title, how about a coach that doesnt look and sound like a jackass every time he finds a news camera.
1. He plans on recruiting the private schools a little harder. He got Chaz Ramsey, Will Martin, and Jarod Foster from private ball (all D-I signees). Also Hugh Warren (CL metro player of year) and Peyton Johnson (Hall built entire offense around this guy according to Hall himself). South Panola just got a quarterback from Tunica Academy to be their starter because they didn't have a QB on campus and it cost them last year.
2. Needs to work on drug problem. Jarod Foster got arrested while at MC and also at Ole Miss. Bailey kid recently got sent to alternative school, while some other players are having some problem.
3. Germantown took some players, just like Ridgeland did several years ago.
2. Needs to work on drug problem. Jarod Foster got arrested while at MC and also at Ole Miss. Bailey kid recently got sent to alternative school, while some other players are having some problem.
3. Germantown took some players, just like Ridgeland did several years ago.
Im not sure there is anything any coach can do about kids and drugs. And I would like to seperate the Baily and Foster kids. Baily supposedly got caught with a little herb, nothing earth shattering about a hs kid smoking grass. After serving his alternative school punishment he should be allowed back (if hes not graduated). But Foster was a whole new ballgame. That dude was dealing steriods, got arrested for assault, and then instead of being a man and taking responsibility he began working for Madison County narcotics snitching (and thats per the clarion ledger). That dude should have been kicked off asap. And the crazy thing is the schools randomly drug test for narcotics but dont for steroids. The test are different and a big price jump. But steriods are much more dangerous and abused in affluent hs's football teams than potbobbylabonte said:
Coach has a large talent pool and several private schools to look for additional talent, some of the best facilities in the state, elite conditioning program,an incoming junior class that has not lost a game since the 7th grade,a relatively weak local region, a deep pockets booster club, yet the only programs at MC winning championships are women's softball and track. Talent exists in football, but perhaps that talent and depth is not being developed. A good percentage of last year's senior class got scholarships to play after HS, but the two who received D1 offers may not make the grade and will be playing at the JC level which may be good since they will get some time to develop. Not my thoughts, just what is being said in the background in Madison.
1. MC lost games last year so a incoming jr class that hasnt lost since 7th grade is not even remotely correctmadisoninsider said:
2. I havent heard of Desper being in academic hot water anywhere. I believe you are wrong on that as well
3. Im assuming your like 16 so Im gonna be nice. The "what is being said in the background of madison" made me chuckle. I played at MC so here it goes, outside of the team and school the community only has passing interest in MC football. Nobody really gives a ****. There are better things to do than worry about hs football in Madison (besides crootin prospects). Madison is not like Batesville where people in the community actually are emotionally invested with the local team.
The only thing we may be in agreement on is talent development. MC should be running what Hoover runs, a passing spread. With all the baseball players, finding a QB shouldnt be a problem. MC running a midline option in 2012 is a joke
I may be in the minority, but I disagree on that. And for the record, yes I do have kids, and no I have never touched weed in my life.
Especially the part about Hoover and their offense.
I really feel like Hall's lack of offensive creativity and cockiness holds MC football back so much, it's not even funny. The sad thing is no one notices because they win 11-12 games a year- which yes, is good, but MC should have a state championship caliber team every year and they should have more than the one that they have now. Of course, that one was one with Coach Justice. It's also masked by the district that MC is in- they have have cakewalks and then all they have to do is get up for Clinton and Northwest Rankin- and MC owns them.
He has upgraded the non-conference schedule, which is a good thing. Lost to the 6A champ twice and 5A runner up. I'm not sure how MC beat West Monroe- but they did. Bobby Hall has that one game a year it seems where things really click and he pulls an upset every once in awhile.
If MC ran the spread with Singleton and Price, I believe that they would have another state championship.
The QB's passing last year was ridiculous. He was awful for a school with a baseball program like MC's. I'm not even going to talk about the kicking thing last year. That was an epic WTF? Especially considering the soccer talent in Madison.
Hall has toned his act down a little bit after all the BS a couple of years ago. Regardless, I'm afraid that Hall is going to be there as long as he wants. The people in charge are on his side. He would have to do something embarassing to get the boot. Which is actually not totally outside the realm of possibility with him.
I really feel like Hall's lack of offensive creativity and cockiness holds MC football back so much, it's not even funny. The sad thing is no one notices because they win 11-12 games a year- which yes, is good, but MC should have a state championship caliber team every year and they should have more than the one that they have now. Of course, that one was one with Coach Justice. It's also masked by the district that MC is in- they have have cakewalks and then all they have to do is get up for Clinton and Northwest Rankin- and MC owns them.
He has upgraded the non-conference schedule, which is a good thing. Lost to the 6A champ twice and 5A runner up. I'm not sure how MC beat West Monroe- but they did. Bobby Hall has that one game a year it seems where things really click and he pulls an upset every once in awhile.
If MC ran the spread with Singleton and Price, I believe that they would have another state championship.
The QB's passing last year was ridiculous. He was awful for a school with a baseball program like MC's. I'm not even going to talk about the kicking thing last year. That was an epic WTF? Especially considering the soccer talent in Madison.
Hall has toned his act down a little bit after all the BS a couple of years ago. Regardless, I'm afraid that Hall is going to be there as long as he wants. The people in charge are on his side. He would have to do something embarassing to get the boot. Which is actually not totally outside the realm of possibility with him.
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Its a coaching clinic in Alabama and I only listened to the first 4:30 because he starts talking about the offense and I could care less. And Hall speaking offensive football at an Alabama clinic is funny enough in its self. The things I took is him saying he has good but not great talent at MC. Many coaches would kill for the talent and resources he has but this is an excuse for him to justify to his own ego why he hasnt won it all yet. He's not harnessing the talent he does have efficiently. Hoover beat the hell out of USP with literally the same type of athletes madison has
Its a coaching clinic in Alabama and I only listened to the first 4:30 because he starts talking about the offense and I could care less. And Hall speaking offensive football at an Alabama clinic is funny enough in its self. The things I took is him saying he has good but not great talent at MC. Many coaches would kill for the talent and resources he has but this is an excuse for him to justify to his own ego why he hasnt won it all yet. He's not harnessing the talent he does have efficiently. Hoover beat the hell out of USP with literally the same type of athletes madison has
FreeDawg said:
1. MC lost games last year so a incoming jr class that hasnt lost since 7th grade is not even remotely correct
<font color="#0000cc">Madison's incoming Jr class is the class of 2014. In the 7th-9th grade, they did not lose a single game. During their 10th grade season as the Jr. Varsity football team, they did not lose a game.
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2. I havent heard of Desper being in academic hot water anywhere. I believe you are wrong on that as well
<font color="#0000cc">You are correct, Despar is not in academic hot water. But, Bennett may not make it to Cal because of academic requirements and has already agreed to play JC football in north MS. The pitcher from MC's baseball team doesn't appear to be Ole Miss bound due to academics.</font>
3. Im assuming your like 16 so Im gonna be nice. The "what is being said in the background of madison" made me chuckle. I played at MC so here it goes, outside of the team and school the community only has passing interest in MC football. Nobody really gives a ****. There are better things to do than worry about hs football in Madison (besides crootin prospects). Madison is not like Batesville where people in the community actually are emotionally invested with the local team.
<font color="#0000cc">Not 16 and the community is very high on football. No other team in the statehasfans that travel like MC.West Monroe, visitor section full. Tupelo, visitor section full. Olive Branch, visitor section full and they rented a luxury bus to travel there as fans. Also, no other fan base has invested as much money in their HS program as Madison. If you don't think they expect a return on the investment, then you are fooling yourself. Agree that USP fans are emotionally invested in the team as there is not much else there. USP was down last year with no real threat QB. They now have a threat QB and the Conner kid isa star athlete.
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<font color="#0000cc">Weboth agree that talent is not being developed. I'mmore in the problem being not enoughdepth as playersaren't developed as they enter football in the middle school. The 6 or 8 naturally gifted players are run ragged in middle school and there is no development of the backups. By the time they hit HS, the problem is only more apparent. USP begins developing players into their system in youth league football.
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<font color="#0000cc">MC will have some talent this year with a few with some speed, but limited in size and undeveloped backups. Only 2 or 3 that play baseball are also playing football.
I only started this thread because these are some of the things talked about by some of the fans, although many will not say openly for fears it will impact opportunities for their kids. .
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But if you think the most pressing issue, with any HS football program, is that middle school football wasn't good enough... you are missing something.
You build your backups in 9th and 10th grade as the good kids play varsity.
It sure doesn't hurt to have grown up playing football but it isn't like baseball where you need to have played everyday since you were 6 to be able to compete at a high level.
You build your backups in 9th and 10th grade as the good kids play varsity.
It sure doesn't hurt to have grown up playing football but it isn't like baseball where you need to have played everyday since you were 6 to be able to compete at a high level.
When they had Smokin' Joe Gunn, they ran the hell out of the ball.........When his son (one helluva coach himself) was the QB, they threw the ball.........He definitely is a run first kinda coach and he's gonna run the option on you til you stop it......
I'd like to have seen his son added to our staff.......Kid knows this State, knows it coaches and is and offensive guru........
I'd like to have seen his son added to our staff.......Kid knows this State, knows it coaches and is and offensive guru........
not taking personal responsibility for your own actions is my root of the problem there. Kid didnt take down the mafia. If you got caught stealing candy and your father was gonna spank you but you said your brother and sister did it too and then they both got spanked and you didnt, that sends the individual the completely wrong message.
If thats the case I really had no idea. I just assumed the 9th graders at Rosa Scott were the jv squad, The thhing about Madison traveling is because the families of most the players can afford it. Madidon has always traveled well because theyve always had a huge team with able parents who will follow theyre kids statewide to watch them. It was the same 10 years ago. The thiking that MC has a "traveling" fan base not dependent on the families is funny. How many games do you think my and parents and my buddies parents have traveled to in ten years since we graduated? Zero
I've seen a number of parents who don't have kids on the team at home and away games. Many are high levelboosters. Grant it, some of them have future players as children.FreeDawg said:
The 2014 class is unique because of numbers. There were over 60 of them on the JV team last year. The incomcing 10thgraders numberbetween 25-30 and are not stocked with talent.
It will be interesting to see if the new coaches are interested in development. Lastyear's DC used multiple rotations on JV and began developing players, but he's gone to Wayne County now. Mangum was well liked by the defensive players last year.
Must have been interesting when you played before the split with Ridgeland.
The head coach was brought in for a reason and it's going on 6-7 years is what I hear.
for football is pretty much:
1. The students parents/players parents/band, cheerleaders, dance team, etc. parents. When you have one of the largest schools in the state, this is going to be a big group. Even though they stop going by and large once their children graduate, they are replaced by the next groups parents.
2. The students themselves- although I would bet that about 30% actually go to game while the rest do whatever else teenagers do.
3. People from Flora. They always show up. Not much to do in Flora and they can go watch good high school football for 5 bucks.
4. Me and my Dad.
Whereas South Panola there isn't as much to do in South Panola besides make coffins. I think they have a larger group like the Flora crowd at MC- people that show up at every game no matter what. They probably have somewhat of a bandwagon fan following from around the area as well too. I bet a larger percentage of their student body shows up at the games as well compared to MC.
It's also different because MC is good at other sports besides football. It's more of an athletic dept. as a whole approach rather than a focus on one sport. Even though MC football is the money maker and main sport, it is not going to necessarily get the lion's share of funds.
1. The students parents/players parents/band, cheerleaders, dance team, etc. parents. When you have one of the largest schools in the state, this is going to be a big group. Even though they stop going by and large once their children graduate, they are replaced by the next groups parents.
2. The students themselves- although I would bet that about 30% actually go to game while the rest do whatever else teenagers do.
3. People from Flora. They always show up. Not much to do in Flora and they can go watch good high school football for 5 bucks.
4. Me and my Dad.
Whereas South Panola there isn't as much to do in South Panola besides make coffins. I think they have a larger group like the Flora crowd at MC- people that show up at every game no matter what. They probably have somewhat of a bandwagon fan following from around the area as well too. I bet a larger percentage of their student body shows up at the games as well compared to MC.
It's also different because MC is good at other sports besides football. It's more of an athletic dept. as a whole approach rather than a focus on one sport. Even though MC football is the money maker and main sport, it is not going to necessarily get the lion's share of funds.
madisoninsider said:
1. I hope they keep it up.
2. What does Irwin have to do with Bobby Hall? Believe me, I don't like Hall, but it's hard to pin that one on him.
3. See my response to another post. It's mainly the parents that are the fanbase. If anything, it has gone down since Justice left. MC would have huge crowds of 10,000 pretty commonly. Now under Hall, it is pretty rare. I think most people in the community feel like me that he is a blowhard that is never going to get it done, so why not do something else on Friday? It doesn't help that his offense is like watching paint dry.
With Irwin, he is not only the HC but the AD and is supposed to set the tone with the coaches in his department. I think the new BB coach is setting a tone on the drug thing and work ethic. Get caught with drugs, even outside of school, off the team. Don't practice hard, don't play. Should set the same tone with the classroom. A number of kids in summer school right now.
It's unexcusable for MC to have 25-30 tenth graders. But then again, I'm not surprised either.
If my son was a QB, I'd send them to Jackson Prep to be coached by Ricky Black.
I have to wonder if the parents are losing faith in what's going on with MC football.
It's a lot easier to send your kid to anther school than create a big stink and try to get the coach fired. I could buy a house in Ridgeland or Gluckstadt and still send them to the same public school system and they will still be playing for a good high school program.
If my son was a QB, I'd send them to Jackson Prep to be coached by Ricky Black.
I have to wonder if the parents are losing faith in what's going on with MC football.
It's a lot easier to send your kid to anther school than create a big stink and try to get the coach fired. I could buy a house in Ridgeland or Gluckstadt and still send them to the same public school system and they will still be playing for a good high school program.
Irwin has issues, but I'm sorry- you have that many athletes, I can't fault Bobby Hall because a baseball player acts like a dumbass.
There are plenty of other things that Hall does that give people like me ammunition.
There are plenty of other things that Hall does that give people like me ammunition.
As much as I've always loved college ball and the NFL, I can't say that I ever watched 2 straight downs of highschool ball, even when in highschool.
Heard some parents talking about one of the starting linebackers left MC for one of the private schools. If true, that's the second one.