Mass Deportations

[baltimorened]

great job ICE really feel safer knowing this grandpa is off the streets

Bucks County Beacon (@buckscountybeacon.com)

Allentown grandfather who was granted political asylum in 1987 after surviving torture at the hands of Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet’s regime was disappeared by ICE. The family was then told he died. Now they learned that he's actually alive, was deported, and is in a hospital in Guatemala...

bsky.app

there is likely more to this story than is being reported

Absolutely. Like it or not, this country has laws that apply to these folks and in some cases can help them. I assist them with that process. Everything that I do for my clients is 100% legal and ethical. Why shouldn't I be proud of that?

I like to hear that we are a nation of laws. And, we should be allowing those in the country to make use of those laws to make their case in court. But the opposite is also true. There are people in the country illegally. Some are hardened criminals and some have been in the country for years, working and raising their families. But they are breaking our laws. I can be empathetic to their plight, but in the end, as you pointed out, the country has laws that apply to them. Courts should follow the laws and provide recourse in accordance with those laws.

The concern of some regarding a migrant in the country for decades, with a family, hard working etc is, in my opinion, laudable but misses the point you made. The country has laws.

 

[SolicitorJacket]

Thats the interesting thing about the law. Both sides apply and are equally valid. The law declares that they are here in violation, but the same law has provisions for some to avoid deportation and become legal residents, even citizens.

One part of the law is not inherently more valid or important.

 

[tboonpickens]

Adam J. Morris (@lonestarball.bsky.social)

“It’s like raaaaaaaiiiiinnnn…on your wedding day…”

bsky.app

 

[Allornothing]

Absolutely. Like it or not, this country has laws that apply to these folks and in some cases can help them. I assist them with that process. Everything that I do for my clients is 100% legal and ethical. Why shouldn't I be proud of that?

So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but the federal gov't/taxpayers are paying for you to represent people who shouldn't be here in the first place.

Am I understanding that correctly?

I'm guessing the people that had money enough to pay you, should have used the money before to arrive here legally.

What am I missing?

 

[SolicitorJacket]

So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but the federal gov't/taxpayers are paying for you to represent people who shouldn't be here in the first place.

Am I understanding that correctly?

I'm guessing the people that had money enough to pay you, should have used the money before to arrive here legally.

What am I missing?

There is no appointed representation in immigration court. A person in immigration proceedings can hire counsel to represent them. All of my cases are retained.

Not sure what your second point is. You cant just buy your way in. My clients are generally hard working people who have been here for a number of years. They do not get criminal charges outside of traffic offenses and they pay their taxes. Both of those things are required if they want to be able to stay.

 

[Allornothing]

There is no appointed representation in immigration court. A person in immigration proceedings can hire counsel to represent them. All of my cases are retained.

Not sure what your second point is. You cant just buy your way in. My clients are generally hard working people who have been here for a number of years. They do not get criminal charges outside of traffic offenses and they pay their taxes. Both of those things are required if they want to be able to stay.

Thanks for your clarification.

 

[baltimorened]

Thats the interesting thing about the law. Both sides apply and are equally valid. The law declares that they are here in violation, but the same law has provisions for some to avoid deportation and become legal residents, even citizens.

One part of the law is not inherently more valid or important.

I couldn't agree more. Just a front page article in the Orlando Sentinel about migrants being picked up by police for the most minor things...riding in a car with someone who broke a traffic law and was picked up, illegally in country, going to work: changing lanes without a turn signal pulled over, no license, illegally in country, going to his job. There were numerous other examples...but same caveats from the reporters, these people had no criminal records, they were hard working, supporting their families, had kids in schools etc.

The thing that never gets pointed out are the laws being broken...in the country illegally, working illegally, driving without a license etc. So , while these might be really nice people, they are breaking laws and by definition are criminals. Now, they're not murderers or sex traffickers, but nonetheless they are breaking our laws. So we can debate levels of the crime, but the underlying fact is that these folks are breaking the law.

Now, most of us rational people would agree that the underlying problem is the lack of reasonable immigration laws. There are ways for us to welcome illegal migrants who are the hardworking, upstanding, looking for a better life people portrayed in this article. And, they don't have to have a path for citizenship, they just have to have the legal ability to live in the country, work and raise a family. I personally think that Trump is on the right track with his comments about creating a Visa (of some sort) for those who want to come to the US to work. Of course, the devil is in the details, and I haven't seen those yet.

We need immigrants if we are going to grow economically.

 

[SolicitorJacket]

I couldn't agree more. Just a front page article in the Orlando Sentinel about migrants being picked up by police for the most minor things...riding in a car with someone who broke a traffic law and was picked up, illegally in country, going to work: changing lanes without a turn signal pulled over, no license, illegally in country, going to his job. There were numerous other examples...but same caveats from the reporters, these people had no criminal records, they were hard working, supporting their families, had kids in schools etc.

The thing that never gets pointed out are the laws being broken...in the country illegally, working illegally, driving without a license etc. So , while these might be really nice people, they are breaking laws and by definition are criminals. Now, they're not murderers or sex traffickers, but nonetheless they are breaking our laws. So we can debate levels of the crime, but the underlying fact is that these folks are breaking the law.

Now, most of us rational people would agree that the underlying problem is the lack of reasonable immigration laws. There are ways for us to welcome illegal migrants who are the hardworking, upstanding, looking for a better life people portrayed in this article. And, they don't have to have a path for citizenship, they just have to have the legal ability to live in the country, work and raise a family. I personally think that Trump is on the right track with his comments about creating a Visa (of some sort) for those who want to come to the US to work. Of course, the devil is in the details, and I haven't seen those yet.

We need immigrants if we are going to grow economically.

Trump wants to have it both ways. He likes to gin up a crisis to get the base in a lather and then come in and fix it.
His best option would have been to tie his wall to a legit pathway for the folks (non-violent felons excluded) who are already here. But that is never going to happen with Reichmarschal Stephen Miller in charge.
Trump knows a ton of the MAGA base take his dire warnings and immigrant hate as gospel and it is the core source of his power. But he has boxed himself in.
My belief is he will push the "mass deportation" for the rest of his term and then (if he lives that long) in the later years push for some sort of solution when it isn't on his watch.

 

[ANEW]

I find it interesting the linguistc gymnastics over time used.. Change the word alien to immigrant. Illegal to undocumented. Now its easy.just drop the undocumented part because it's a mouthful and immigrants are immigrants, right.

We need legal immigration with quotas set so as to benefit America and it's citizens. We don't need hordes of unvetted, unskilled illegal Aliens.

 

[SolicitorJacket]

I find it interesting the linguistc gymnastics over time used.. Change the word alien to immigrant. Illegal to undocumented. Now its easy.just drop the undocumented part because it's a mouthful and immigrants are immigrants, right.

We need legal immigration with quotas set so as to benefit America and it's citizens. We don't need hordes of unvetted, unskilled illegal Aliens.

How do you define "unskilled"?

 

[TigerGrowls]

Trump wants to have it both ways. He likes to gin up a crisis to get the base in a lather and then come in and fix it.
His best option would have been to tie his wall to a legit pathway for the folks (non-violent felons excluded) who are already here. But that is never going to happen with Reichmarschal Stephen Miller in charge.
Trump knows a ton of the MAGA base take his dire warnings and immigrant hate as gospel and it is the core source of his power. But he has boxed himself in.
My belief is he will push the "mass deportation" for the rest of his term and then (if he lives that long) in the later years push for some sort of solution when it isn't on his watch.

Trump is doing what he campaigned on and I am extremely happy with his performance. They need to and will deport millions. The wall will be finished.

He can and I suspect will at some point push forward some type of comprehensive immigration reform that allows greater numbers of people to immigrate legally on a faster timetable.

 

[SolicitorJacket]

Trump is doing what he campaigned on and I am extremely happy with his performance. They need to and will deport millions. The wall will be finished.

He can and I suspect will at some point push forward some type of comprehensive immigration reform that allows greater numbers of people to immigrate legally on a faster timetable.

Look...he has been extremely successful in making my work more difficult. It is more lucrative too, but the tradeoff is that it is a lot less satisfying on a personal level. I enjoy helping good people and I will continue to do that until I retire, or they put me in a detention camp somewhere, whichever comes first.

 

[baltimorened]

Trump wants to have it both ways. He likes to gin up a crisis to get the base in a lather and then come in and fix it.
His best option would have been to tie his wall to a legit pathway for the folks (non-violent felons excluded) who are already here. But that is never going to happen with Reichmarschal Stephen Miller in charge.
Trump knows a ton of the MAGA base take his dire warnings and immigrant hate as gospel and it is the core source of his power. But he has boxed himself in.
My belief is he will push the "mass deportation" for the rest of his term and then (if he lives that long) in the later years push for some sort of solution when it isn't on his watch.

again, you may be right.

Personally, I'm all for immigration of the legal kind. I would support (not that anybody cares) a plan where we give work visas to people who want to come here to work and then go home. I'd even give some permanent residency. But, no benefits - snap, Medicaid, welfare, child care, access to Obamacare etc. Now that might seem harsh but they're the ones asking to come here, not the other way around.

We shouldn't and cant lose track of the fact that these folks are breaking the law...in the country illegally, driving without licenses (some), working without authorization. Plus they are using limited resources - healthcare, schools. housing, food, in a country that is $37trillion in debt.

I am empathetic, and the US has had humanitarian immigration policies for years. Those have been manageable. But with so many migrants coming in such a short time, the system is overwhelmed.

Aside from Miller, remember about 80% of American agree with Trump on the need for immigration control which includes deportation.

 

[baltimorened]

Look...he has been extremely successful in making my work more difficult. It is more lucrative too, but the tradeoff is that it is a lot less satisfying on a personal level. I enjoy helping good people and I will continue to do that until I retire, or they put me in a detention camp somewhere, whichever comes first.

good we need people like you, just not too many of them

 

[SolicitorJacket]

again, you may be right.

Personally, I'm all for immigration of the legal kind. I would support (not that anybody cares) a plan where we give work visas to people who want to come here to work and then go home. I'd even give some permanent residency. But, no benefits - snap, Medicaid, welfare, child care, access to Obamacare etc. Now that might seem harsh but they're the ones asking to come here, not the other way around.

We shouldn't and cant lose track of the fact that these folks are breaking the law...in the country illegally, driving without licenses (some), working without authorization. Plus they are using limited resources - healthcare, schools. housing, food, in a country that is $37trillion in debt.

I am empathetic, and the US has had humanitarian immigration policies for years. Those have been manageable. But with so many migrants coming in such a short time, the system is overwhelmed.

Aside from Miller, remember about 80% of American agree with Trump on the need for immigration control which includes deportation.

Again, a point of clarification. Those who are here without immigration status have never been eligible for federal benefit programs.

Here is where it gets confusing:
1. Some states do allow them to qualify for and receive state administered benefits. Federalism, yo.
2. There are a lot of undocumented (or illegal, if you prefer) folks who have children who are United States citizens. The kids are eligible (as any citizen is) for things like medicaid and food stamps, etc.

 

[baltimorened]

Again, a point of clarification. Those who are here without immigration status have never been eligible for federal benefit programs.

Here is where it gets confusing:
1. Some states do allow them to qualify for and receive state administered benefits. Federalism, yo.
2. There are a lot of undocumented (or illegal, if you prefer) folks who have children who are United States citizens. The kids are eligible (as any citizen is) for things like medicaid and food stamps, etc.

ah, you've just identified a real problem...solvable but a real problem, and undocumented parent(s) who have given birth in the US. There is a real fear that if we give permanent status to the parents that becomes an inducement to come, give birth and then be allowed to stay. Others say kids can stay, parents have to go. Still others say parents can go with the kids. Big problem.

Personally, I'm Ok with state benefits to illegals. If their taxpayers are OK with it, who am I to complain.

I'd like to continue discussions with you about benefits for people in the US both legally and illegally. There is a lot of misinformation out there and it would be great if someone who actually knew the facts piped in. And between the two of that someone would have to be you.

So, to start, I assume from your post you represent people in the country both legally (applying for asylum) and illegally. So, if I'm in the country illegally, is there a path for me to get a green card or to get residency?

 

[Allornothing]

JOKE:

We bury our lawyers at 9' instead of 6.

Why is that?

Because deep down, they are good people.

 

[SolicitorJacket]

ah, you've just identified a real problem...solvable but a real problem, and undocumented parent(s) who have given birth in the US. There is a real fear that if we give permanent status to the parents that becomes an inducement to come, give birth and then be allowed to stay. Others say kids can stay, parents have to go. Still others say parents can go with the kids. Big problem.

Personally, I'm Ok with state benefits to illegals. If their taxpayers are OK with it, who am I to complain.

I'd like to continue discussions with you about benefits for people in the US both legally and illegally. There is a lot of misinformation out there and it would be great if someone who actually knew the facts piped in. And between the two of that someone would have to be you.

So, to start, I assume from your post you represent people in the country both legally (applying for asylum) and illegally. So, if I'm in the country illegally, is there a path for me to get a green card or to get residency?

Here is how you get residency
1) You have a spouse, parent or child over the age of 21 who is a citizen or resident and they petition for you. Once you go through that process, 2 years or so, you apply for a waiver for your illegal presence...another couple of years. A sibling who is a citizen (not resident) can also petition for you, but the current wait for a visa is over 20 years.
2) Apply for Asylum. In Atlanta over 90% of asylum claims are denied.
3) If you are the victim of a violent violent crime in the US and you assist as a witness you can apply for what's called a U Visa. A victim of human trafficking can apply for a T Visa.
4) Finally, if you have been here at least 10 years before your immigration case starts, you have a spouse, parent or child who is a permanent resident or citizen you can apply for what's called cancelation of removal. To win that, you have to show your "qualifying relative" has a mental, emotional or physical illness or disability.

Thats really about it. When people say, why didnt they just get their papers they dont understand how incredibly difficult it is.

 

[ANEW]

How do you define "unskilled"?

Hey Counsel, good catch. I should not have specified "unskilled". I should have said, "illegal aliens" without attempt at qualification.

 

[tboonpickens]

I find it interesting the linguistc gymnastics over time used.. Change the word alien to immigrant. Illegal to undocumented. Now its easy.just drop the undocumented part because it's a mouthful and immigrants are immigrants, right.

We need legal immigration with quotas set so as to benefit America and it's citizens. We don't need hordes of unvetted, unskilled illegal Aliens.

lol at unskilled.

my dad ran a sizable operation in SC for 40 years and flat told me the people we used to refer to as "migrants" would work circles around the local population. he also told me they were great employees because unlike the local hires they rarely had any kind of drug issues or domestic problems.

 

[ANEW]

Trump is doing what he campaigned on and I am extremely happy with his performance. They need to and will deport millions. The wall will be finished.

He can and I suspect will at some point push forward some type of comprehensive immigration reform that allows greater numbers of people to immigrate legally on a faster timetable.

TG, you are over the target. People who actually love America would support the wall and 100% closed borders and all steps to discourage illegal immigration (and there are many, starting with no government benefits or ID for non citizens). They would support an aggressive effort to rid this country of the worst crimminal aliens. "Sanctuary" cities would not exist. Birthright citizenship for children of aliens would end. If that was a reality, then we would not need the extreme enforcement and deportation measures that we have now. We would/could rapidly get to some sort of of "amnesty" provision, and call this issue good.

All the turmoil on this is Sofa. King. St. Upid. Trump is not an ideologue. We would have a solution supported by trump and sn end to this if not for TDS. IMHO.

 

[ANEW]

lol at unskilled.

my dad ran a sizable operation in SC for 40 years and flat told me the people we used to refer to as "migrants" would work circles around the local population. he also told me they were great employees because unlike the local hires they rarely had any kind of drug issues or domestic problems.

I never talked about work ethic or feels, just laws.

Sounds like your dad didnt care about laws and hired illegals. Maybe not, but if so, either way he probably liked them because he could exploit them and pay them less and treat them worse and they wouldn't say.anything because they were afraid of being fired faster than "non-immigrants".

 

[tboonpickens]

Maybe not, but if so, either way he probably liked them because he could exploit them and pay them less and treat them worse and they wouldn't say.anything because they were afraid of being fired faster than "non-immigrants".

These are hilarious suppositions coming from the party that refuses to raise the minimum wage while giving tax breaks to millionaires. The workers DGAF about being fired. The only weakness they had as employees was when they would periodically leave for Mexico for weeks at a time, but they knew they would instantly be rehired upon return because they were so much more productive and less troublesome than the local Americans.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

lol at unskilled.

my dad ran a sizable operation in SC for 40 years and flat told me the people we used to refer to as "migrants" would work circles around the local population. he also told me they were great employees because unlike the local hires they rarely had any kind of drug issues or domestic problems.

@tboonpickens

Wonder what an unbiased observer might say about your dad

exploiter abuser of vulnerable

he could sell his son anything and you would swallow hook line and sinker

In fairness to you I would have done the same with my mom and dad

It would be interesting to have an independent person tell you the reality of how your father treated the illegal immigrants while enriching himself personally off of them

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

These are hilarious suppositions coming from the party that refuses to raise the minimum wage while giving tax breaks to millionaires. The workers DGAF about being fired. The only weakness they had as employees was when they would periodically leave for Mexico for weeks at a time, but they knew they would instantly be rehired upon return because they were so much more productive and less troublesome than the local Americans.

SO YOU SAY

 

[baltimorened]

Here is how you get residency
1) You have a spouse, parent or child over the age of 21 who is a citizen or resident and they petition for you. Once you go through that process, 2 years or so, you apply for a waiver for your illegal presence...another couple of years. A sibling who is a citizen (not resident) can also petition for you, but the current wait for a visa is over 20 years.
2) Apply for Asylum. In Atlanta over 90% of asylum claims are denied.
3) If you are the victim of a violent violent crime in the US and you assist as a witness you can apply for what's called a U Visa. A victim of human trafficking can apply for a T Visa.
4) Finally, if you have been here at least 10 years before your immigration case starts, you have a spouse, parent or child who is a permanent resident or citizen you can apply for what's called cancelation of removal. To win that, you have to show your "qualifying relative" has a mental, emotional or physical illness or disability.

Thats really about it. When people say, why didnt they just get their papers they dont understand how incredibly difficult it is.

thanks you really shattered some of my preconceived ideas. From what you wrote, for someone here illegally, in effect, to stay here they pretty much have to stay here illegally.

Are undocumented people eligible for any federal benefits?

 

[baltimorened]

lol at unskilled.

my dad ran a sizable operation in SC for 40 years and flat told me the people we used to refer to as "migrants" would work circles around the local population. he also told me they were great employees because unlike the local hires they rarely had any kind of drug issues or domestic problems.

there are a lot of undocumented immigrants in the country who are hard working and just want to be here for a better life. But, they are here illegally and if they're working they're working illegally.
We need a better system for immigration and both parties are at fault for failing to come up with one.

 

[baltimorened]

thanks you really shattered some of my preconceived ideas. From what you wrote, for someone here illegally, in effect, to stay here they pretty much have to stay here illegally.

Are undocumented people eligible for any federal benefits? and, can they legally work in the US while in undocumented status

 

[baltimorened]

These are hilarious suppositions coming from the party that refuses to raise the minimum wage while giving tax breaks to millionaires. The workers DGAF about being fired. The only weakness they had as employees was when they would periodically leave for Mexico for weeks at a time, but they knew they would instantly be rehired upon return because they were so much more productive and less troublesome than the local Americans.

there are a lot of people, both sides of the aisle who would have no problem raising the minimum wage, because right now few people actually work for minimum wage. Ever since COVID, it seems, wages are more in the $15-$20 range even for people working in fast food joints. If you know someone working for $7.25/hour do them a favor and have them look for work someplace else.

If you raise the minimum to $10, $12 I doubt it would have much impact. Now if you're in the Bernie Sanders camp, who originally wanted a $15 minimum (if I recall) and now is up to $30 minimum, that's a different story.

As an aside, it will be interesting to see what happens in the tipping world when tax free tips is in full effect. Is there a real reason to tip 15-20% anymore when the server is living in a tax free world?

 

[baltimorened]

@tboonpickens

Wonder what an unbiased observer might say about your dad

exploiter abuser of vulnerable

he could sell his son anything and you would swallow hook line and sinker

In fairness to you I would have done the same with my mom and dad

It would be interesting to have an independent person tell you the reality of how your father treated the illegal immigrants while enriching himself personally off of them

this might not be a fair post. There were, and are, a lot of "migrants" here legally. Pickens didn't say they were undocumented just migrants. Likely when the Irish came to the US they were referred to the same way

 

[SolicitorJacket]

Are undocumented people eligible for any federal benefits? and, can they legally work in the US while in undocumented status

Those who are here without immigration status have never been eligible for federal benefit programs.

Here is where it gets confusing:
1. Some states do allow them to qualify for and receive state administered benefits. Federalism, yo.
2. There are a lot of undocumented (or illegal, if you prefer) folks who have children who are United States citizens. The kids are eligible (as any citizen is) for things like medicaid and food stamps, etc.

As for work, a few are eligible for work permits, usually while their applications for residency are pending. So for the most part you have to meet those eligibility requirements. As previously mentioned, most dont.

With that being said, there seems to be plenty of jobs for folks. Some absolutely break laws and work with false paperwork. That can have devastating effects when they try to get legal. The vast majority work self employed or 1099 independent contractors which are not required to file the I-9 employment autorization paperwork. This is why you see so many folks in agriculture, landscaping and construction.

 

[moradatiger70]

The Trump administration has deported fewer overall people than were
deported under former President Obama despite the ongoing crackdown on
immigrants without legal status, according to the Washington Post.
While the Obama administration deported 1.18 million people in his first three
years, the number of deportations has been a little under 800,000 so far under
Trump.
The Obama administration also deported 409,849 people in 2012 alone, while
the Trump administration has yet to deport more than 260,000 people in a year,

 

[fatpiggy]

Hunter the Crackhead Biden is big mad.

 

[fatpiggy]

 

[fatpiggy]

 

[baltimorened]

Those who are here without immigration status have never been eligible for federal benefit programs.

Here is where it gets confusing:
1. Some states do allow them to qualify for and receive state administered benefits. Federalism, yo.
2. There are a lot of undocumented (or illegal, if you prefer) folks who have children who are United States citizens. The kids are eligible (as any citizen is) for things like medicaid and food stamps, etc.

As for work, a few are eligible for work permits, usually while their applications for residency are pending. So for the most part you have to meet those eligibility requirements. As previously mentioned, most dont.

With that being said, there seems to be plenty of jobs for folks. Some absolutely break laws and work with false paperwork. That can have devastating effects when they try to get legal. The vast majority work self employed or 1099 independent contractors which are not required to file the I-9 employment autorization paperwork. This is why you see so many folks in agriculture, landscaping and construction.

personally, I'd rather see a system where if you're here illegally and someone wants to hire you at prevailing wage you get some form of a work visa. We have 7.6 million open jobs, and have had even more over the last few years. I know this would upset the MAGA base, but to me its better for people in the country to work and support themselves then for them to be here unemployed with no money and no legal means to earn it. We force them to work illegally violating more laws and just getting in deeper.

Of course the best way would be to solve the problem where it's easier, with a comprehensive immigration plan. Of course then, there goes your source of income.

 

[yoshi121374]

personally, I'd rather see a system where if you're here illegally and someone wants to hire you at prevailing wage you get some form of a work visa. We have 7.6 million open jobs, and have had even more over the last few years. I know this would upset the MAGA base, but to me its better for people in the country to work and support themselves then for them to be here unemployed with no money and no legal means to earn it. We force them to work illegally violating more laws and just getting in deeper.

Of course the best way would be to solve the problem where it's easier, with a comprehensive immigration plan. Of course then, there goes your source of income.

This is an example of an issue that most of us could come up with a common sense approach such as you suggest, but the MAGA group doesn't want to let go of their easiest tool to fire up their base.

And both parties do own this issue, Democrats should have force immigration reform through when they had Congress.

We continue to demonize the people, instead of the policy/law.

 

[SolicitorJacket]

personally, I'd rather see a system where if you're here illegally and someone wants to hire you at prevailing wage you get some form of a work visa. We have 7.6 million open jobs, and have had even more over the last few years. I know this would upset the MAGA base, but to me its better for people in the country to work and support themselves then for them to be here unemployed with no money and no legal means to earn it. We force them to work illegally violating more laws and just getting in deeper.

Of course the best way would be to solve the problem where it's easier, with a comprehensive immigration plan. Of course then, there goes your source of income.

Au contraire mon fraire. There will always be a process that has to be done to get people legal and advocate for those who might be right on the edge.
Trump could issue an amnesty order today and I would have enough work to see me to retirement.

 

[baltimorened]

This is an example of an issue that most of us could come up with a common sense approach such as you suggest, but the MAGA group doesn't want to let go of their easiest tool to fire up their base.

And both parties do own this issue, Democrats should have force immigration reform through when they had Congress.

We continue to demonize the people, instead of the policy/law.

I totally agree with your first sentence. But, it would take some real courage to have both parties come to an agreement that would satisfy their bases. Democrats want a path for citizenship for any migrant - legal or illegal - in the country. Republicans will never go for that unless somehow the Hispanic vote shifts to about 60-40 their favor. And if that happens democrats would be against it.

But there are some things that to me would be no brainers -- the dreamers, there's no reason to keep these people in limbo. Work visas - if someone has been in the country for 10 years (or pick a time period) and no problems, give them a Visa and residency. Increase the number of Visas given each year. Of course continue the farm worker visas and if you want add hospitality workers. Easy solutions.

You know internationally, there are many if not most nations that will give out work visas , residency without even considering citizenship. We need to consider doing the same. Right now non citizens can't vote. Making common sense changes wouldn't change the voting system, it would simply correct some of the issues with our immigration policies. Naive I know, but what the heck

Au contraire mon fraire. There will always be a process that has to be done to get people legal and advocate for those who might be right on the edge.
Trump could issue an amnesty order today and I would have enough work to see me to retirement.

you obviously picked the golden occupation

 

[SolicitorJacket]

you obviously picked the golden occupation

Bro....with the last few weeks I have had, I am seriously considering becoming a Walmart greeter instead.