Men’s basketball thought
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Nah we havent played bad for a while. We've played teams that are better and more talented than we are. I actually thought we played well against Alabama.
Mizzou we played bad, didnt play hard, didnt do anything right. First game all year you could say that about this team.... and again if you watch college basketball... all teams do this. I mean Alabama lost to Ole Miss at home by double digits. Florida lost by 20 to Tenn.. then florida beats tenn by 30..... Every basketball team at some point is going to lay an egg. Until shown otherwise... i'm going to view the Mizzou game as an egg laid... not doom and gloom
I dont view Auburn, Tenn, Kentucky, or Alabama games as sky falling games. Those teams are elite level teams. Doenst mean we cant sneak up and beat em at times... but more times than not you'll end up on the wrong end of the stick due to Jimmy's and Joes' not X's and O's
We need to make some adjustments. Those adjustments arent easily made due to roster comp. I think the slow down approach may work... but its not like you can just make a 180 change mid season. Sounds like your disappointed we cant hang with the big boys and i want to hang with them too, i just didnt think this roster would be able to do that... so at this point i'm trying to make sure we continue to take care of businesss against the mid and lower tier teams of the league.... and weve shown to be able to do this under Jans.
I’ll agree to disagree and be done. You do make several points…but that’s not necessarily what the OP was about.
We are one of only five SEC teams to lose three or more home games this year. The others are Texas, Arkansas, LSU & South Carolina. This is not the company we're trying to keep if we want to be in the tournament.
This is true, but we have two road wins, and only Auburn, Bama and TAMU have more than us.
yeah but we've lost them to Alabama, Kentucky, and Mizzou. All top rated teams... and in 2 of those 3 we had chances to win
I agree with you.. ive said the next few weeks will separate the middle.. and my hope is to be at the top of the middle. The mizzou game was a step the wrong direction. We still have games against ole miss, lsu, arkansas, oklahoma, texas, texas am... to see where we stack up against the middle.
and again.. these are games jans has won over his time here. So i'm not ready to hit the panic button yet.
Was Mizzou picked to finish worse than us in conference? According to metrics, they have been the 2nd best team in the country over the last 8 games. In saying that, it’s just an example of how pre season rankings don’t really matter at this juncture…and that goes for us and the rest of the SEC.
Im looking at the now.
rankings in general dont matter.
I simply used rankings in this topic as a way to say how silly people might have thought that we were picked 10th or that we were ranekd 14th at one point..... neither matter.
Net Rankings matter b/c that numbers is heavily weighed upon for NCAA tournament bids and seeding. Our net is currently 31. Solid 7-8 seed in the dance. Lets have a good week and see if we can improve that number.
But by your thinking, Mizzou was a bad loss. That may be wrong as well.
Regardless, we played like shat. Was that due to them being “elite” as the numbers show, or us playing poorly? You are all over the place other than saying “wait and see” which is not what this thread was intended to be about.
nope. Didnt say that... i said first loss where we flat out played poorly against mizzou... and all teams throughout the season typically have one of those, not typically at home, but it happens.
I don’t know that we have the players to play that style this year but we definitely need to adjust some things on defense. We need to stay home on shooters even if that means giving up some easy 2’s. Giving up a ton of threes is just the worst, not only are they worth an extra point but they can demoralize a team while giving the other side a momentum burst. On offense I don’t know that playing slow would help us. We still have a lot of trouble in the half court and we don’t have a point guard. You start seeing a lot of possessions where we drain the shot clock and throw up a really bad shot.
You are on auto pilot at this point because everyone knows the generic information you are talking. Point remains, if we don’t change something going forward we will not get to where we want to be….or where we should be. Metrics will not just “even out”
We are obviously not clicking and something must change. We are being scouted harder every game and it has showed.
again depends on where you think we should be.
We've played 1 bad game all season long. I realize youre wanting to be in the now... but if you evluate everything in life after the worst moment in that span.. then you do that... its not my preferred way nor do i think its the right way.
we make a layup with 15 seconds left... we are 5-4.. still ranked 15th or so... and no one is even the slightest bit worried, we are all just pissed we missed a chance to be ranked in the ever vaunted top 10 b/c we lost to mizzou.... Lay up missed, 3 on the other end.. all of a sudden we are an NIT team needing to change the entire course of things.....
funny how that works
Even the coach acknowledged that the missed layup wasn’t the reason we lost that game. Do you disagree with Jan’s here?
A lot of people are saying he’s been hurt. Or sure Cam has an attitude problem. But Kugel could definitely be plausible
Thats like saying the kicker missing the FG isnt the reason why we lost. Sure its not the ONLY reason.. but it coulda been the reasosn why we won.
Point is/was we were an eyelash away from beating one of the best teams in the country. Had a break gone our way... everything that you are worried about (rankings, the now, etc) wouldnt even be an issue. We follow that up.. with the worst game of the season....... now we have to overhaul the entire philsicphy of the program or we are NIT bound.
So who are we??? the team that took a final 4 team to the buzzer... or the team that showed up against Mizzou...... or somewhere in the middle?
and again i'll say...the lay up goes in... this thread never happens.
Now you are reaching and exacerbating what anyone has typed in this thread to emasculate your benign point.
as i said my friend, i agree with a lot of what you say. Just totally disagree on how you view the now and how things need to change dramatically going forward.
Teams are going to have great moments and game.. and poor moments and games... i think its best not to make brash decisions after extreme moments in either direction.... because i think its clear had we beated Alabama, regardless of the mizzou game.. the views and takes would be a lot different.
If my aunt had a dikk she would be my uncle.
But here we are. Not how I drew it up ….but…remember Saban changing QBs in the middle of a championship game? How did that work out?
You must evolve, brother. I can promise you that Coach Jan’s isn’t playing for second place.
Although technically he is because Aub is a 17ing machine, however. Point remains. If you think he’s just going to keep getting beat the same way, over and over, you are wrong. That would be insanity
But here we are. Not how I drew it up ….but…remember Saban changing QBs in the middle of a championship game? How did that work out?
You must evolve, brother. I can promise you that Coach Jan’s isn’t playing for second place.
Although technically he is because Aub is a 17ing machine, however. Point remains. If you think he’s just going to keep getting beat the same way, over and over, you are wrong. That would be insanity
your talking about me... your choose the one moment in time where saban changed QBs, thats like subbing out the PG not changing the entire philosphy of the program at the half.... goodness gracious
good talk. Your expectations and views on what this team should be are much higher than mine... and the entire "now" being after the wrost game of the season isnt a knee jerk reaction then so be it... but that isnt how basketball works. If it is.. then i wonder how flroida is feeling after losing by 20 and only scoring 44 points... there now must really stink.
The PV game and butler game were both bad outings…not sure how you can pin Mizzou….a borderline top ten loss, as our worst game. But that’s your opinion
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There is no flow at all. We are a very easy team to defend. You really plan to stop one guy and that’s all you need to do. We are easy to score against as well….obviously
not our worst loss.... the worst weve played.... again very different things. And yes its my opinion, feel free to have your own. The games you mentioned, not butler, but PV wasnt a good showing... but to me Mizzou was the worst weve played.
I expect a better outing next time out.
That Prairie View game has stuck in my head ever since it happened. Legit one of the worst teams in college basketball, I think their net was in the 340’s when we played and we barely beat them, at home. Cam was supposed to get that game off and was in street clothes when Jan’s sent him to the locker room with about 15 minutes left to get dressed out. That game shows just how bad we are capable of playing. Whereas the Memphis game or even the Kentucky game shows how good we can play. I’m just afraid we trending towards the bad side and that team isn’t a tourney team. Just have to wait until Saturday to see if we can change directions. That game Saturday evening and the SB on Sunday, it’s shaping up to a good sports weekend if nothing else.
A variety of preseason predictions for the SEC.
| SEC Media | Gary Parrish (CBS) | Matt Norlander (CBS) | Kyle Boone (CBS) | David Cobb (CBS) | Cameron Salerno (CBS) | Jerry Palm (CBS) | Isaac Trotter (CBS) | Ken Pom | Bart Torvik | Kevin Sweeney (SI) | US A Today | AVE | |
| Alabama | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1.33 |
| Auburn | 2 | 2 | 6 | 6 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2.67 |
| Tennessee | 3 | 5 | 2 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 3.33 |
| Texas A&M | 5 | 3 | 8 | 5 | 3 | 4 | 2 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 8 | 5 | 4.67 |
| Arkansas | 4 | 4 | 5 | 2 | 7 | 2 | 5 | 6 | 6 | 8 | 5 | 4 | 4.83 |
| Kentucky | 8 | 8 | 3 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 10 | 7 | 6 | 7 | 6.25 |
| Florida | 6 | 7 | 4 | 7 | 6 | 8 | 7 | 8 | 7 | 9 | 4 | 6 | 6.58 |
| Texas | 7 | 6 | 7 | 9 | 8 | 6 | 8 | 10 | 5 | 4 | 9 | 8 | 7.25 |
| Ole Miss | 9 | 9 | 10 | 8 | 11 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 10 | 7 | 9 | 9.25 |
| Mississippi State | 10 | 10 | 11 | 11 | 10 | 12 | 10 | 7 | 8 | 6 | 10 | 10 | 9.58 |
| Georgia | 12 | 11 | 9 | 10 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 13 | 15 | 11 | 13 | 12 | 11.92 |
| South Carolina | 11 | 16 | 13 | 15 | 9 | 10 | 15 | 12 | 14 | 13 | 11 | 11 | 12.50 |
| Missouri | 13 | 14 | 12 | 13 | 12 | 16 | 12 | 11 | 13 | 15 | 12 | 13 | 13.00 |
| Oklahoma | 15 | 13 | 14 | 16 | 13 | 13 | 16 | 14 | 9 | 12 | 16 | 14 | 13.75 |
| LSU | 14 | 12 | 15 | 12 | 14 | 14 | 14 | 16 | 12 | 14 | 15 | 15 | 13.92 |
| Vanderbilt | 16 | 15 | 16 | 14 | 16 | 15 | 13 | 15 | 16 | 16 | 14 | 16 | 15.17 |
Take your pick.