Men’s basketball thought

[Lettuce]

Instead of changing our defense or praying for some sort of miracle at point guard, I have a thought:

Why don’t we slow the ball down a little to compensate for our lack of scorers? You know, go back to running clock and clamping on defense.

We all know we are struggling with better teams in the SEC, we can’t keep up with other 3point/running teams in the league.

What if, we just slow down the offense to offset the stamina of our players, where we can defend better.

If you have watched, when other teams run and push and kick out and move the ball, we simply can not keep up, speed wise. Hear me out.

As I watch, we are so aggressive on defense, crashing passing lanes, doubling weak side…chasing. Basically, a pump fake is very effective vs our man. We are OVER PURSUING so much. We are SUPER AGGRESSIVE on d. This is the Jan’s way. But with our lack of depth/ lack of perimeter defense/ lack of height with our guards…we simply cannot play this scheme.

With Clary, maybe. But we don’t have a run and gun offense, we just don’t. I’d like for us to shrink the game back to last years look…I know it’s not a popular take…but it is glaringly obvious that we are gassed and can’t adjust, nor can we sub enough to offset our defensive struggles.

I simply don’t think we can play a Jan’s style defense, ON TOP OF running and gunning. Especially without a PG. Especially with our 6,7,8,9 guys off the bench, plus several starters, just not able to score the ball consistently enough to run.

IMO, let’s get back to shrinking the game, saving stamina and be a defensive team instead of trying to outscore deeper teams in our conference.

The time is now, as we have an easier 2nd half schedule…but we need to do what we do, to win…and that’s to play Jan’s ball. I need the dentist to return, I need the players to buy back in and I only want the best for the team instead of pushing numbers.

It’s time to just win, baby. I don’t care what the score ends up being.

I love Jan’s, but I think he’s appeasing to the players wants instead of running his stuff. Cam needs to take back control, the leader of the team… and we need to profit again from our defense.

TLDR

Let’s ramp down the run and gun and save legs for defense.

Thoughts?

 

[o_HuntDawg]

I agree with a lot of this.

I assume we played at a slow pace last seasons so that we would go Tulo the ball.. b/c we had an advantage in the post.. and there was no way his game would translate

Seems like although we took a step toward playing the current "in-style" of basketball, we still dont have the talent to matchup with the better teams that play the style.

 

[MSUDC11-2.0]

The biggest issue with that would be that our half court offense isn’t very good

 

[Lettuce]

The biggest issue with that would be that our half court offense isn’t very good

I think our identity is still better on the defensive end than our proposed offense, maybe not as good as last season but I’m willing to waffle our current offensive situation to be able to guard the perimeter better. After all, we were able to win some big games last year using my preferred scheme compared to what we have witnessed this season.

look, I don’t expect our shooting troubles to stay this bd but we are at a point to where we have to establish an identity…:and the current flow is just not working. Regardless of hopes and dreams, we must make adjustments or we will be hosting NIT games. The proof is out there….we must adjust.

 

[o_HuntDawg]

Bad weeks in basketball happen. Mizzou was the only truly poor game we've played in a while.

You really need a big physical type PG that is a pass first guard to pair with Hubbard. When we had Super D we had him pair with bigger pass first guards that allowed for him to be who he was.. and it worked...

We arent going to the NIT, we are a tournament team, so I wouldnt make any knee jerk reactions yet. But it does seem like we wanted to shift into a more in style type team and it is just being exposed... so we are handcuffed. Which is why i thought Jans post-game interview on the radio was interesting.. he basically said they have to get this fixed in recruiting. Which tells me the roster composition still isnt what he wants it to be..... and honestly it'll be hard to win a the level that we are wanting.. when you are a building around a 5-10 2 guard...

 

[Lettuce]

Bad weeks in basketball happen. Mizzou was the only truly poor game we've played in a while.

You really need a big physical type PG that is a pass first guard to pair with Hubbard. When we had Super D we had him pair with bigger pass first guards that allowed for him to be who he was.. and it worked...

We arent going to the NIT, we are a tournament team, so I wouldnt make any knee jerk reactions yet. But it does seem like we wanted to shift into a more in style type team and it is just being exposed... so we are handcuffed. Which is why i thought Jans post-game interview on the radio was interesting.. he basically said they have to get this fixed in recruiting. Which tells me the roster composition still isnt what he wants it to be..... and honestly it'll be hard to win a the level that we are wanting.. when you are a building around a 5-10 2 guard...

If you think the the schedule ahead will allow us to continue this style play and win games..based on projections, I have news for you.

Every team is getting better. We are trending down. Yes, we are a tournament team today based on resume…but I assure you that that mentality or stance means very little to nothing. As it stands, we look like one of the the bottom teams in the league and that’s not a knee jerk reaction, regardless of what glasses you are wearing. Proof is in the pudding and the pudding is shhit brown right now.

spare me the genes page bullshitt

 

[MSUDC11-2.0]

I think our identity is still better on the defensive end than our proposed offense, maybe not as good as last season but I’m willing to waffle our current offensive situation to be able to guard the perimeter better. After all, we were able to win some big games last year using my preferred scheme compared to what we have witnessed this season.

look, I don’t expect our shooting troubles to stay this bd but we are at a point to where we have to establish an identity…:and the current flow is just not working. Regardless of hopes and dreams, we must make adjustments or we will be hosting NIT games. The proof is out there….we must adjust.

I honestly don’t know what the solution is. I think this group is better offensively than they’ve played lately but they’ve gotta snap out of the funk before we can say that definitively.

Defensively I think we simply don’t have the juice or defensive ability we had the last two years. I think changes are necessary and can help some, but I also think part of the style we are playing is an attempt to compensate for the fact that this group just can’t defend man on man very well. We double the post a lot because frankly if we didn’t it could get ugly certain nights if the other team has a good big guy. The mentality seems to be let’s go for turnovers and take our chances on them missing an open three versus allowing easy points in the paint.

Obviously what we are doing hasn’t worked. But don’t know that it’s a simple solution either. Saturday will be interesting because Georgia is stylistically a different matchup than some of these teams that have killed us with the 3. They don’t shoot very well but play good defense and have a very good big man.

 

[patdog]

Couple of problems with that. Sometimes the best shot you're going to get comes in the first 10 seconds of the possession. And if you're not that good offensively, running the shot clock and giving yourself only 15 seconds to get a good shot instead of 40 is just going to make you that much worse offensively.

 

[Lettuce]

I honestly don’t know what the solution is. I think this group is better offensively than they’ve played lately but they’ve gotta snap out of the funk before we can say that definitively.

Defensively I think we simply don’t have the juice or defensive ability we had the last two years. I think changes are necessary and can help some, but I also think part of the style we are playing is an attempt to compensate for the fact that this group just can’t defend man on man very well. We double the post a lot because frankly if we didn’t it could get ugly certain nights if the other team has a good big guy. The mentality seems to be let’s take our chances on them missing an open three versus allowing easy points in the paint.

Obviously what we are doing hasn’t worked. But don’t know that it’s a simple solution either. Saturday will be interesting because Georgia is stylistically a different matchup than some of these teams that have killed us with the 3. They don’t shoot very well but play good defense and have a very good big man.

If you don’t adapt you die.

I think our defense has suffered from us trying to go up and down the floor with other/fresher offensive teams.

Like I said, we need an identity again and an offensive run and gun just isn’t quite it yet. We will have to compromise or we will be bubble or worse.

 

[o_HuntDawg]

If you think the the schedule ahead will allow us to continue this style play and win games..based on projections, I have news for you.

Every team is getting better. We are trending down. Yes, we are a tournament team today based on resume…but I assure you that that mentality or stance means very little to nothing. As it stands, we look like one of the the bottom teams in the league and that’s not a knee jerk reaction, regardless of what glasses you are wearing. Proof is in the pudding and the pudding is shhit brown right now.

spare me the genes page bullshitt

its too early to tell if we are trending down. Its hard to play great basketball all season long. Nearly every team is going to have a bad spell. The really good teams may be able to over come and win an ugly game here or there that others might not is the only difference.

Ive never thought we are a top tier team in this league. My hope was/always has been to be at the top of the middle half. Right now it looks like we arent that either.... but i can assure you im not looking for any maroon glasses..... but to say every team is getting better... is laughable... not every team is getting better.

We are 31 in the net. We close the year with 4 of our last 5 games against the bottom half of the league. Teams in that bracket Jans and company have done very well against. If we only win 4 more sec games down the stretch and finish 20-11 and 8-10 in the sec.. we'll still be a tournament team.

 

[retire the banner]

Our issue is perimeter D - we cannot defend the 3. Everything else being said is overreaction.

We will be fine.

 

[BonzoGoesToCollege]

If you think the the schedule ahead will allow us to continue this style play and win games..based on projections, I have news for you.

Every team is getting better. We are trending down. Yes, we are a tournament team today based on resume…but I assure you that that mentality or stance means very little to nothing. As it stands, we look like one of the the bottom teams in the league and that’s not a knee jerk reaction, regardless of what glasses you are wearing. Proof is in the pudding and the pudding is shhit brown right now.

spare me the genes page bullshitt

This 100%:

@ Georgia
Florida
@ Ole Miss
TAMU
@ Oklahoma
@ Bama
LSU
Texas
@Arkansas

To be honest, I only see 3 wins max out of the remaining games unless some major improvement is shown. And I doubt a conference record of 7-11 is gonna get us in.

 

[Lettuce]

Couple of problems with that. Sometimes the best shot you're going to get comes in the first 10 seconds of the possession. And if you're not that good offensively, running the shot clock and giving yourself only 15 seconds to get a good shot instead of 40 is just going to make you that much worse offensively.

I’m willing to risk “sometimes” with our current scheme. After all, it can’t get any worse. We will shoot the percentages regardless. However, shrinking the game will only benefit our defense, which is obviously our problem vs top teams.

We will not be able to out score the better teams. That’s a fact. So we must deduct from that fact. It’s not rocket science.

 

[o_HuntDawg]

If you don’t adapt you die.

I think our defense has suffered from us trying to go up and down the floor with other/fresher offensive teams.

Like I said, we need an identity again and an offensive run and gun just isn’t quite it yet. We will have to compromise or we will be bubble or worse.

i do agree. lack of depth kills. Other teams are playing 9-10 deep. We playing 8. It matters. Then factor in foul trobule and things of that nature...

But i also agree with MSUDC-- not sure what can be done when we are just that bad of a man-to-man defensive team and cant matchup on the inside against anyone either. I mean 6-7 cam playing straight man to man against Auburn, Kentucky, Tenn, Alabama (the list goes on) 6-11 power forward on the block is a recipe for disaster. And thinking that Hubbard is good enough to D up zigglar, sears, taylor, walter clayton (the list goes on).. is also bad bad news. Not sure the easy solutions.

 

[Lettuce]

Our issue is perimeter D - we cannot defend the 3. Everything else being said is overreaction.

We will be fine.

We have two players that can score consistently. One being a perimeter scorer, the other being a garbage disposal. Regardless of if the other team misses threes or we luckily have a third scorer every other game, this is not the recipe for success.

 

[o_HuntDawg]

This 100%:

@ Georgia
Florida
@ Ole Miss
TAMU
@ Oklahoma
@ Bama
LSU
Texas
@Arkansas

To be honest, I only see 3 wins max out of the remaining games unless some major improvement is shown. And I doubt a conference record of 7-11 is gonna get us in.

LSU and Texas at home should be wins. Thats 2. I actually think we'll beat TxAm at home as well... then you just gotta get one more.. and you've still got the sec tournament.

7-11 isnt going to get us in i dont think either... but i think we'll easily get 4 more wins in that schedule. and 20-11 and 8-10 in the sec will get us in..

 

[Lettuce]

LSU and Texas at home should be wins. Thats 2. I actually think we'll beat TxAm at home as well... then you just gotta get one more.. and you've still got the sec tournament.

7-11 isnt going to get us in i dont think either... but i think we'll easily get 4 more wins in that schedule. and 20-11 and 8-10 in the sec will get us in..

We built a fine resume ….so far…but if you look, the teams we beat arnt exactly making a case for tournament seeds.

We just need to finish strong, which we can do. But we can’t do it at this particular faction. We need to adjust .

 

[o_HuntDawg]

We have two players that can score consistently. One being a perimeter scorer, the other being a garbage disposal. Regardless of if the other team misses threes or we luckily have a third scorer every other game, this is not the recipe for success.

and again.. listening to jans riding home after the game.. i think he feels the way you do. What he thought we could do we cant. We cant defend like he wants, we cant run the offense like he wants.... and he seemed beyond frusterated.

He's got a week to tweak things he thinks need tweaking

I agree with a lot of what you've said.. i just dont see the doom and gloom you do yet. Its a bad week. Kentucky lost to Vandy and Arkansas. If it continues to trend downward then i'm on board with you...

 

[o_HuntDawg]

We built a fine resume ….so far…but if you look, the teams we beat arnt exactly making a case for tournament seeds.

We just need to finish strong, which we can do. But we can’t do it at this particular faction. We need to adjust .

Yep. Our wins are looking worse and worse by the minute.

Seems like your expectations and mine are a little different. I've never thought we were that good of a team, as stated, I felt like we needed to be toward the top of the middle of the league. That is still very reachable. So far we've beaten the middle/middle bottom teams. The first blemish on that was mizzou. If we continue to beat the middle and lower teams in the sec... and 6 of our last 9 games are against those type teams....We'll find ourselves right square in the middle of the league.. which is about what i thought wed be... and that is somewhere around that 7-9 seed in the tournament

 

[Lettuce]

I’m not doom and gloom. Im here today. I see what we are and where we were. The future is up to the team and the coaches….but don’t piss on me and tell me it’s rain. I’m not that guy.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

four corners offense baby!

 

[retire the banner]

We have two players that can score consistently. One being a perimeter scorer, the other being a garbage disposal. Regardless of if the other team misses threes or we luckily have a third scorer every other game, this is not the recipe for success.

We’ll be okay. Just need to find a way to get more stops on defense and get our team to mature. We seem to get way too down after losses and it affects the next game. That’s on Jans to correct. When we’re focused and playing with good effort we are a very good team. Sweet 16 is still a possibility, but a first round exit is just as likely if we can’t defend the perimeter.

 

[Lettuce]

We’ll be okay. Just need to find a way to get more stops on defense and get our team to mature. We seem to get way too down after losses and it affects the next game. That’s on Jans to correct. When we’re focused and playing with good effort we are a very good team. Sweet 16 is still a possibility, but a first round exit is just as likely if we can’t defend the perimeter.

That’s if we make the tournament. You realize not everyone in the sec will make the dance, right? But everyone has a chance to do it at this point. There is no off nights. We have a better chance at this point of being a 10 seed than the proposed 5 seed…..and that’s adjusted by the SEC and just how deep the conference is this year.

 

[o_HuntDawg]

I’m not doom and gloom. Im here today. I see what we are and where we were. The future is up to the team and the coaches….but don’t piss on me and tell me it’s rain. I’m not that guy.

your expectations were much higher than mine to begin with. I never thought we were going to be able to handle Alabama, Auburn, Tenn, Kentucky and those schools. I just hoped to be able to beat the middle of the packs schools.

So far in my head, the only game that is a head scartcheer to me is mizzou... and most teams lay at least 1 egg a season.

 

[o_HuntDawg]

That’s if we make the tournament. You realize not everyone in the sec will make the dance, right? But everyone has a chance to do it at this point. There is no off nights. We have a better chance at this point of being a 10 seed than the proposed 5 seed…..and that’s adjusted by the SEC and just how deep the conference is this year.

us not making the tourney will cause a riot...

at least point 4 wins... finishing the year 20-11 and 8-10 in the sec.. we are a lock to get in
or finishing 19-12 and 7-11 in the sec.. with a win the SEC tournament... and we are most likely going to get in

LSU and South Carolina arent making the tournament. Arkansas is a bad week away from the same... minus the auto bid.

We are currently in a great position. And without a complete collapse... are going to be just fine. The second half of our SEC schedule is easier than the top half.

 

[Lettuce]

your expectations were much higher than mine to begin with. I never thought we were going to be able to handle Alabama, Auburn, Tenn, Kentucky and those schools. I just hoped to be able to beat the middle of the packs schools.

So far in my head, the only game that is a head scartcheer to me is mizzou... and most teams lay at least 1 egg a season.

I don’t follow your thinking, having the the resume pre SEC or listening/reading the flow of college basketball experts as the season has flowed. I guess you out smarted us all. Congrats

 

[retire the banner]

That’s if we make the tournament. You realize not everyone in the sec will make the dance, right? But everyone has a chance to do it at this point. There is no off nights. We have a better chance at this point of being a 10 seed than the proposed 5 seed…..and that’s adjusted by the SEC and just how deep the conference is this year.

I don’t see any reason to believe we won’t make the tournament. It would take an epic collapse - Jans has proven to be a good coach the last 2 1/2 seasons since he was hired.

 

[o_HuntDawg]

I don’t follow your thinking, having the the resume pre SEC or listening/reading the flow of college basketball experts as the season has flowed. I guess you out smarted us all. Congrats

i dont even understand what you are saying.

I LOVE college basketball and college baseball. More than football. I watch all the games. I've never thought we were as good as the other elite teams in the league. I dont care what the pre-season publications are or were. THey obviously werent htat wrong because we were picked to finish 10th in the league Thus as i've stated on here... finished in the top middle of this league was my expectation. We still have a chance to do this.

I guess you are someone that thought this team was going to make a charge toward the top of the league standings?

 

[patdog]

four corners offense baby!

Bring back Bob Boyd! But even Boyd never did what Dean Smith did vs Duke one year. Duke had the better team, so Smith went full four corners from the tip-off. At halftime Duke led 7-0. UNC took 2 shots in the half, one of which was a half-court shot at the buzzer.

 

[Lettuce]

I don’t see any reason to believe we won’t make the tournament. It would take an epic collapse - Jans has proven to be a good coach the last 2 1/2 seasons since he was hired.

At this current juncture, what exactly does this mean? No one here has said Jan’s is a bad coach. Also, an epic collapse isn’t really an EPIC collapse, it just means being toward the floor of the toughest league in college basketball. Sure, we can beat SMU and and a bad Pitt team but if we can’t handle UGA or Mizzou…. Or any top team in our conference, what makes you think we deserve to be in the tournament?

Good news, we have half the season left. Bad news, the TX the LSU the OKl and the Ark teams await. And if we play this same ol style of Hub to the rescue, we will not be happy at seasons end.

We just wont

 

[Lettuce]

Bring back Bob Boyd! But even Boyd never did what Dean Smith did vs Duke one year. Duke had the better team, so Smith went full four corners from the tip-off. At halftime Duke led 7-0. UNC took 2 shots in the half, one of which was a half-court shot at the buzzer.

Yawn

 

[Lettuce]

i dont even understand what you are saying.

I LOVE college basketball and college baseball. More than football. I watch all the games. I've never thought we were as good as the other elite teams in the league. I dont care what the pre-season publications are or were. THey obviously werent htat wrong because we were picked to finish 10th in the league Thus as i've stated on here... finished in the top middle of this league was my expectation. We still have a chance to do this.

I guess you are someone that thought this team was going to make a charge toward the top of the league standings?

We were ranked 14th at one point. Did you think we were overrated or were you just taking all of the money in Vegas?

 

[o_HuntDawg]

We were ranked 14th at one point. Did you think we were overrated or were you just taking all of the money in Vegas?

We were picked to finish 10th the league.

The ol saying your probably not as good as they tell you when you win and not as bad as they say when you lose is in play here.

As stated, you are someone with loftier expectations than me. We lost 3 starters. A two time first team All-SEC player and our biggest portal get is out for the season. I think Hubbard is an awfully difficult player to win at a high level with if your make him the focal point. I watch a LOT of college basketball. 5-10 two guard centered offenses, dont win at high levels, when said player only real ability to effect the game is shot making.

I thought the 10 pick was a little low.. and in no world did i think we were top 14 in the country. My hope is top of the middle of the pack of the sec. 5-6 seed would be a great season... and again that is still on the table.. although that looks a little high at this point i'll admit

but take florida for example.. think they've been ranked as high as 3 or 4. I dont think they are a top 5 team. Doenset mean im making all vegas's money... but their record dictates thats where they should be ranked now.

 

[retire the banner]

At this current juncture, what exactly does this mean? No one here has said Jan’s is a bad coach. Also, an epic collapse isn’t really an EPIC collapse, it just means being toward the floor of the toughest league in college basketball. Sure, we can beat SMU and and a bad Pitt team but if we can’t handle UGA or Mizzou…. Or any top team in our conference, what makes you think we deserve to be in the tournament?

Good news, we have half the season left. Bad news, the TX the LSU the OKl and the Ark teams await. And if we play this same ol style of Hub to the rescue, we will not be happy at seasons end.

We just wont

I’m saying Jans has taken the two previous teams to the tournament, who were not as good as this year’s squad. We should trust that he’ll fix things - there’s plenty of ball left. Secondly, the SEC is historically tough, which is bad news for bottom feeders like LSU & SC. But it’s good news for teams in the middle of pack like State. All stats that matter like NET, RPI etc. are positively affected. Just can’t let the bottom fall out the rest of the way. We’ll lose some more, but need to take care of business 4-5 more times. It’s reasonable.

 

[Lettuce]

We were picked to finish 10th the league.

The ol saying your probably not as good as they tell you when you win and not as bad as they say when you lose is in play here.

As stated, you are someone with loftier expectations than me. We lost 3 starters. A two time first team All-SEC player and our biggest portal get is out for the season. I think Hubbard is an awfully difficult player to win at a high level with if your make him the focal point. I watch a LOT of college basketball. 5-10 two guard centered offenses, dont win at high levels, when said player only real ability to effect the game is shot making.

I thought the 10 pick was a little low.. and in no world did i think we were top 14 in the country. My hope is top of the middle of the pack of the sec. 5-6 seed would be a great season... and again that is still on the table.. although that looks a little high at this point i'll admit

Well, you were wrong about us being ranked 14. Because we were. The problem with me and you…I’m looking at now and you are floating on a parachute of how we should be.

it’s not the same argument. Go back to my OP and explain to me where I’m wrong.

 

[Lettuce]

I’m saying Jans has taken the two previous teams to the tournament, who were not as good as this year’s squad. We should trust that he’ll fix things - there’s plenty of ball left. Secondly, the SEC is historically tough, which is bad news for bottom feeders like LSU & SC. But it’s good news for teams in the middle of pack like State. All stats that matter like NET, RPI etc. are positively affected. Just can’t let the bottom fall out the rest of the way. We’ll lose some more, but need to take care of business 4-5 more times. It’s reasonable.

See below statement to Hunt. Go back to my OP and explain to me where I’m wrong

 

[o_HuntDawg]

Well, you were wrong about us being ranked 14. Because we were. The problem with me and you…I’m looking at now and you are floating on a parachute of how we should be.

it’s not the same argument. Go back to my OP and explain to me where I’m wrong.

being ranked somewhere and actually being the one of the 10 or 14 best teams in the country and two different things. Rankings matter none in college basketball.. and if you are evluating teams by the number next to their names on the ESPN ticker..... thats not a good way to do it for basketball. Virtually every night an unranked team is a FAVORITE to beat a ranked team in basketball.... that shows you how much those rankings matter.

 

[Lettuce]

being ranked somewhere and actually being the one of the 10 or 14 best teams in the country and two different things. Rankings matter none in college basketball.. and if you are evluating teams by the number next to their names on the ESPN ticker..... thats not a good way to do it for basketball. Virtually every night an unranked team is a FAVORITE to beat a ranked team in basketball.... that shows you how much those rankings matter.

We had been a top 25 team for over a month. Because we earned it. Now, we are not, because we earned it. But you can’t pretend that it didn’t happen. It’s all right there

 

[o_HuntDawg]

Well, you were wrong about us being ranked 14. Because we were. The problem with me and you…I’m looking at now and you are floating on a parachute of how we should be.

it’s not the same argument. Go back to my OP and explain to me where I’m wrong.

I agree.. we arent... you are choosing the evluate a team after playing the worst game of the season... i prefer to evaluate them on how they've looked throughout the season and against certain competition.

Ive already said I agree with a lot of the OP. But i dont think there is an easy way to fix it with the current roster composition.. and i think the sky is falling to a lot of people because "we were ranked 14th" and people actually bought into the fact that we "coulda been top 10".... when in reality we just arent that caliber of team..... we can still be a very solid team and have a great season though..

 

[o_HuntDawg]

We had been a top 25 team for over a month. Because we earned it. Now, we are not, because we earned it. But you can’t pretend that it didn’t happen. It’s all right there

agree. Top 25 I think we are right there in that conversation. Now we are still ranked 22nd.. and net of 31.. after the worst week of our season.

The back half of our shcedule is easier than the front half. Regroup. Tweak things. Win the games we are suppose to down the stretch. Finish 20-11, 8-10 in the sec. Ranked inside the top 25, 6-7-8 seed in the dance... cosndiering our roster and what weve lost... thats a dang good season.