Miami and Texas being ranked ahead of Vandy is BS..

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I tell you, it's real wake up call to see Tulane and Vandy in the CFP rankings. Historically speaking, even for STATE, those were guaranteed wins.

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Does the committee even look objectively at the schedules and game control?

Texas has 3 losses and they were fortunate that they beat Vandy. And they almost, and should have, lost to us. Vandy should be ranked higher. Arch is the saving grace and will bring more viewers. Their most solid win, as I remember, was over Texas A&M.

Isn't Keenum on the committee?
 

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Texas has 3 losses and they were fortunate that they beat Vandy. And they almost, and should have, lost to us. Vandy should be ranked higher. Arch is the saving grace and will bring more viewers. Their most solid win, as I remember, was over Texas A&M.

Isn't Keenum on the committee?
Vandy's best win >
 

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Texas has 3 losses and they were fortunate that they beat Vandy. And they almost, and should have, lost to us. Vandy should be ranked higher. Arch is the saving grace and will bring more viewers. Their most solid win, as I remember, was over Texas A&M.

Isn't Keenum on the committee?
Texas has the 4th strongest strength of schedule. And beat Vandy head to head.
 

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I love their story, and I'd be rooting for them in the playoffs. They lost to Texas, and beat a bunch of 3-4 loss teams. Not ideal for top 10 consideration. Who is their most impressive win ?.
Texas has 3 losses, including one to 4-8 Florida. That by itself should outlaw them from the Top 15. Also went to overtime with horrible MSU and Kentucky teams. They have played like tee total shít away from Austin.

The committee is hellbent on keeping Vandy out of the playoff. Keeping them at 14 after what they did to Tennessee last weekend is a complete joke.
 

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Hard to see BYU staying in if they get doubled up by TT. Their best win was Utah?

And Tech lost to the Sun Devils....eeeeeewwww
BYU isn’t even in right now. They are the first team out. If they lose to TT again, they’re done for good.
 
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Texas has 3 losses, including one to 4-8 Florida. That by itself should outlaw them from the Top 15. Also went to overtime with horrible MSU and Kentucky teams. They have played like tee total shít away from Austin.

The committee is hellbent on keeping Vandy out of the playoff. Keeping them at 14 after what they did to Tennessee last weekend is a complete joke.
College football is all about the small victories. While I technically agree that Vandy is a playoff team, I take pleasure in their suffering bc Pavia and his family are dipshits.
 
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Texas has 3 losses, including one to 4-8 Florida. That by itself should outlaw them from the Top 15. Also went to overtime with horrible MSU and Kentucky teams. They have played like tee total shít away from Austin.

The committee is hellbent on keeping Vandy out of the playoff. Keeping them at 14 after what they did to Tennessee last weekend is a complete joke.
**** is going to get political, Miami and Texas are going to be putting the pressure on to screw someone.
 
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College football is all about the small victories. While I technically agree that Vandy is a playoff team, I take pleasure in their suffering bc Pavia and his family are dipshits.
Vandy is actually not currently a playoff team.

But they should very well be the #12 team, ahead of both Miami and Texas. Essentially the field is set though. The only change you’ll see is ND exiting in favor of BYU if they somehow beat Texas Tech.

Otherwise, it’s going to be the current Top 10, plus 2 out of the 3 of Tulane, JMU, and Virginia. Doesn’t matter what happens in the other championship games.
 
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Vandy is actually not currently a playoff team.

But they should very well be the #12 team, ahead of both Miami and Texas. Essentially the field is set though. The only change you’ll see is ND exiting in favor of BYU if they somehow beat Texas Tech.

Otherwise, it’s going to be the current Top 10, plus 2 out of the 3 of Tulane, JMU, and Virginia. Doesn’t matter what happens in the other championship games.
Tulane, JMU, Virginia over Vanderbilt is Ludicrous.
 

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I tell you, it's real wake up call to see Tulane and Vandy in the CFP rankings. Historically speaking, even for STATE, those were guaranteed wins.

the world and college football is going to S^*t
As a State fan you should be encouraged by what Tulane, Vandy, Ole Miss, Texas Tech and IU are getting done in this era. There is hope.
 

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Vandy is an awesome story but they don’t really have any great wins. It sucks that there are so many 11-1 and 10-2 teams this year. If this were a year ago, they get in probably comfortably.

The Miami-Notre Dame thing is going to end up being the big controversy of this year. If BYU gets killed by Texas Tech (Tech is a double digit favorite), then Notre Dame and Miami are going to be two teams for one spot. And right now it seems like Notre Dame would get that spot, even though the two teams have the same record and Miami beat Notre Dame head to head, and also ND doesn’t have any very good wins on their resume.
 

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Vandy has played 2 games versus teams ranked in the CFP Poll and they lost both of them. All the other teams just ahead of them (Texas, ND, BYU, Miami) have those Top 25 wins.
Put up blind resumes and Vandy won’t stand out. It's just a story because they’re historically abysmal.
 

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Vandy is an awesome story but they don’t really have any great wins. It sucks that there are so many 11-1 and 10-2 teams this year. If this were a year ago, they get in probably comfortably.

The Miami-Notre Dame thing is going to end up being the big controversy of this year. If BYU gets killed by Texas Tech (Tech is a double digit favorite), then Notre Dame and Miami are going to be two teams for one spot. And right now it seems like Notre Dame would get that spot, even though the two teams have the same record and Miami beat Notre Dame head to head, and also ND doesn’t have any very good wins on their resume.
I don’t see how you can flip Miami / ND this week when neither plays, and no opponent for either of them plays. There’s no justification.
 
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Vandy has played 2 games versus teams ranked in the CFP Poll and they lost both of them. All the other teams just ahead of them (Texas, ND, BYU, Miami) have those Top 25 wins.
Put up blind resumes and Vandy won’t stand out. It's just a story because they’re historically abysmal.
Tennessee was ranked 19th last week when Vandy was 14th. Vandy smoked them. Next poll…..Vandy still 14th, Tennessee unranked. Like I said….plot to suppress their ranking. They had Miami behind them at 15th a few weeks ago and leapfrogged them strictly off a win over bad NCST team at home when Vandy didn’t play. They also have a win over 8-4 Mizzou. There’s no way in hell that Mizzou and Tennessee should be ranked below James Madison, or below any ACC team not named Miami or Virginia.

It’s complete collusion. The only reason they have no Top 25 wins is because the committee decided after the fact that their good wins weren’t really Top 25 teams.
 
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I don’t see how you can flip Miami / ND this week when neither plays, and no opponent for either of them plays. There’s no justification.
I’m not really sure why they flipped Bama and ND this week after ND had the more impressive performance against a bad team but they did anyway.

I just think the optics of having two teams next to each other in the rankings that played each other and have the same record, and ranking the team that lost the actual game higher, are really bad.
 

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Tennessee was ranked 19th last week when Vandy was 14th. Vandy smoked them. Next poll…..Vandy still 14th, Tennessee unranked. Like I said….plot to suppress their ranking. They had Miami behind them at 15th a few weeks ago and leapfrogged them strictly off a win over bad NCST team at home when Vandy didn’t play. They also have a win over 8-4 Mizzou. There’s no way in hell that Mizzou and Tennessee should be ranked below James Madison, or below any ACC team not named Miami or Virginia.

It’s complete collusion. The only reason they have no Top 25 wins is because the committee decided after the fact that their good wins weren’t really Top 25 teams.
I get your point and there’s definitely a lot of flawed logic in the polls In several spots.

That said, Tennessee and Mizzou have a combined ZERO wins against opponents with a winning record. And those are the two best wins Vandy can hang their hat on. So it’s tough for me to make an argument for them over Miami when Miami does have a legitimately great Notre Dame win.

I would probably have Vandy ahead of Texas. I think Texas is getting way too much of a pass for that Florida loss. But they’re not going to get in so it’s largely a moot point.
 
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I get your point and there’s definitely a lot of flawed logic in the polls In several spots.

That said, Tennessee and Mizzou have a combined ZERO wins against opponents with a winning record. And those are the two best wins Vandy can hang their hat on. So it’s tough for me to make an argument for them over Miami when Miami does have a legitimately great Notre Dame win.

I would probably have Vandy ahead of Texas. I think Texas is getting way too much of a pass for that Florida loss. But they’re not going to get in so it’s largely a moot point.
They also have no bad losses though, whereas both of Miami’s losses are terrible. Miami has two of the three losses for the Top 12 teams against unranked opponents. That’s the entire Top 12….3 total losses to unranked teams.

That’s what people don’t get. A bad loss is the inverse of a good win. They cancel out. A good win shouldn’t improve your resume by more than a bad loss hurts it. Texas has a win over A&M, and a loss to Florida. Say those cancel out. What else is on their resume? Not shít besides the home win over Vandy by a FG. Miami has the ND win and two losses to unranked teams. Say those cancel out. What’s left for them? Again, not shít.
 

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They also have no bad losses though, whereas both of Miami’s losses are terrible. Miami has two of the three losses for the Top 12 teams against unranked opponents. That’s the entire Top 12….3 total losses to unranked teams.

That’s what people don’t get. A bad loss is the inverse of a good win. They cancel out. A good win shouldn’t improve your resume by more than a bad loss hurts it. Texas has a win over A&M, and a loss to Florida. Say those cancel out. What else is on their resume? Not shít besides the home win over Vandy by a FG. Miami has the ND win and two losses to unranked teams. Say those cancel out. What’s left for them? Again, not shít.
For me personally, if I’m comparing teams with the same record, I’d rather take the team that has the higher end win or win(s). Because that team has shown at least once that they’re capable of winning a game like that. Even if their losses aren’t as good.
 

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For me personally, if I’m comparing teams with the same record, I’d rather take the team that has the higher end win or win(s). Because that team has shown at least once that they’re capable of winning a game like that. Even if their losses aren’t as good.
In a world where we had two different 17 point 4th quarter leads against the alleged 13th best team before losing to Texas, and Kentucky also took them to OT, I’m saying that plus the UF loss makes their home win over A&M not mean a damn thing. That’s not one, not two, but three games against some of the worst P4 teams in the country that were either were a loss or should have been a loss.

Texas away from Austin:

Ohio State - L
4-8 Florida - L
5-7 MSU - OT win due to catastrophic and historical coaching blunders
5-7 Kentucky - OT win by 3, in a game where they had 8 total first downs and 200 fewer yards than UK, and only got 1 turnover. So it no doubt also featured some BS from Stoops.
Georgia - 25 point loss
Red River Shootout - W (their only decent performance).

They are a straight up terrible football team when not playing at home. Where is every game they would play in the CFP if they made it? Not in Austin.

Anyone can get lucky and get a “quality win” at home…especially with UT’s talent. It’s so easy that even Zach Arnett and Jeff Lebby can do it. You have to look at the entire resume though.
 
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In a world where we had two different 17 point 4th quarter leads against the alleged 13th best team before losing to Texas, and Kentucky also took them to OT, I’m saying that plus the UF loss makes their home win over A&M not mean a damn thing. That’s not one, not two, but three games against some of the worst P4 teams in the country that were either were a loss or should have been a loss.

Texas away from Austin:

Ohio State - L
4-8 Florida - L
5-7 MSU - OT win due to catastrophic and historical coaching blunders
5-7 Kentucky - OT win by 3, in a game where they had 8 total first downs and 200 fewer yards than UK, and only got 1 turnover. So it no doubt also featured some BS from Stoops.
Georgia - 25 point loss
Red River Shootout - W (their only decent performance).

They are a straight up terrible football team when not playing at home. Where is every game they would play in the CFP if they made it? Not in Austin.

Anyone can get lucky and get a “quality win” at home…especially with UT’s talent. It’s so easy that even Zach Arnett and Jeff Lebby can do it. You have to look at the entire resume though.

Texas shouldn’t be in. They’re the one 3 loss team in the mix.
 

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I thought a 12 team playoff was going to solve all the arguments and the bias of people ranking teams? 😉

Always going to be debates along the cut line. But at least now you’re debating a sixth SEC team or an ACC team that didn’t make its conference title game and not leaving out an undefeated conference champion.
 
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I thought a 12 team playoff was going to solve all the arguments and the bias of people ranking teams? 😉
I don’t think anyone ever said that. It just makes the arguments themselves less meaningful in the end.

Ultimately we’re looking at 95% chance of Ohio State winning it. 5% chance of UGA winning it. 0% chance of anyone else.
 

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You may be on to something there. You know they don’t want Duke. And they don’t want to leave the ACC out.
Doesn't really matter what they want. If Duke wins, they aren't the in the top 4 best ranked conference champs, so they get left out. Tulane, North Texas or JMU would be in.

Even if Texas Tech and Georgia both win, giving BYU and Alabama another loss......how can you really drop them below Miami when they are ranked ahead now? Basically penalizing them for participating in conference title games against top 4 teams.

I hope all this happens.