Middle School Football

BlueDevil1996

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Are the #s down for middle school sports? I seen a local school is looking for another team to combined with due low numbers

I know East Iredell Middle done this a few year ago ; How are the #s at your middle school ?
 

Sportsnut17

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No MS football at all in Forsyth County. I also know 2 Surry county MS have combined for several years.
 

Vik-Val 86

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I have to wander concerning gas prices. How it will effect sports. Especially if it keeps going up.
 
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Sportsnut17

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I have to wander concerning gas prices. How it will effect sports. Especially if it keeps going up.
I am wondering how it will effect the officials shortage also. Especially MS and JV. The fees have not kept up with the increases in Varsity. Even in Varsity with a lot of 100 mile round trips, really cutting into take home money.
 

Sportsnut17

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Sorry, didn’t mean to hijack your thread. If it turns political I will remove my post.
 

BlueDevil1996

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Sorry, didn’t mean to hijack your thread. If it turns political I will remove my post.
Hey , its all current events that is important to talk about, I do think Varsity officials will be ok bc if u are varsity referee n u do atleast 2-3 game out the 4 then u make 200 or whatever the case so JV officials ofc dont get as much as varsity so but yes travel sucks but its not as bad bc in AZ most referee have travel 1 1/2 - 3 hours away sometimes
 

Vik-Val 86

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Yeah me too. Didn’t mean to hijack and hope it doesn’t turn political
 
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bjt8121

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I coach at West Craven Middle School (just west of New Bern, which is the only feeder school to West Craven High 2A). Since 2016 our numbers have gone down. From 60 players with two teams down to 35-40 with one team. There are many factors in my professional opinion.

1. The biggest issue I see is the specializing in one sport ( kids married to summer basketball or baseball). These kids want a break, and they can get one in the early months of fall
2. Lack of games. Players can play youth or travel football which offers more opportunities to play more games. In a real-life example, with our conference, I have to go out and find two games or play teams in the conference twice. That is not a good look, nor is that preparing them for a more extended season like JV
3. Lack of expectations from the community. If your community does not treat middle school athletics like this is the next step in becoming (insert your high school mascot), then why does it matter if they do not play? How many times have you heard someone say? " Oh, it's just middle school.'' There must be expectations for middle school athletics. It must become part of the process of becoming a high school athlete.
Coach Twichell at West Craven High does a great job with vertical alignment between our two programs.

I was a former high school coach. I never thought I would be a middle school coach, but I am, and I speak passionately about it. I have been blessed to speak at a local clinic and host zooms during the pandemic.

Sometimes Middle school is a player's 1st time playing a sport, which is excellent. What is terrible is when that middle school is the last time a kid plays a sport.
 

Bigdadd1110

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I coach at West Craven Middle School (just west of New Bern, which is the only feeder school to West Craven High 2A). Since 2016 our numbers have gone down. From 60 players with two teams down to 35-40 with one team. There are many factors in my professional opinion.

1. The biggest issue I see is the specializing in one sport ( kids married to summer basketball or baseball). These kids want a break, and they can get one in the early months of fall
2. Lack of games. Players can play youth or travel football which offers more opportunities to play more games. In a real-life example, with our conference, I have to go out and find two games or play teams in the conference twice. That is not a good look, nor is that preparing them for a more extended season like JV
3. Lack of expectations from the community. If your community does not treat middle school athletics like this is the next step in becoming (insert your high school mascot), then why does it matter if they do not play? How many times have you heard someone say? " Oh, it's just middle school.'' There must be expectations for middle school athletics. It must become part of the process of becoming a high school athlete.
Coach Twichell at West Craven High does a great job with vertical alignment between our two programs.

I was a former high school coach. I never thought I would be a middle school coach, but I am, and I speak passionately about it. I have been blessed to speak at a local clinic and host zooms during the pandemic.

Sometimes Middle school is a player's 1st time playing a sport, which is excellent. What is terrible is when that middle school is the last time a kid plays a sport.
Great points coach especially #2. Worked with USA football and one of our biggest concerns was specialization and/or concussions as they go hand in hand for the most part. If mom is making a choice or a big voice in sports choice they will ALWAYS lean basketball for afro americans and baseball for whites. Have studied it. Moms dont want sons playing football for long term risk so the numbers get lower for schools/youth programs which leads to more stacking of teams and a higher rated more specialized player remains which forces the avg. Joe out of football. In the past football teams were more balanced but now at the youth level it mimics aau basketball where the superior travel teams hoard and kill and avg. Teams fold which severely hurts MS ball.

Football is going to have to find a way to prove its safe long term or the numbers will continue to fall.
 

Thunder_struck8712

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I think football should look at decreasing the size of pads so people don't feel bulletproof and look at what rugby does. Get past this hit stick highlight real bs and require people to actually tackle and bring people to the ground. That alone would eliminate a crap ton of concussions.
 

Bigdadd1110

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I think football should look at decreasing the size of pads so people don't feel bulletproof and look at what rugby does. Get past this hit stick highlight real bs and require people to actually tackle and bring people to the ground. That alone would eliminate a crap ton of concussions.
Think Rugby will have the same issues. There is no truly safe way to bash yourself into another human being. Diehard football fan/coach and
can honestly say its no safe way to play football. My recommendation would be to only allow football after the 8th grade. Anything before 14U is really dangerous. Its not so much the quality of hits but the quantity. NFL players on avg. Have played football since they were 10 years old. No contact football before 14, and only 3 years college and cap playing at at 34. Wont happen but thats the best way to stay safe.
 
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BlueVols

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The officials tend to work more local for JV and MS games which cuts down on their travel cost. My fear is that fuel prices get so high that the state or local school boards step in and cut travel.

Gas/diesel for activity buses is going to eat them up. Those that haven't figured out what to do with their covid money might want to look here. I definitely don't want to see the pod system return which was in response to the last economic disaster.
 
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