While a case can be made to support the author's positions, it might be pointed out that as of this date, more americans have frozen to death in NYC in the last few months than have died or been injured because of combat in Iran. Now this could change over time, but the author's positions are as today
Military Strikes on Iran Imminent
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While a case can be made to support the author's positions, it might be pointed out that as of this date, more americans have frozen to death in NYC in the last few months than have died or been injured because of combat in Iran. Now this could change over time, but the author's positions are as today
are you by chance a descendant of Neville Chamberlain? Just think if Trump were around to take out Hitler and leaders of the third Reich at their pre-war brunch before the invasion of Poland etc al
Or, Court of Experts, I think that title might be recently made available
And all this time, after Hillary's testimony, and support from members of her party, I thought Benghazi was a smashing " nothing to see here". Are you comparing Iran to that position or are we now intimating that Benghazi was something different
well, don't forget it's your citizens who will be flying planes through anti aircraft batteries.
cynicism is a type of manufactured consent. Throw your hands up in the air if you want. But pretending this is normal and only people who are questioning it are doing so purely, because of partisanship is a narrative used to dispel the question, lazily.
Wild that they're telling people in Israel they need to hop on a tourist bus to Egypt and fly out from there.
Actually, cynicism is a normal and recurring political cycle throughout American history. But take heart, FG, the cynical phase is eventually displaced with periods of creedal passion.
Did you know that 2000 people die a year due to constipation? Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Well call me cynical what the former Democrat speaker of the house calls similar actions of a democrat president "legal" but refers to similar actions by a republican President "unconstitutional, illegal".
You don't see a dichotomy in there somewhere
I did not know that...interesting...Makes you want to pop an xlax
Wrong. I was never a fan. Keep making sh&t up.Captain Houseboat: Large Marge was one of your heroes before she had the gall to say something critical of your Orange Demigod. How are things on the underside of male horses these days? Say hi to Mr. Ed for me.
Point taken, but Trump was already making public statements (aka threats) that "something bad is gonna happen." Moreover, his Administration certainly could and should have quietly prepared for military evacuation flights and consular/embassy protection. Apparently, they had no drone protection in place at the Kuwaiti consulate. It's now on fire.
In this imaginary scenario, which you responded to me with, am I this person? What am I supposed to do with this narrative? It doesn't answer my question.
Ned: You managed to pull off the Daily Double here ^^^^. The old "we don't have enough information, so comments and critiques are premature" defense in the first paragraph, and the familiar resort to whataboutism in the second paragraph. Props.
I'm not sure what more facts one would need in order to comment on the fact that our Kuwaiti consulate is on fire from drone strikes, or that the Italians and other European allies are already evacuating their citizens and we are not. And if you want to compare presidents acting without Congressional approval, please note that Trump made zero effort to build a case with either the American public or Congress before launching these strikes. He notified the Gang of Eight a few hours before the strikes went down. That was it. No prior president has been so peremptory. Don't you consider it telling that our European allies supported Bush 41, Bush 43, and Obama when they launched their prior incursions or bombing attacks, but those same European Allies would not support Trump's bombing of Iran on Friday? They wouldn't even allow Trump to use their territory to launch these strikes. So Trump is right and everyone else is wrong?
I'm surprised that I have to point this out to you, but Neville Chamberlain declared "peace in our time" while Hitler was still in power and after concluding a "peace deal "with him, whereas the U.S. military has killed virtually all of the Iranian leadership and destroyed most of its military infrastructure. Under those circumstances, my suggestion that Trump consider extending an olive branch to Iran is nowhere equivalent to Chamberlain concluding a deal with Hitler. If Trump's stated goal of limiting our involvement in Iran is serious, he should be seriously considering how he can help the Iranian population create a new, more democratic, and more Western friendly government. What do you think would assist more in that regard, continuing to bomb the crap out of Iran or ceasing the bombing and offering to help them rebuild some of their infrastructure?
I'm intimating that, if Benghazi was the basis for years of Congressional hearings and attempts at intimidating Hillary Clinton, imagine (there's that word again, JHP) the amount of criticism and investigation that Trump & Co.'s continuing security screw ups might produce.
I'll bet a bunch of them subsisted on a diet of "hamberders." If only it would work in the most important case.
Bear, I have a hard time believing that if the US flew every civilian out of the mid east, went before the Congress as required by the WPA, built a coalition of NATO and mid east allies, and then bombed Iran, you'd be OK with it.
No matter the nits, and there are plenty of them, I still believe that what is happening now was going to happen some time in the future, likely when Iran was in a stronger position. Admittedly, I might be 100% wrong, but there is an off chance that I am 100% right. Itan is a problem for us and the world....it's easiest to solve a problem when it's easiest to solve the problem. If reports are correct, Iran is producing 100 missiles a month. They don't produce them to earn interest or put in a museum. they won't give up nuclear ambitions, should we wait till they have nuclear warheads to put on those missiles?
As I posted before, what if we had taken out Hitler and 3rd Reich leadership before they invaded Poland??
I missunderstood your post.
revisiting: "
Well call me cynical what the former Democrat speaker of the house calls similar actions of a democrat president "legal" but refers to similar actions by a republican President "unconstitutional, illegal".
You don't see a dichotomy in there somewhere"
This is an honest question: Does the powers used by Obama to conduct the strikes he did, apply here?
"President Obama used the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), which was originally passed in response to the September 11 attacks, to justify air strikes in Afghanistan. "
"President Biden authorized airstrikes against Houthi militants in Yemen using his Article II constitutional authority, which allows the president to act in self-defense. The strikes were conducted in response to Houthi attacks on U.S. forces and commercial shipping in the Red Sea, with the first phase occurring from January 12, 2024, to January 17, 2025, and a second phase from March 15, 2025, to May 6, 2025."
Are these the same as you claim, to what is happening right now?
Were we attacked? Was this in response to 2001? What is the actual reason behind the strike? Whats the justification?
I'd be willing to bet (figuratively) that if and when democrats regain control of either house or Senate, we'll get the chance to find out
not that you'll accept, but Iran has been attacking American installations for 47 years. Jack Keane have a litany of instances where Iran, either directly or through proxies attacked and killed Americans.
If you can't accept that Iran has been or is a threat then no justification would satisfy you. IMO, this was going to happen with Iran sooner or later.
They had a retired general on fox and he said if we currently got in a real war with China we could run out of a lots of kinds of munitions in less than two weeks. They need to ramp up production.
I dont agree with this giys tone. But he's right to remind me of somethings
What are we doing to get our citizens home? They call the help line and just get a recorded message that there are no evacuation flights scheduled. WTF?
I am a proud US citizen and founder of a successful startup that employs 94 employees in the US and 180+ employees globally. I was in Dubai on a business trip meeting with financial institutions to help them fight financial fraud in the region, but now I am stranded.
I expected the usgov to do something to get US citizens out but I haven't seen any meaningful action.
After 4 days of adrenalin and constant fear, I feel demoralised and abandoned by our government. It’s difficult watching other countries – UK, Israel, Spain, Italy and India – repatriate their citizens or ensure that commercial flights continue operating to bring them home.
I became a naturalized US citizen because I believe in the American dream, and the idea that in a crisis, America never leaves its citizens behind. I see that American dream being shattered not just for me, but for tens of thousands of other Americans left stranded.
I have 3 requests of our government:
1. Can the @usgov ensure the commercial airlines don't cancel US bound flights? I've booked a dozen flights to leave Dubai and ALL of them got canceled, even as flights to other countries continue operating.
2. If that is not possible, can the USG organize planes, commercial or military, to evacuate Americans out of Dubai and the surrounding region?
I saw a very hopeful note from the Assistant Secretary of State for Global Public Affairs which states, “the US State Dept is in touch with 3,000 Americans and that we should call 1-202-501-4444 for assistance with departure options.”
But that is unfortunately not accurate. I am enrolled in Step and have only received generic messages. Further, on calling that number, the message you get is:
"Please don't rely on the USG for assisted departure or evacuation at this point. There are currently no evacuation flights at this time."
3. With funding cuts to the US consulates and with attacks on US embassies in the region, there’s no one that Americans can reach out to in the broader GCC region. Can we set up an emergency hotline within the US that actually works, and that has someone who is taking down more details?
@SecRubio just stated that there are 1500 Americans who have contacted asking for assistance to evacuate. How did they do that because I am completely at a loss on who to call? I called up 1-202-501-4444 and all I got is a generic message. Myself and other Americans need help getting back home.
I am a proud US citizen and founder of a successful startup that employs 94 employees in the US and 180+ employees globally. I was in Dubai on a business trip meeting with financial institutions to help them fight financial fraud in the region, but now I am stranded.
I expected the usgov to do something to get US citizens out but I haven't seen any meaningful action.
After 4 days of adrenalin and constant fear, I feel demoralised and abandoned by our government. It’s difficult watching other countries – UK, Israel, Spain, Italy and India – repatriate their citizens or ensure that commercial flights continue operating to bring them home.
I became a naturalized US citizen because I believe in the American dream, and the idea that in a crisis, America never leaves its citizens behind. I see that American dream being shattered not just for me, but for tens of thousands of other Americans left stranded.
I have 3 requests of our government:
1. Can the @usgov ensure the commercial airlines don't cancel US bound flights? I've booked a dozen flights to leave Dubai and ALL of them got canceled, even as flights to other countries continue operating.
2. If that is not possible, can the USG organize planes, commercial or military, to evacuate Americans out of Dubai and the surrounding region?
I saw a very hopeful note from the Assistant Secretary of State for Global Public Affairs which states, “the US State Dept is in touch with 3,000 Americans and that we should call 1-202-501-4444 for assistance with departure options.”
But that is unfortunately not accurate. I am enrolled in Step and have only received generic messages. Further, on calling that number, the message you get is:
"Please don't rely on the USG for assisted departure or evacuation at this point. There are currently no evacuation flights at this time."
3. With funding cuts to the US consulates and with attacks on US embassies in the region, there’s no one that Americans can reach out to in the broader GCC region. Can we set up an emergency hotline within the US that actually works, and that has someone who is taking down more details?
@SecRubio just stated that there are 1500 Americans who have contacted asking for assistance to evacuate. How did they do that because I am completely at a loss on who to call? I called up 1-202-501-4444 and all I got is a generic message. Myself and other Americans need help getting back home.
A threat... we'll that should be easy to justify. So go ahead. Remember, your audience has been alive since 1980.
I think everyone wants that peace part. But i think that you have too pessimstic of an outlook, while at the same time admitting that "peace" is always going to be a relative term in an area rife with no kidding tribalism with a extra large helping of religious fanaticism and death cult.
I don't see us bombing populations. The american and apple pie haters will always be. Those that unfortunately are not and are casualties will likely understand.
What we have and are seeing getting stronger is the non persian arab states coming together, behind a strong US, in opposition to Iran.
To those inside of Iran, Trump will offer an olive branch, to the gulf region he will (should) continue to project strength and resolve i think between the two we have a good, not 100%, chance of peace. And if not, after we get done with this *** kicking... israel and the other gulf states shoudl be able to control Iran on their own.
not every talking head is right, but this one is, IMO. Iran was ramping up production of drones/missiles with the goal of having enough quantity to overwhelm our/gulf state anti-missile / anti-air defenses. Once they achieved dominance, then they could use the threat of distruction/ disruption of oil to avoid attack to derail their getting a nuclear bomb.
- 1979 US Citizens taken hostage. 8 service members killed during OP Eagle Claw, the mission to rescue them .
- Marine Barrack bombing in Beruit - 238 americans killed
- Willam Buckley, William Higgens, Peter Killburn - kidnapped horribly tortured and killed by iranian proxies
- Tanker War in 1988 an- 37 us casualties on the USS Stark
- Khobar Towers bombing - 1996. 19 US killed. 372 wounded
- USS Cole bombing 2000 - (probable ties to Iran) - 17 killed, 39 injured
- Proxy war in Iraq - IRGC supplied materials and knowledge to insurgent groups to kill and maim us military. per AI approx 600 DEATHS, wounded?
- Missile strike after we killed Solemani - injured many us military. (100ea?)
- Potential involvement in POTUS assasination attemps
- October 7th - Iran backed. - 46 us citizens killed, to include those taken hostage and tortured before deaths
How did i do? @firegiver I think what i posted is pretty accurate. What do you think about it? Its history.
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We are already seeing a clear day-to-day decline in launches by the Islamic Republic, signaling rapid degradation of its strike capacity.
Ballistic missile launches by the Islamic Republic over the first four days:
Day 1: ~ 350 missiles Day 2: ~175 missiles Day 3: ~120 missiles Day 4: ~50 missilesThe identification and targeting of their launchers and supporting infrastructure have significantly degraded and constrained their operational capability.
Ned: Your desire to throw bouquets in PIC's direction has you attempting to conflate Khamenei with Hitler. Hitler murdered six million Jews, gypsies, gays, and others, and he started World War II. Khamenei was not a good person by any stretch, but he just doesn't come close to being in Hitler's ballpark. Your suggestion that perhaps Khamenei was gonna unleash World War III or Armegeddon on the world is wildly speculative at best. He and his colleagues didn't manage to do it for over 47 years. But they were just weeks or months away from doing it? OK ...
As for your first paragraph, above, how about Trump evacuating at least a few Americans? He knew or should have known that bombing the crap out of Iran was gonna put them at risk. Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. How about him having made at least some effort to build public and/or Congressional support for taking military action against Iran? Bush 41, Bush 43, and Obama all did so. I thought this guy was the "peace president." He's bombed seven (7) different countries since the start of his second term, and he's only getting warmed up. His Department of Defense has been rechristened the Department of War. It's obvious that the name change comports with his world view. He has yet to find a country he wouldn't like to bomb or hit with a tariff.
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