Military Strikes on Iran Imminent

PalmettoTiger1

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what if in the 1930's we would have been bold enough to take out Hitler and the leaders of the third Reich? there would be a totally different world today, might not even be a Jewish state....no baby boomers.....

Consider what would the world be like if the Trump assassination bullet was 1 inch to a different side
 
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Seems "totally" believable. :rolleyes:

Come on now. While it's likely true that the picture on the ground in Iran is likely worse than we can see (since there are of course no actual boots on the ground in terms of newsgathering organizations to show us), the durability of their continuing response in terms of lobbing projectiles into neighboring countries suggests a certain lack of control.
 
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ANEW

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I believe even B-52s drop smart weapons these days
They do. We had them, and B-1s for that matter doing orbits over eastern afghanistan for pre-planned and emergency CAS. The development and certification of kits to put on 500 pound dumb bombs made them a lot more useful in a general sense in that role. Even with precision guidence, a 2000lber is a really big boom.
 

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I personally would like to see carpet bombing brought back into style with the mighty B52s making many runs
Are people in the Iran not created in the image of god? Really hard to understand how you read the red letters in the bible and make these kind of statements. You can think that authority is given to the government to wield the sword and still not want to see carpet bombings "brought into style".
 

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hey @baltimorened, they also have guidence kits for what i assume was a farvorite of yours... 2.75in (70mm) hydra rockets. Called APKWS (adv precision kill weapons system). Original verson was laser guided and needed you to maintain the spot on target. New version has additional passive IR sensor so that once it orients and picks up the spot it'll lock in on the target and not need it anymore, so that you can switch to designate a different target for the next rocket. Can be air launched (of course) or also ground launched.

I just read today that they are working on a prox fuze for it as an engagement soluton for low cost drones like Iran's / Russia's shaheed. Aerial platforms (like F15s or F18s ) flying CAP woudl be able to carry a ton in pods to engage drones cheaply without having to go to guns or use expensive sidewinders or AMRAAMS

edit: I have no experience with them, i first read about them during all the coverage of ukraine
 
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Sigh. Could you be any dumber? Rhetorical question, Farley.

That money wasn't U.S. "taxpayer money." It was Iran's money. The U.S. had frozen Iranian money that was within our banking system, and released it to Iran in connection with a nuclear arms deal that the Obama Administration (and various European allies) concluded with Iran. Falsehoods do not become true even when they are repeated assiduously. That is something that Trump Cultists fail to appreciate.
 

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Truth.



NATO: I'm old enough to remember when Trump wondered aloud whether NATO would come to our aid if we called for their help. He was right, again. NATO allies - UK, Germany, France & Spain refused to let us use OUR bases in their countries for the strike against Iran. Of course, now that British citizens are being attacked in Dubai they've changed their mind. Things are going so well France decided to send their carrier strike group there. Fair weather friends indeed.

h/t @drchrisnewton

Thank you for doing the right thing, NATO allies. Phuck off, PIC.
 

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Are we just not allowed, as US citizens to request an explanation for WHY our government would start a War these days? Is that the level of dumb beast the current leaders demand?
 
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Nothing like a wacko liberal who hates MTG using MTG. Same thing atheists do regarding Christians. Talk about hypocrites. Full blown TDS.
Captain Houseboat: Large Marge was one of your heroes before she had the gall to say something critical of your Orange Demigod. How are things on the underside of male horses these days? Say hi to Mr. Ed for me. 🐴🍆
 

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Do they really call it the "Council of Experts?" ROFL ...
Looks that way. I cut and pasted that directly from the article... I saw another article call it "Assembly of Experts". Maybe now the "Former Assembly of Experts"?

joking aside, i always think that there were a bunch of smal fry working stiffs in all these places, maybe serving tea, making lunch, cleaning the bathrooms, empying garbage cans, standing around to clean up the place afterwards.. just little people trying to make a living.

There is an African proverb, "when elephants fight, it's the grass that suffers" that holds true 100% of the time.
 
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"Biden screwed up the withdrawal from Afghanistan. That’s true.

And Trump and Co never stopped blasting him for it. Especially at the GOP convention. Because they knew it worked. It moved people. Especially veterans and independents.

All Americans are outraged when they see Americans left by a President to die.

And now Trump’s done the same thing. And there’s no spinning it.

The videos will tell the terrible story—until the stranded Americans can eventually speak out themselves.

The whole world can see the scope and scale of the failure—which is just getting started.

And Trump will own it. Just like Biden did.

Failing to plan is planning to fail.

And again, Americans will die because of it.

And again, our enemies are celebrating.

This is the cost of failed leadership."
 

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I personally would like to see carpet bombing brought back into style with the mighty B52s making many runs
Well, as for me, I would like to see peace break out in the Middle East. Hard to see how any kind of lasting peace is gonna break out with all of this bombing. It may produce a temporary peace, but the likely consequence is that it will promote more radicalism and anti-American sentiment among the populations being bombed. Trump could perhaps try to extend an olive branch and offer assistance to these people in rebuilding their infrastructure and perhaps establishing a democratic government of their own choosing. They may well tell him to pound sand, but there would be a benefit simply in making the offer.
 

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Consider what would the world be like if the Trump assassination bullet was 1 inch to a different side
So much better. Such a shame ...

I'm not rooting for him to get killed. Doing that is well beyond the pale. But I believe it is fair to say that things would have been much better if he had not been a part of the scene for the last year.
 
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ANEW

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I am guessing people from other countries may laugh and say "do they really call it the "Supreme" Court?"

Not once have I seen them with full veggies and meat.
I don't know, i think 'Supreme Court' is about as good as you could make it. Maybe "Constitutional Court" is better, but not exponentially so
 

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hey @baltimorened, they also have guidence kits for what i assume was a farvorite of yours... 2.75in (70mm) hydra rockets. Called APKWS (adv precision kill weapons system). Original verson was laser guided and needed you to maintain the spot on target. New version has additional passive IR sensor so that once it orients and picks up the spot it'll lock in on the target and not need it anymore, so that you can switch to designate a different target for the next rocket. Can be air launched (of course) or also ground launched.

I just read today that they are working on a prox fuze for it as an engagement soluton for low cost drones like Iran's / Russia's shaheed. Aerial platforms (like F15s or F18s ) flying CAP woudl be able to carry a ton in pods to engage drones cheaply without having to go to guns or use expensive sidewinders or AMRAAMS

edit: I have no experience with them, i first read about them during all the coverage of ukraine

hey @baltimorened, they also have guidence kits for what i assume was a farvorite of yours... 2.75in (70mm) hydra rockets. Called APKWS (adv precision kill weapons system). Original verson was laser guided and needed you to maintain the spot on target. New version has additional passive IR sensor so that once it orients and picks up the spot it'll lock in on the target and not need it anymore, so that you can switch to designate a different target for the next rocket. Can be air launched (of course) or also ground launched.

I just read today that they are working on a prox fuze for it as an engagement soluton for low cost drones like Iran's / Russia's shaheed. Aerial platforms (like F15s or F18s ) flying CAP woudl be able to carry a ton in pods to engage drones cheaply without having to go to guns or use expensive sidewinders or AMRAAMS

edit: I have no experience with them, i first read about them during all the coverage of ukraine
makes you yearn for the good old days when you had to be a pretty good shot to put those 2.75 rockets on target. I still remember...in trim, "pipper" on target, 30lbs tongue, select type fuze..pull the trigger, don't fly into the ground. Last one was really important, lots of cross checking instruments
 
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Are we just not allowed, as US citizens to request an explanation for WHY our government would start a War these days? Is that the level of dumb beast the current leaders demand?
You're on to something. We do have war powers act....our leaders should have justifications for their actions...we may not accept their justification, but then again we don't have all the facts and nobody, either party cares about our concerns.

Where the disagreements come in, though, is that previous presidents have done similar things and, not surprisingly when a democrat president does it, republicans are outraged, and when a republican president does it, democrats are outraged. If you weren't a cynic before the outrages you should be after.
 
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I don't know, i think 'Supreme Court' is about as good as you could make it. Maybe "Constitutional Court" is better, but not exponentially so
Oh for sure, and it tells the story of being the top court, the supreme one. Just similar to the assembly of experts. Literally the top experts. (I get that it likely isn't true lol).
 
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Captain Houseboat: Large Marge was one of your heroes before she had the gall to say something critical of your Orange Demigod. How are things on the underside of male horses these days? Say hi to Mr. Ed for me. 🐴🍆
being fair, the opposite of that is true also...back in the "good old days" republicans "loved large Marge" and she was a scourge to democrats. Now, seemingly, the opposite is true. If you were a cynical person, you might think the various positions taken were on the basis of politics as opposed to reality....not that this would be your rationale.
 
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