Military Strikes on Iran Imminent

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I was wrong on the Iran situation. I thought Trump was bluffing and talking shi t like he always does. I thought he was going to come to an agreement no matter what and was just doing the art of the deal.

Boy was I wrong. What a ballsy attack. What a flex of American military strength. What a way to buck the system and do things a different way.

It will probably be years before we can accurately judge the outcome of today’s results.

I’m kind of stunned. A little in awe. But overall, I’m impressed so far. America is much stronger than even our enemies thought and Trump is not afraid to remind you.

Congrats to out Military for a job well done so far! Keep up the good work.
I didn't think Trump was bluffing but I thought he would limit strikes to military operations like he did a few months ago.
 
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I don't think being the world's policeman is financially sustainable. That's why Trump has pushed so hard to get the EU to pay their fair share. To this day Canada is only spending 1.2% of GDP on defense. Finland and Sweden joined NATO to get U.S. protection.
All for the vassals paying their tax to the king.
 

TigerGrowls

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It took 20 days for the US to effectively topple the existing Iraqi government in 2003 and Saddam was captured less than 9 months into the conflict and that war would go on to last another 8 years officially and the resulting power vacuum would precipitate another decade and a half of conflict between the rise of ISIL and the Syrian civil war.

The US invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 and had deposed central Taliban authority and established an interim government with Kharzai by December. From October to March, the US sustained only 12 casualties to the 15,000+ suffered by Taliban fighters. That war would go on to last an additional 19 years.

The Iranian regime isn’t just the Iyatollah. It’s a substantial hierarchy of clerics. Cut off the head and the next successor will move up in line. Cut down further along the hierarchy and you create a larger number of co-equals contending for legitimacy and created opportunity for sectarian violence. The regime isn’t propped up by nothing, the IRGC, who’s charter is explicitly not to protect Iranian sovereignty but rather as the Ordo militant of the state religion, is well armed and either ideologically or opportunistically devoted to the sustainment of the current Iranian paradigm and will either coalesce to form the strongest faction in the coming sectarian violence or will fracture into multiple smaller paramilitary groups that will increase the velocity of that conflict.

It’s extremely “born yesterday” behavior to assume that the Disney movie ending is a likely outcome here where the people go out into the streets and bring back the Shah and live happily ever after with western democracy. I wish all the best for the Iranian people so don’t skew this into oatmeal brained chuddist “yOuRe cHeErINg foR tHe reGimE”. I grew up with an Iranian friend whose parents were a part of the diaspora that fled during the revolution and I’ve seen how much that disinheritance hurt his parents. I’m saying even a cursory understanding of the history of conflict and religious conflict in particular betrays how insanely ******* naive some posters in this thread are being in service to their own confirmation bias.
The US needs to arm the opposition. Lots of Iranians will sign up for it. Do it like they just did in Syria.
 
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I didn't think Trump was bluffing but I thought he would limit strikes to military operations like he did a few months ago.
Man I have barely followed this. Let me explain "barely."

I checked everyday for a strike but read no articles about negotiations.

Why?

I knew they would fail so why bother following the facade.

Maduro shocked me.

Killing the dictator in a first strike caught me off guard in it success. It seemed obvious to me that he would be targeted but I figured it would take multiple attempts to get him.

The attack on the leadership in general also seemed obvious to me. Trump killing Solimieni comes to mind and targeted killings are an Israeli specialty/MO. I thought maybe the Majlis would be targeted while in session.

Edit: what is good about this strategy is that you can "safely" rinse and repeat until you find someone that will bend the knee or get a "secular" leader like the Crown Prince.
 
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Japan and Germany are the models. But we abandoned that for political correctness in the modern age. Purple thumbs and the democracy cart got put in front of the culture change horse.

We (dems mostly) are well onboard with pushing LGBTQ+ and other woke insanity on our own kids but we can't be bothered to de-islamicize these back@ssward 3rd world sh!tholes and force a secular government upon them. There was the need for compulsory secular education for their young and in their universities.

We have had a presence in Japan and Germany for 80 years and S.K. for 70. We cut and ran from Afghanistan after 20 years and less than 5000 deaths.

We stripped Japans emperor of his divinity in their constitution. We let the Afghan government put sharia in their constitution.

To force our philosophical will upon our vanquished foes would be so declasse. It would offend the New England sensibilities and sense of fair play that the Bushes grew up with. Truman, MacArthur, and Marshall would not have such qualms.

You can't draw a swastika in Germany without going to jail. They are very pacifist and we basically de-nutted them at the end of WW2. Contrast that to the radical militant Nazis.

Long and short we needed to be committed to brainwashing and bringing leftist style propaganda to the enemy. We do this by giving them the mind virus libs have tried to foist on our own kids in order to neuter their youth and society.

Eunuchs are no threat to the harem. You sterilize the enemy while protecting your own. Let their boys paint their nails and wear dresses while ours are imbued with "toxic masculinity."

Interesting that you mention the Bushes, who were a part of the neocon movement, which was known, in part, as pro foreign intervention and nation building. In fact, MAGA arose, in large part, as a rebellion from that foreign intervention and nation building. The "establishment" - the neocons - weren't focused on America, they were focused on getting rich and powerful by repeated violent foreign interventions, and other grifts, domestic and abroad - or so said the MAGAts.

MAGA arose with a couple of its pillars being to "drain the swamp" and put America first - staying out of foreign affairs, insisting foreign concerns be self-sufficient/paying their fair share, no wars, no regime changes.

Yet, here we are ... with MAGA's leader putting others' grift game to shame, pulling in billions in ill-begotten gains ... essentially "draining the swamp" and putting it all in his own pockets (and those of his cronies) ... and now we're not only promoting regime change and nation building abroad, but we have to do it even "harder" than the neocons did it ... we need to expand our "empire" of allies through violent overthrow and then forced occupation-based compliance with our will.

And you attempt to justify this as being manly.

I mean, holy shiit.
 
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Interesting that you mention the Bushes, who were a part of the neocon movement, which was known, in part, as pro foreign intervention and nation building. In fact, MAGA arose, in large part, as a rebellion from that foreign intervention and nation building. The "establishment" - the neocons - weren't focused on America, they were focused on getting rich and powerful by repeated violent foreign interventions, and other grifts, domestic and abroad - or so said the MAGAts.

MAGA arose with a couple of its pillars being to "drain the swamp" and put America first - staying out of foreign affairs, insisting foreign concerns be self-sufficient/paying their fair share, no wars, no regime changes.

Yet, here we are ... with MAGA's leader putting others' grift game to shame, pulling in billions in ill-begotten gains ... essentially "draining the swamp" and putting it all in his own pockets (and those of his cronies) ... and now we're not only promoting regime change and nation building abroad, but we have to do it even "harder" than the neocons did it ... we need to expand our "empire" of allies through violent overthrow and then forced occupation-based compliance with our will.

And you attempt to justify this as being manly.

I mean, holy shiit.
Oh please teach us about masculinity, retard phuck. I mean, your last handle was “SimplyComplicated”lol. Could you be any gayer?
You really are “Simply” pathetic
Serious question....do you ever do any self reflection and recognize how incredibly arrogant you are?
I've never even seen you open to the possibility that you could be wrong on a subject. If you're married (doubtful) your wife must want to kill herself having to deal with someone who displays this amount of hubris. For her sake, I hope you've at least made fvuck you wealth , to make you easier to deal with. Probably has a side bull too if I had to guess, bc you seem low T’ish
 
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Interesting that you mention the Bushes, who were a part of the neocon movement, which was known, in part, as pro foreign intervention and nation building. In fact, MAGA arose, in large part, as a rebellion from that foreign intervention and nation building. The "establishment" - the neocons - weren't focused on America, they were focused on getting rich and powerful by repeated violent foreign interventions, and other grifts, domestic and abroad - or so said the MAGAts.

MAGA arose with a couple of its pillars being to "drain the swamp" and put America first - staying out of foreign affairs, insisting foreign concerns be self-sufficient/paying their fair share, no wars, no regime changes.

Yet, here we are ... with MAGA's leader putting others' grift game to shame, pulling in billions in ill-begotten gains ... essentially "draining the swamp" and putting it all in his own pockets (and those of his cronies) ... and now we're not only promoting regime change and nation building abroad, but we have to do it even "harder" than the neocons did it ... we need to expand our "empire" of allies through violent overthrow and then forced occupation-based compliance with our will.

And you attempt to justify this as being manly.

I mean, holy shiit.
I saw JHP reply and clicked on show ignored.

I am neither a neocon nor an isolationist MAGA.

I am a Reaganite.

I reject you grift narrative about the Bushes or Trump. Left wing propaganda and conspiracy BS.

I am not a fan of boots on the ground and am fine with bombing our enemies back to the stone age.

I am a fan of Sherman and Patton.

Long and short I have not flip-flopped like some in MAGA.

I have always and will always be pro Pax Americana when employed under conservative leadership. In other words when we promote our founding ideals while enforcing the rules based order I am fine with killing our enemies.

I am not a fan of pushing woke or other crap around the world unless its to weaken an enemy. Its a great export if you want a weak effeminate society that is compliant with government control.

We need our allies to be committed to free speech and other American style rights while rejecting anti-Westernism and LGBTQ+.
 

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Oh please teach us about masculinity, retard phuck. I mean, your last handle was “SimplyComplicated”lol. Could you be any gayer?
You really are “Simply” pathetic
Serious question....do you ever do any self reflection and recognize how incredibly arrogant you are?
I've never even seen you open to the possibility that you could be wrong on a subject. If you're married (doubtful) your wife must want to kill herself having to deal with someone who displays this amount of hubris. For her sake, I hope you've at least made fvuck you wealth , to make you easier to deal with. Probably has a side bull too if I had to guess, bc you seem low T’ish

Fake tough guy is back.
 

Allornothing

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I didn’t think it could be done but this is the stupidest fvçking thing I’ve ever read on this website.
That's preposterous. You must not have read much on the board then if you feel that way. Especially things written by the board commies/progressives/libs.

Have a good day.
 
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“We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators,”
Dick Cheney, March 16, 2003

It would be funny how much some of yall lack object permanence if it wasn’t actively wasting tax dollars and getting people killed.
 

dpic73

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And here we go....

3 U.S. service members killed in Iran operation, military says; Tehran vows to avenge Khamenei​


"Three U.S. service members were killed in action and five were seriously wounded, Central Command said Sunday morning, the first reported U.S. casualties in the joint attack with Israel on Iran. The military also said several other service members suffered minor shrapnel injuries and concussions. After the killing of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, in the operation, strikes across the Middle East continued Sunday, with Israel saying it launched a fresh wave in “the heart of Tehran” and Iran mounting attacks on Israel and across the Persian Gulf. A strike from Iran killed at least nine people near Jerusalem, according to Israel’s national emergency service, and injured at least 28. Iran’s state broadcaster, citing figures from the Iranian Red Crescent Society, reported 201 dead and 747 injured in the country. The Washington Post could not independently verify the report.

Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader and a vocal opponent of Israel and the West since coming to power in 1989, was killed in U.S.-Israeli attacks Saturday along with other top Iranian leaders. Social media showed scenes of both grief and celebration in Iran, where the government declared 40 days of mourning and announced a temporary leadership structure. Israeli defense officials said Sunday that their initial strikes on Iranian leaders, launched in two locations, eliminated 40 military commanders and that they would continue to dismantle Iranian military infrastructure. Iran’s retaliatory attacks included for the first time a strike against Oman, which had served as a mediator in nuclear discussions between Washington and Tehran."

 

letsgocu

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You're not looking for an answer, just an excuse to pick a fight and lob insults, per your usual, but feel free to re-read what I've already said because you're not going to get what you want from me.
It’s not that difficult. Why are you making it complicated?
 

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And here we go....

3 U.S. service members killed in Iran operation, military says; Tehran vows to avenge Khamenei​


"Three U.S. service members were killed in action and five were seriously wounded, Central Command said Sunday morning, the first reported U.S. casualties in the joint attack with Israel on Iran. The military also said several other service members suffered minor shrapnel injuries and concussions. After the killing of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, in the operation, strikes across the Middle East continued Sunday, with Israel saying it launched a fresh wave in “the heart of Tehran” and Iran mounting attacks on Israel and across the Persian Gulf. A strike from Iran killed at least nine people near Jerusalem, according to Israel’s national emergency service, and injured at least 28. Iran’s state broadcaster, citing figures from the Iranian Red Crescent Society, reported 201 dead and 747 injured in the country. The Washington Post could not independently verify the report.

Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader and a vocal opponent of Israel and the West since coming to power in 1989, was killed in U.S.-Israeli attacks Saturday along with other top Iranian leaders. Social media showed scenes of both grief and celebration in Iran, where the government declared 40 days of mourning and announced a temporary leadership structure. Israeli defense officials said Sunday that their initial strikes on Iranian leaders, launched in two locations, eliminated 40 military commanders and that they would continue to dismantle Iranian military infrastructure. Iran’s retaliatory attacks included for the first time a strike against Oman, which had served as a mediator in nuclear discussions between Washington and Tehran."

What do you mean “here we go”
 

letsgocu

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And here we go....

3 U.S. service members killed in Iran operation, military says; Tehran vows to avenge Khamenei​


"Three U.S. service members were killed in action and five were seriously wounded, Central Command said Sunday morning, the first reported U.S. casualties in the joint attack with Israel on Iran. The military also said several other service members suffered minor shrapnel injuries and concussions. After the killing of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, in the operation, strikes across the Middle East continued Sunday, with Israel saying it launched a fresh wave in “the heart of Tehran” and Iran mounting attacks on Israel and across the Persian Gulf. A strike from Iran killed at least nine people near Jerusalem, according to Israel’s national emergency service, and injured at least 28. Iran’s state broadcaster, citing figures from the Iranian Red Crescent Society, reported 201 dead and 747 injured in the country. The Washington Post could not independently verify the report.

Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader and a vocal opponent of Israel and the West since coming to power in 1989, was killed in U.S.-Israeli attacks Saturday along with other top Iranian leaders. Social media showed scenes of both grief and celebration in Iran, where the government declared 40 days of mourning and announced a temporary leadership structure. Israeli defense officials said Sunday that their initial strikes on Iranian leaders, launched in two locations, eliminated 40 military commanders and that they would continue to dismantle Iranian military infrastructure. Iran’s retaliatory attacks included for the first time a strike against Oman, which had served as a mediator in nuclear discussions between Washington and Tehran."

Predictable. Even Trump said so day 1. Very unfortunate but there’s a price to pay for engaging against evil.
 

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Just remember all the reasons why trump has said he is doing this.
1. The Iranians have a nuclear program that was supposedly destroyed nine months ago.
2. He wants regime change.
3. Iran meddled in our elections.


Did I miss any other reasons?
Sure. I think one of them was that Trump is trying to reach across the aisle to all those on the left who were concerned that MAGA meant US isolationalism and how that was the new worst thing ever*. (*until the another new worst thing ever). See, now everyone can feel better that MAGA is not isolationist.
 

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Called what bluff? That they decided they’ll go out swinging before they capitulate and get bombed anyway?

We’re good at bombing people. The hard part is what comes after. What’s the plan for these people? Yeah guys you have no opposition leader apart from the rich boy who’s dad fled on vacation 40+ years ago, but go out and grab some guns so you can get gunned down by the tens of thousands.
we make the assumption that the leaders as the levels below the top 40 are as committed to the cause as those at the top. In human nature, if you know the way to the top, or the way to keep your head on your neck, is to go along to get along. There may well be some of the remaining leaders who see the writing on the wall and do what Rodriquez has done in Venezuela.

I don't think "the rich boy" is a long term solution, but I heard him on the radio today and it appears as if he has formed some base of an infrastructure to at least provide interim leadership.

Fluid situation, we'll see what happens
 
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It’s not that difficult. Why are you making it complicated?
Because it's absolutely complicated despite your lame attempts to make me say Trump is Lord.

You can be happy for the citizens and the world that Khamenei is dead without knowing if this was the right thing to do.

For wars of choice, especially with lives in the balance, the president should go through Congress and allow them to authorize it, per the Constitution.

More to the point, there needs to be a focus, a clear goal in mind but there doesn't seem to be one. It's supposedly to keep them from getting a nuclear weapon even though we obliterated that program. It's also supposedly to stoke regime change but there seems to be no plan to affect that, which means they could end up with a worse regime.

Blowing **** up may make you feel good now but to pretend like that's the end of it would be absurd. This thing could just as easily spiral out of control and become another forever war with mass American casualties, we just don't know yet, so I'd hold your cheese until we see how this plays out.
 

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I’m a big Massie fan.

He makes a great point, in my opinion.

I can support Trump and I can support Massie. People need to be held accountable in the Epstein saga.
What does Epstein have anything to do with striking Iran?? Seriously, help me out here
 

dpic73

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Khamenei is dead. Good.

But I have family in Iran. My dad is there right now. And I'm not celebrating yet. Here's why.

Iran built the most layered contingency plan on Earth for this exact moment. Four levels of succession for every key position. Pre-authorized military strikes. Regional commanders who don't need orders from Tehran to act.

As you read this, there is already a new Supreme Leader. We just don't know who.

This isn't Maduro. The government didn't get overthrown. The system absorbed the hit. That's what it was designed to do.

Every credible intel assessment says the same thing: a post-Khamenei Iran is more likely to get harder, not softer. More IRGC. More dangerous. Potentially worse for the Iranian people than Khamenei himself.

Don't breathe yet. There's a long way to go.