Military Strikes on Iran Imminent

[PalmettoTiger1]

Why, when the federal government, who is supposed to protect its citizens, instead murders them, do you, not only go beyond ignoring these murders, but actively defend them?

Moogster, do you mean the two idiots that resisted arrest and then one of them tried to run them over with avehicle and the other on who had a gun with 2 clips?
Are those the ones you are talking about?

I see those two the leftist liberal anarchist portray as victims are actually criminals who attempted to commit a homicide

Their death is on their irresponsible criminal behavior

ICE did the best job they could do under the chaotic circumstances the Minnesota government enabled

 

[dpic73]

Wait, come on. They already invested $40 trillion dollars into our red hot economy. Indian givers!

Why aren't they appreciative of black rain? Assh0les!



This cuck is even fighting with the illustrious Lindsey Graham!

 

[PawPride]

 

[Fac]

Do you really need to see a poll to understand that a draft, particularly for this adventure) would be DEEPLY unpopular? C'mon now, Man-with-Whataboutism-Tourette's.

You three keep proving my point. Very entertaining.

poster formally know as Mrs. Fapper.

 

[ANEW]

That billionaire al Habtoor has been among those supporting Trump's Board of Peace and Trump in general. But his country is now suddenly in the middle of these hostilities through no fault of its own. The removal of Khamenei is probably a good thing (I'd say positively a good thing, but we still don't know what kind of government will succeed him), and eliminating Iran's ability to initiate military attacks and block shipping traffic through the Strait of Hormuz is also a good thing. But this war will also have some negative consequences. It is not anti-American to point them out, as al Habtoor just did.

i used "foreign and anti-american" when i should have said, " and/or "

Ruling folks in all these gulf countries knew or suspected that this stuff was going to go down. They have been under threat from iran for a while and life woudl be better for them without that. But the flip side to that is that if Iran ever goes full-on freedom and democracy (gonna be a tough one), that could, and probably would, lead to problems at home with local populations wanting more social freedom, say in the government etc. The other obvious flip side is Iran lashing out like it is doing. The gulf states have put their bets, at least for now, on Team America, hoping we'll see this through. IMO.

 

[Fac]

Draft

Please tell me you’re not really entertaining that

Hook, line and sinker. They make this board very entertaining.

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

Hook, line and sinker. They make this board very entertaining.

They really do.
“Ice is literally arresting 5 yr olds”
“Trump raped a 13 yr old”

It’s like Retard Reddit around here

 

[ANEW]

I don't think the US wanted Israel to strike Iran's oil infrastructure. I'm trying to understand the reasoning behind it but i'm not coming up with anythng on my own that makes sense.

I can't believe that the US is purposly targeting oil infrastructure. I bet we're pissed that Israel did that.

I'd also say that for public infrastructure. Some stuff, like state run media that can't be hacked, but you want to leave as much infrastructure as possible if you are thinking about "what comes next" and also just ot prevent mass refugees and more of a humanitarian disaster than war already is .

 

[fatpiggy]

I don't think the US wanted Israel to strike Iran's oil infrastructure. I'm trying to understand the reasoning behind it but i'm not coming up with anythng on my own that makes sense.

I can't believe that the US is purposly targeting oil infrastructure. I bet we're pissed that Israel did that.

I'd also say that for public infrastructure. Some stuff, like state run media that can't be hacked, but you want to leave as much infrastructure as possible if you are thinking about "what comes next" and also just ot prevent mass refugees and more of a humanitarian disaster than war already is .

I have lost a TON of respect for Israel over the last month.

 

[yoshi121374]

I have lost a TON of respect for Israel over the last month.

How about for our government who is apparently being Israel's *****?

 

[ANEW]

I have lost a TON of respect for Israel over the last month.

I'm not trying to argue your statement. Just wondering why.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

I don't think the US wanted Israel to strike Iran's oil infrastructure. I'm trying to understand the reasoning behind it but i'm not coming up with anythng on my own that makes sense.

I can't believe that the US is purposly targeting oil infrastructure. I bet we're pissed that Israel did that.

I'd also say that for public infrastructure. Some stuff, like state run media that can't be hacked, but you want to leave as much infrastructure as possible if you are thinking about "what comes next" and also just ot prevent mass refugees and more of a humanitarian disaster than war already is .

If I had to find a motivation, the only one I can come up with is forced escalation. Similar to it sounds like we had a few opposition leaders in mind to take over that were killed by Israeli strikes early on? Both of those, the only thing I can come up with is making it so we have no early out on our end, and the region is forced to take sides overall.

 

[ANEW]

If I had to find a motivation, the only one I can come up with is forced escalation. Similar to it sounds like we had a few opposition leaders in mind to take over that were killed by Israeli strikes early on? Both of those, the only thing I can come up with is making it so we have no early out on our end, and the region is forced to take sides overall.

Yeah. Good one. We (the US / Trump) pulled Israel up short last year, when i dont' think they were done. So giving things a little escalation to ensure this thing keeps going for a bit longer is plausible.

With that said, i don't think that the original couple leadership strikes were a thumb in our eye. Too good of an opportunity (ies) to pass up. Most of those killed had zero redeeming qualities. But maybe we/israel were too successful. I mean noone could have anticipated scoring like that.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Yeah. Good one. We (the US / Trump) pulled Israel up short last year, when i dont' think they were done. So giving things a little escalation to ensure this thing keeps going for a bit longer is plausible.

With that said, i don't think that the original couple leadership strikes were a thumb in our eye. Too good of an opportunity (ies) to pass up. Most of those killed had zero redeeming qualities. But maybe we/israel were too successful. I mean noone could have anticipated scoring like that.

No doubt you're correct, but they had to have something desirable if we had targeted them as future leaders. Pretty sure the admin has stated the first few choices were killed in strikes. Don't think you have them on the list if they are already on your kill list.

This is all conjecture though as a caveat. I know nothing ha.

 

[ANEW]

No doubt you're correct, but they had to have something desirable if we had targeted them as future leaders. Pretty sure the admin has stated the first few choices were killed in strikes. Don't think you have them on the list if they are already on your kill list.

This is all conjecture though as a caveat. I know nothing ha.

All i've got is conjecture as well. What i was trying to say is that Israel / us had intel on a huge group leadership meeting with all the top baddies in it to include #1. so we took that shot... maybe some of the "less bad" were in that group unknowingly or maybe we knew they were, but the shot was too good to pass up. It undoubtedly helped us tactically/operationally at the outset.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

All i've got is conjecture as well. What i was trying to say is that Israel / us had intel on a huge group leadership meeting with all the top baddies in it to include #1. so we took that shot... maybe some of the "less bad" were in that group unknowingly or maybe we knew they were, but the shot was too good to pass up. It undoubtedly helped us tactically/operationally at the outset.

Got you. I guess I had in mind they would've been in separate strikes if they were "opposition" leaders, but I don't know enough to know whether it is like Navalny opposition or like Biden/Trump opposition.

 

[GDead_Tiger]

Right now we have two options to open the SOH

1-Ceasefire

2-Boots on the ground

Clock is ticking on how much economic pain we feel

 

[GDead_Tiger]

Yeah. Good one. We (the US / Trump) pulled Israel up short last year, when i dont' think they were done. So giving things a little escalation to ensure this thing keeps going for a bit longer is plausible.

With that said, i don't think that the original couple leadership strikes were a thumb in our eye. Too good of an opportunity (ies) to pass up. Most of those killed had zero redeeming qualities. But maybe we/israel were too successful. I mean noone could have anticipated scoring like that.

Israel targeted opposition leaders on house arrest, which is bad for our plans. I think we and Israel have opposing goals w/r/t Iran ultimately.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Israel targeted opposition leaders on house arrest, which is bad for our plans. I think we and Israel have opposing goals w/r/t Iran ultimately.

This was what I had in mind. Opposition leaders meaning leaders that wouldn't be welcome at any sort of leadership convention by the Ayatollah. And if it is leaders in house arrest and they are your pick for new leader, or even top 3, you don't strike their house if you are hoping for any sort of quick resolution.

 

[GDead_Tiger]

This was what I had in mind. Opposition leaders meaning leaders that wouldn't be welcome at any sort of leadership convention by the Ayatollah. And if it is leaders in house arrest and they are your pick for new leader, or even top 3, you don't strike their house if you are hoping for any sort of quick resolution.

Yeah Israel wants to turn Iran into a failed state basically

 

[GDead_Tiger]

Saudis shutting down some of their oilfields

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Yeah Israel wants to turn Iran into a failed state basically

Certainly seems that way to me. After all the talks of AI, it certainly appears that Israel told us they were moving forward with us or without us, so rather than letting them attack, and having Iran inevitably include us in their response attacks, we hastily decided to join them. But many of the decisions, like this one, seem to be led by Israel.

No doubt we had and have had plans to attack (meaning "blueprints" not like a calendar date) for years.

 

[ANEW]

Yeah Israel wants to turn Iran into a failed state basically

A failed state that they would have mossad running all over and they woudl have the ability to muck around and keep them that way until some time in the future where maybe somethign better evolves. It was, in my mine, one of the possible outcomes with or without Israel trying to make it one.

But there is a limit to what Israel can do and not get bad blowback from us (say a strike on Kharg Island) , but if that is their preferred end state then they will trade some blowback for removing Iran from the the chessboard to the extent that THEY want, which might not be exactly what the current admin wants.

 

[GDead_Tiger]

A failed state that they would have mossad running all over and they woudl have the ability to muck around and keep them that way until some time in the future where maybe somethign better evolves. It was, in my mine, one of the possible outcomes with or without Israel trying to make it one.

But there is a limit to what Israel can do and not get bad blowback from us (say a strike on Kharg Island) , but if that is their preferred end state then they will trade some blowback for removing Iran from the the chessboard to the extent that THEY want, which might not be exactly what the current admin wants.

Yeah a failed state they can bomb periodically. That would be absolutely catastrophic to be clear

 

[ANEW]

Certainly seems that way to me. After all the talks of AI, it certainly appears that Israel told us they were moving forward with us or without us, so rather than letting them attack, and having Iran inevitably include us in their response attacks, we hastily decided to join them. But many of the decisions, like this one, seem to be led by Israel.

No doubt we had and have had plans to attack (meaning "blueprints" not like a calendar date) for years.

I can't disagree with that.

I am of the opinon that once we had the land based missile defense assets and the naval assets in place it was really just a matter of when this thing was going to kick off. The iranians werent going to negotiate anything away and i think the admin was also going to hold fast as well. Trump already bombed them once so if they won't negotiate and the US admin had a non negotiable position there isn't anything else left to do than go at it.

In the end, i think Israel really only influenced the timing but that's just conjecture.

 

[ANEW]

Yeah a failed state they can bomb periodically. That would be absolutely catastrophic to be clear

That's why this is a wicked problem. Iran with nukes? Catastrophic. Iran with 5x more missles and drones and outstripping our abiliy to counter them and still working on nukes and ICBMs ? Catastrophic. Still a lot of the game left to be played though.

 

[GDead_Tiger]

That's why this is a wicked problem. Iran with nukes? Catastrophic. Iran with 5x more missles and drones and outstripping our abiliy to counter them and still working on nukes and ICBMs ? Catastrophic. Still a lot of the game left to be played though.

Well unfortunately the best option was the nuclear deal Obama had with them, though if we have a time machine we could go back to 1953 and tell MI5 to frick off and not do a coup to protect BP.

What we're doing now is creating Shi'a North Korea on a major world trade route

 

[ANEW]

Well unfortunately the best option was the nuclear deal Obama had with them, though if we have a time machine we could go back to 1953 and tell MI5 to frick off and not do a coup to protect BP.

What we're doing now is creating Shi'a North Korea on a major world trade route

I woudl disagree with the first part of your post. I happen to believe a hard line muslim regime when they say they want death to you and have for decades exported terror and helped kill your citizens are not ever goign to not pursue those goals. Hardened underground facilities and thousands of balistic missles etc. are not needed for a civilian nuclear program.

I agree with your statement in spades about the UK, and us for that matter, supporting that coup. We did some dumb stuff in the 50's and 60's for sure.

I don't totally agree totally with that last part either. Norh Korea is a nuclear power with ICBMs as well as a well constituted military. Thats not going to be Iran after this is done. Iran has always, on and off over the years, threatened and even attacked shipping in the SOH. So that's not a new threat.

 

[GDead_Tiger]

Sounds like Trump and Rubio are trying to de-escalate/extricate us from the war now

 

[Dungeon09]

Sounds like Trump and Rubio are trying to de-escalate/extricate us from the war now

What did we accomplish here?

 

[GDead_Tiger]

What did we accomplish here?

Nothing lol. Just some short term military goals but we've seemingly abandoned our actual strategic and political goals.

 

[baltimorened]

I don't think the US wanted Israel to strike Iran's oil infrastructure. I'm trying to understand the reasoning behind it but i'm not coming up with anythng on my own that makes sense.

I can't believe that the US is purposly targeting oil infrastructure. I bet we're pissed that Israel did that.

I'd also say that for public infrastructure. Some stuff, like state run media that can't be hacked, but you want to leave as much infrastructure as possible if you are thinking about "what comes next" and also just ot prevent mass refugees and more of a humanitarian disaster than war already is .

supposedly Trump wasn't happy with that

 

[baltimorened]

No doubt you're correct, but they had to have something desirable if we had targeted them as future leaders. Pretty sure the admin has stated the first few choices were killed in strikes. Don't think you have them on the list if they are already on your kill list.

This is all conjecture though as a caveat. I know nothing ha.

I personally believe that Israel sees an opening now that we're engaged and is going for the jugular

 

[baltimorened]

Right now we have two options to open the SOH

1-Ceasefire

2-Boots on the ground

Clock is ticking on how much economic pain we feel

I see it this way, not that I know anything...either Iran or US, or both, is looking for someone in the mideast to serve as an arbiter to 1. create a ceasefire and 2. then to get us to the point we want....for us no nuclear materials, for Israel regime change, and for Iran maybe just stop with the bombings (so we can get back to what we were doing before)

 

[GDead_Tiger]

I see it this way, not that I know anything...either Iran or US, or both, is looking for someone in the mideast to serve as an arbiter to 1. create a ceasefire and 2. then to get us to the point we want....for us no nuclear materials, for Israel regime change, and for Iran maybe just stop with the bombings (so we can get back to what we were doing before)

It appears that we have back off of nuclear materials and regime change, at least from what Rubio has said today. Iran is also going to be pretty ticked off