Miss. State baseball facts and comparisions

[Coach34]

Facts:

1. Baseball last won the SEC in 1989- 23 years ago. Since then, basketball has won 2 SEC titles, and Football has played for one.

2. We have made 6 NCAA Tourneys in baseball the last 10 years- Basketball is 6 for 11.

3. Baseball has 2 non-losing SEC seasons in the last 10. So does football. Basketball has 9.

4. We have had the fewest players drafted out of the SEC in the last 5 years- meaning we have had the worst talent of any SEC school.

5. Baseball has one CWS appearance in the last 13 years. Baseball has only 1 Final Four appearance in history- 27 years ago. Basketball has one also- 16 years ago.

6. In the last 20 years- we have finished as high as 3rd in the SEC ONE TIME. Once. In 20 years.

Cohen's 6th place finish last year was our 3rd best in the last 10 years. Turning this turd around is tougher than many of us thought it would be. I dont get on Cohen's *** much because I have been able to recognize that we werent this great baseball power to begin with. And I am not so shortsighted as to see beyond the next game.
We have a young team that should be pretty good next season. But we do the things this year young teams do- make bad throws to allow runners to move up a base, miss hit-n-runs, dont get crucial bunts down, walk too many hitters, inconsistent play, and the big one- unable to win close games.

We will indeed be better next year and have higher expectations- and they will be realistic expectations for a change. Stratton has a 5.00+ ERA last season- and that was with the new bats- so that was really ******- but he grew uip this year. And I'm sure we will have other young players grow up and do the same for next year.

Come off the ledge people

 

[Coach34]

Facts:

1. Baseball last won the SEC in 1989- 23 years ago. Since then, basketball has won 2 SEC titles, and Football has played for one.

2. We have made 6 NCAA Tourneys in baseball the last 10 years- Basketball is 6 for 11.

3. Baseball has 2 non-losing SEC seasons in the last 10. So does football. Basketball has 9.

4. We have had the fewest players drafted out of the SEC in the last 5 years- meaning we have had the worst talent of any SEC school.

5. Baseball has one CWS appearance in the last 13 years. Baseball has only 1 Final Four appearance in history- 27 years ago. Basketball has one also- 16 years ago.

6. In the last 20 years- we have finished as high as 3rd in the SEC ONE TIME. Once. In 20 years.

Cohen's 6th place finish last year was our 3rd best in the last 10 years. Turning this turd around is tougher than many of us thought it would be. I dont get on Cohen's *** much because I have been able to recognize that we werent this great baseball power to begin with. And I am not so shortsighted as to see beyond the next game.
We have a young team that should be pretty good next season. But we do the things this year young teams do- make bad throws to allow runners to move up a base, miss hit-n-runs, dont get crucial bunts down, walk too many hitters, inconsistent play, and the big one- unable to win close games.

We will indeed be better next year and have higher expectations- and they will be realistic expectations for a change. Stratton has a 5.00+ ERA last season- and that was with the new bats- so that was really ******- but he grew uip this year. And I'm sure we will have other young players grow up and do the same for next year.

Come off the ledge people

 

[Coach34]

Facts:

1. Baseball last won the SEC in 1989- 23 years ago. Since then, basketball has won 2 SEC titles, and Football has played for one.

2. We have made 6 NCAA Tourneys in baseball the last 10 years- Basketball is 6 for 11.

3. Baseball has 2 non-losing SEC seasons in the last 10. So does football. Basketball has 9.

4. We have had the fewest players drafted out of the SEC in the last 5 years- meaning we have had the worst talent of any SEC school.

5. Baseball has one CWS appearance in the last 13 years. Baseball has only 1 Final Four appearance in history- 27 years ago. Basketball has one also- 16 years ago.

6. In the last 20 years- we have finished as high as 3rd in the SEC ONE TIME. Once. In 20 years.

Cohen's 6th place finish last year was our 3rd best in the last 10 years. Turning this turd around is tougher than many of us thought it would be. I dont get on Cohen's *** much because I have been able to recognize that we werent this great baseball power to begin with. And I am not so shortsighted as to see beyond the next game.
We have a young team that should be pretty good next season. But we do the things this year young teams do- make bad throws to allow runners to move up a base, miss hit-n-runs, dont get crucial bunts down, walk too many hitters, inconsistent play, and the big one- unable to win close games.

We will indeed be better next year and have higher expectations- and they will be realistic expectations for a change. Stratton has a 5.00+ ERA last season- and that was with the new bats- so that was really ******- but he grew uip this year. And I'm sure we will have other young players grow up and do the same for next year.

Come off the ledge people

 

[Coach34]

Facts:

1. Baseball last won the SEC in 1989- 23 years ago. Since then, basketball has won 2 SEC titles, and Football has played for one.

2. We have made 6 NCAA Tourneys in baseball the last 10 years- Basketball is 6 for 11.

3. Baseball has 2 non-losing SEC seasons in the last 10. So does football. Basketball has 9.

4. We have had the fewest players drafted out of the SEC in the last 5 years- meaning we have had the worst talent of any SEC school.

5. Baseball has one CWS appearance in the last 13 years. Baseball has only 1 Final Four appearance in history- 27 years ago. Basketball has one also- 16 years ago.

6. In the last 20 years- we have finished as high as 3rd in the SEC ONE TIME. Once. In 20 years.

Cohen's 6th place finish last year was our 3rd best in the last 10 years. Turning this turd around is tougher than many of us thought it would be. I dont get on Cohen's *** much because I have been able to recognize that we werent this great baseball power to begin with. And I am not so shortsighted as to see beyond the next game.
We have a young team that should be pretty good next season. But we do the things this year young teams do- make bad throws to allow runners to move up a base, miss hit-n-runs, dont get crucial bunts down, walk too many hitters, inconsistent play, and the big one- unable to win close games.

We will indeed be better next year and have higher expectations- and they will be realistic expectations for a change. Stratton has a 5.00+ ERA last season- and that was with the new bats- so that was really ******- but he grew uip this year. And I'm sure we will have other young players grow up and do the same for next year.

Come off the ledge people

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

because I don't know and don't really feel looking it up.

What is fueling Kentucky's success "this year?"

 

[Dawgbreeze]

Feel better now? Let's see the difference in how you deal with baseball as opposed to basketball. Ooops, we already know. Can't hit, can't field, but as long as coach is on the bandwagon, all is well.

 

[rugbdawg]

to start in SEC games.I guess you arethink Graveman and Mitchell are both going to be starters. Both of these guys will have 5+ SEC ERAs by the end of the year.Clearly, Mitchell has the highest ceiling potential. SEC hitters are batting .306 off of Graveman

If you aren't expecting either of them to start, which would be ludicrous, than you are expecting Lindgren or Will Cox to fill thoserules. Theycertainly haven't pitched enough toshow anything. We know they probably have the ability. Holder can be our closer, no problem there (I think and hope). We still need 3 solid SEC starters. We only have one this year and he is better than solid, he is astud.

Edited to add: I think you are right about our hitting. It should come around next year. But, I see pitching as being our problem next year.

 

[missouridawg]

but I think a quick look at Cohen's first recruiting class will make everyone realize why we're where we're at. Who from his first recruiting class is contributing this year?

Now, I know that argument will be... "b.b.b.b.buuut Cohen's supposed to be a great recruiter?!?!?". Yes, he is. But kids don't want to go play at a place that they aren't sure they can win and develop into a MLB prospect. With each ending season.... and with kids continually getting drafted, Cohen is collecting ammunition for recruiting. The first big thing he got was last years' Super Regional run. He then got 4 guys drafted last year... Next year, he'll have a first or second round pick that he clearly developed in Stratton.

I'll admit, I was hoping for a quicker turnaround, but it just didn't happen.

 

[missouridawg]

Gravemen and Mitchell turn these disappointing seasons into exactly what Stratton has done this year.

Also, what if Routt comes back? I know he hasn't dazzled this year, but he has the potential to be a top tier SEC starter if he puts it together.

And for the record, I can't believe I'm talking about next year. We could go 7-2 over our next 9 SEC games and people will start wondering if we're going to host or not.

 

[57stratdawg]

We have alot of kids not sticking in our baseball program. That first recruiting class is almost all gone except for Stratton. We gave Stansbury hell everytime a kid transferred out, but no one says much about Cohen's turnover rate.

Hard for me to give him a pass for that.

 

[Coach34]

Feel better now? Let's see the difference in how you deal with baseball as opposed to basketball. Ooops, we already know. Can't hit, can't field, but as long as coach is on the bandwagon, all is well.

will play hard and battle to the end. And they will accomplish something next season.

 

[missouridawg]

It happened to Cohen in his first.... when he more than likely had to stretchfrom his recruiting philosphyto get recruits.

When Cohen makes it a habit, I'll criticize him just as much as I criticized Stansbury.

Edited to remove easily misunderstood sentence.

 

[Coach34]

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[mstatefan88]

Oh wait, it was 5.21. It is possible for guys to not be so good one year then be better the next year. The way Graveman pitches, I think he can be a solid weekend starter next year. Evan Mitchell the same thing. Then from there wehave Woodruff, Cox, Fitts, Routt, and possibly Bracewell depending on whatCohen and Butch want to do with him. I thought he would have been a good 5 inning Friday guy this year had he not gotten hurt, even though his best place is probably thebullpen.

Point is we have in there6 to 7 potentialweekend starters next year and I think guys like Woodruff and Cox could really impress and push for those jobs. Wemay not be the best in the conference next year in terms of starters, but it's not like we have nothing there.

 

[GloryDawg]

Cohen firstthree yearswe made one SEC tourney, one regional and one super regional. Polk's last four years he made three SEC tourneys, Three regional, one Super regional and the CWS and got fired. I understand that the program was gutted when he got here but in your fourth year of recruiting and coaching making the SEC tourney should not be in question. I am willing to give him time but not making the SEC tourney in his fourth year is almost unacceptable.

 

[Goat Still Grindin]

Stratton, Graveman, Bracewell, Watson, Girodo, Frost still here from that class. Shepherd, Thigpen, Ogden, Parks, Vickerson, Johnson all graduated last year after contributing heavily. Who did we lose? Bole and Michael Dixon, who haven't amounted to anything anywhere anyway?<div>
</div><div>STOP POSTING ABOUT BASEBALL. YOU KNOW NOTHING.</div>

 

[OzarkaNSW]

Who gives a **** about baseball. I stopped caring after Jaron Shepherd graduated, the dude is dripping in swag. Lets make a trade for Bryce Harper and get this thing back on the right track.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

Look....even after we lost 2 of 3 to LSU and Arkansas on back to back weekends, many of us didn't feel like the season was imploding in front of our eyes.
But then Armageddon began when we lost 2 of 3 to a not very talented Auburn team. The next week we take 2 of 3 from a Vandy team that may be in worse shape that us, while Auburn was losing all 3 to last place Bama. We go into a pivotal weekend at USC, where, if we just hold on to a 3 run lead with 4 outs to get, we have a chance. But Cohen's apparently "cursed" ball team, finds a way to squander that one and probably find themselves second-guessing their coaches, teammates and even the bus driver.

No matter how you slice it, we are now in the bottom 3 and have already made every stinking series the rest of the way a must win(2 out of 3) just to get to .500 in the league.

Since that ain't likely happening (same players will be dressing out and same coaches will be in the dugout), what then, becomes acceptable for the rest of this year?

10-20 in SEC? 11-19, 12-18? That might get a 10th place finish and a trip to Hoover.

 

[windcrysmary]

We sucked dick when he arrived and we still suck dick

 

[CadaverDawg]

Nm

 

[Coach34]

regardless though, Polk left zero foundation- fewest players drafted in the entire SEC the last 5 years- Cohen had no pitching and basically no chance at succeeding his 1st 2 years. So, while you say "year 4"- I call this year 2

 

[Coach34]

because I don't know and don't really feel looking it up.

What is fueling Kentucky's success "this year?"

a 1st round draft pick last season.

 

[57stratdawg]

Ethan Bright
Kolby Byrd
Matt Lane
Jarrod Miller

forgot about them?

 

[HD6]

stop changing the subject just answer the 17ing question.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

But since, I expected a "what's this year got to do with last year response to my question", I researched it myself:

Kentucky's top 9 offensive players:

Austin Cousino-Freshman
AJ Reed- Freshman
JT Riddle-Sophomore
Matt Reida-Sophomore
Cameron Flynn-Junior
Luke Maile-Junior
Zac Zellers-Junior
Thomas McCarthy-Senior
Michael Williams-Senior

That is a very nice balance of classes in your top 9 hitters, wouldn't you agree. But the next 3 are freshman, sophomore and junior, so it looks like he may have started setting Kentucky up for the long haul. We will see.

 

[GloryDawg]

You are the one that ***** all the time that it's about sweet 16 and NCAA tourney berths that mattered in Basketball. Is your argument different in baseball? You are a fool if you would take Cohen's first four years over Polks last four years.

 

[Coach34]

You are the one that ***** all the time that it's about sweet 16 and NCAA tourney berths that mattered in Basketball. Is your argument different in baseball? You are a fool if you would take Cohen's first four years over Polks last four years.

a Sweet 16 gets you some leeway. It allows you to rebuild without panic....

Ron Polk is the reason Cohen's 1st 2 seasons were as ****** as they were. Cohen got the job in June, 2008. Recruiting was basically over. The 2009 team was Polk's and a couple of leftovers Cohen found at the last minute. So you can add 2009's **** team to Polk also. 2010 was the first time any player that Cohen had actually spent time recruiting touched the field.

 

[GloryDawg]

The bottom line is this, Polk's last four yearswere better then Cohen first four and if Polk can be fired after going to the SEC tourney three times, Regional three times, super Regional one time and CWS one time then it stands to reason that Cohen can be fired for worse. I was for Polk leaving and if you want to research you can go back and see I was but as of right now I don't think we improved the situation and to add to thatI don't think would have been worsethe pastfour season if westill had Polk around.I don't hate Cohen and I hope he is successful and he turns things around this season. I just want to win and I don't care who is the coach but we are getting to the point in his cotract that things have to improve and stay there.</p>

 

[Goat Still Grindin]

Does Chase Lewallen and Garrett Pitts count too? Because we signed them but they never showed. <div>
</div><div>Byrd, Lane and Miller all transferred because they couldn't get on the field. Funny how no ones heard from them since. Yes Cohen has to evaluate these guys, but damn, give the man a break, he's got 11.7 schollies for 35 spots. **** happens all over the country, except Georgia with their ******** lotteries and HOPE.</div><div>
</div><div>This is NOTHING similar to the attitude shown in the basketball program. The last attitude problem left last year with Devin Jones.</div>

 

[Goat Still Grindin]

Or is that too damn sensible for you?

 

[Dubs.sixpack]

[No message]

 

[Dubs.sixpack]

shouldn't he get some credit for the Super Regional last year? Cohen can't get credit winning in year 3 but Polk get the blame for us being mediocre in year 4. We gotta be consistent about it.

 

[57stratdawg]

And you're f*cking wrong about Byrd leaving. I would tell you why he left, but you'd just say I have an agenda.

I never said there was an attitude problem, just that players were leaving (and they are). I think 5 out of his 2nd class have transferred as well, plus Dickerson didn't make it to campus.

My point is people say (you, Coach, etc) you can't blame Cohen because we're young. Obviously, you can. When you're having trouble keeping kids in the program, you're always going to be young. Our youth is a direct function of kids transferring out and us loading up on Jr College players. It's not because of Ron Polk.

 

[coursesuper]

because you are running you suck about things you don'tknow muchabout. Garrett Pitts was cut plain and simple.

 

[Goat Still Grindin]

Now I will say that's it's tough business to have to pick and choose your team every year. But that's something that EVERY coach has to deal with, with the scholly limits and roster limits. Don't pin that on Cohen, that IS your ******** agenda. <div>
</div><div>Quit saying you know **** as fact. You don't.</div>

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

Really? Really??????

No more needs to be said. We now know that Goat is actually Nick Mingione.

 

[rabiddawg]

because I don't know and don't really feel looking it up.

What is fueling Kentucky's success "this year?"

it's time.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

By the way, wouldn't Polk's "Elite 8" appearance in 2007 trump Cohen's Sweet 16 appearance in 2011? I mean, since we are suggesting that Cohen deserves more time, shouldn't Polk have been asked to stay on a couple more years? He only really had ONE bad year based on the standards that have now been set for Mississippi Baseball by all the experts. I mean....dang! Shouldn't a CWS appearance warrant forgiveness of one bad year considering that a Super Regional appearance warrants at least 2 more for the great Cohen, the guy responsible for both the excellent 2012 season Kentucky is having...and the ****** one MSU has embarked upon to this point?

If he gets this thing turned around this year and finishes in Hoover and in a Regional, he will have convinced me that he deserves a couple more years to make them a Top 7 SEC program. If he doesn't, then the seat should be so hot next year, even Satan would ask for a fire suit.

 

[digdawg]

Because your inconsistency is a joke but you don't even recognize the irony. You won't let any inconsistency or facts get in the way of you defending your position. MSU football was far worse than MSU baseball (and MSU basketball) the two years before Croom arrived. In year 4, Croom went .500 in the SEC West, and beat several powerhouses in the division. So, how is Cohen doing in year four (when you were crying for Croom to be fired!). Mullen has been living off Croom's recruits since he was fired - there can be no dispute over that.<div> But for Cohen, you say that this is really his year two in your eyes? Because Polk didn't leave him anything? Uh, you think Sherrill left Croom with many players when he was fired in December 2003 with only TWO - both 2 star- commitments?</div><div> You said yourself when Croom was fired, emphatically, that 2-6 in the SEC was NOT acceptable for a football coach and should get any coach fired at MSU. Yet Mullen is 2-6 in the SEC in two out of his three years, and you claim he is the greatest coach in America?</div><div> Firing good coaches sends many a program into misery they never knew they could reach. See David Cutcliffe at Ole Miss for example number uno. Everyone at Ole Miss thought that he was holding them back and they could do better and make that next step if they just got another coach. And then they learned that no one wanted the job, and they still don't today, so they had to hire Hugh Freeze of all people. How low can you go.</div><div> Now MSU fires a good coach in Rick Stansbury and - shocker, shocker - the college basketball coaching world was not beating down the door to get to Starkville, to put it mildly. In fact, we land a coach that was on no one's radar, despite whatever smoke some people want us to inhale. Maybe he will do better than Stans did in his career - but it is huge maybe and most would say it is very unlikely. Very unlikely. But if it happens, I'll gladly admit my prediction was wrong.</div><div> At least read your own posts and recognize the blatant inconsistency between what you write about Cohen and what you wrote about Stans and Croom. </div>

 

[57stratdawg]

If theyre not here, and they weren't cut, they left for other reasons.

Other than Stratton, that entire class is basically not contributing for one reason or another. Some were JUCOs, some didn't like Cohen, etc. but you Cohen apologist say its not his fault we're young this year, but when his entire class basically didn't pan out, you can whistle past that grave yard.