Miss State recruiting

[Coach34]

Our fans have to stop comparing our classes to Ole Miss- we aren't them and have historically recruited differently. They are the "party school". We aren't. It's just a different atmosphere. But what does lead to Miss State recruiting success? Bowl games:

State recruits better the year AFTER we go to a bowl game:


no nowl game in 2004- low ranked class in Feb, 2005
no bowl game in 2005- low ranked class in Feb, 2006
no bowl game in 2006- low ranked class in Feb, 2007
Bowl game in 2007- low ranked class in Feb, 2008
no bowl in 2008- really good class in Feb 2009
no bowl game in 2009- low ranked class in Feb, 2010
bowl game in 2010- low ranked class in Feb, 2011
bowl game in 2011- really good class in Feb, 2012
bowl game in 2012- really good class in Feb, 2013


Bowl game in 2007 led to good recruiting in 2009
Bowl game in 2010 led to a good class in 2012
bowl game in 2011 led to a good class now in 2013
Our recruiting is off to a good start in 2014- why? we went to a bowl game this year


Bowl games lead to Miss State recruiting success- we have to keep the string alive and the recruiting will indeed keep getting better.

 

[TSUNBearHunter]

Profound insight, my friend.

Really...who would have ever thought that bowl game success could help with recruiting.

 

[Coach34]

Profound insight, my friend.

Really...who would have ever thought that bowl game success could help with recruiting.

Well Corky, the common misconception is that a bowl game immediately helps us for that year's recruiting class. It doesnt. The bowl game in 2007 didnt nothing to help that signing class in Feb- 2008. Same for 2010's bowl game and the Feb, 2011 signing class. It's the following year's class that get on board.

 

[Spidey.sixpack]

Our fans have to stop comparing our classes to Ole Miss- we aren't them and have historically recruited differently. They are the "party school". We aren't. It's just a different atmosphere. But what does lead to Miss State recruiting success? Bowl games:

State recruits better the year AFTER we go to a bowl game:


no nowl game in 2004- low ranked class in Feb, 2005
no bowl game in 2005- low ranked class in Feb, 2006
no bowl game in 2006- low ranked class in Feb, 2007
Bowl game in 2007- low ranked class in Feb, 2008
no bowl in 2008- really good class in Feb 2009
no bowl game in 2009- low ranked class in Feb, 2010
bowl game in 2010- low ranked class in Feb, 2011
bowl game in 2011- really good class in Feb, 2012
bowl game in 2012- really good class in Feb, 2013


Bowl game in 2007 led to good recruiting in 2009
Bowl game in 2010 led to a good class in 2012
bowl game in 2011 led to a good class now in 2013
Our recruiting is off to a good start in 2014- why? we went to a bowl game this year


Bowl games lead to Miss State recruiting success- we have to keep the string alive and the recruiting will indeed keep getting better.

What were the rankings?

 

[TSUNBearHunter]

Rivals
05 - 33, 11
06 - 46, 12
07 - 39, 10
08 - 44, 12
09 - 25, 11
10 - 38, 11
11 - 44, 11
12 - 30, 10

Scout
05 - 39, 10
06 - 39, 11
07 - 27, 9
08 - 33, 7
09 - 19, 8
10 - 38, 10
11 - 45, 11
12 - 18, 7

 

[RocketDawg]

I suppose that would be because most of the recruiting occurs during the summer and fall when we don't know whether we will go to a bowl or not, and certainly not which one. There's obviously some flipping around though after the bowl is played, not necessarily because of the bowl outcome.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

I happen to believe our 2010 class was pretty good, regardless of the rankings. We won the MS recruiting battle, stocked up on OL, got some solid JUCO help.

I mean, the difference in these classes seems minimal, outside some hype here or there for some star player. People tend to judge classes based on 3-4 players in it.

 

[RocketDawg]

The subjective rankings in the original post don't match with the numerical rankings, e.g., Feb 2008 is called low with a 21, yet Feb 2009 is called really good with a 25 rank.

What are the second numbers? Rank within the SEC?

 

[gravedigger]

I agree with your premise, just not the "party school" reason. We are different and should embrace that. Compare wins and losses. I let go of the recruiting drama thing a year ago and the only thing I find entertaining about it is how soon people forget how ****** some great classes perform.

 

[Coach34]

Rivals does a crap job. Look at Scout's numbers and now 247 for 2009, 2012, and 2013- huge gap from the other years

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Be careful, olemissbydamn will call you a sheep

 

[RocketDawg]

I think all colleges, except maybe Cal Tech and MIT, are party schools. Some may be a bit worse than others, but almost all have no party drought. And I'm not sure MSU is that much different than Ole Miss ... both are in Mississippi. We're different than, say, Michigan and UVA, but not so different from the Bears. I know some well-off folks that have gone to MSU, and also some not so well-off that went to OM ... my sister-in-law is one, and the son of some friends in Huntsville is another. He went there because it was easy to get in to and he didn't want to work hard. And it still took him 6 years ....

 

[TSUNBearHunter]

The subjective rankings in the original post don't match with the numerical rankings, e.g., Feb 2008 is called low with a 21, yet Feb 2009 is called really good with a 25 rank.

What are the second numbers? Rank within the SEC?

The second numbers are rank within the SEC. Keep in mind that Rival's database includes A&M & Missouri in years prior to their being admitted.

Peaches knew his numbers may not match up with his point, so he was subjective.

You asked why schools might recruit better a year after a bowl win...

Peaches may have learned this from Yancy, as he loves to mention that you don't get as much of a recruiting bump in a bowl year as you do the year after the bowl.

A lot of recruiting is building bonds over time with a player. By the time you go to a bowl in say January, 90% of the ground work for a particular recruit has been laid. It may be too late by then for your bowl excitement to help with the recruit. By January, you may have already been eliminated from a prospect's list, despite the fact that you may be bowling that year. At the same time, a junior prospect may become interested in your bowl success. You recruit that junior prospect for the year after the bowl helped get him interested and you have over a year to create a bond with him.

 

[TSUNBearHunter]

Rivals does a crap job. Look at Scout's numbers and now 247 for 2009, 2012, and 2013- huge gap from the other years

Aside from 2012, Rivals and Scout's rankings for 09-11 are virtually the same.

Since 247 inception:

2011 - Rivals 44 overall, 11 in the SEC
Scout 45 overall, 11 in the SEC
247 38 overall, 11 in the SEC

2012 - Rivals 30 overall, 10 in the SEC
Scout 18 overall, 7 in the SEC
247 26 overall, 9 in the SEC

 

[gravedigger]

A lot of recruiting is building bonds over time with a player. By the time you go to a bowl in say January, 90% of the ground work for a particular recruit has been laid. It may be too late by then for your bowl excitement to help with the recruit. By January, you may have already been eliminated from a prospect's list, despite the fact that you may be bowling that year. At the same time, a junior prospect may become interested in your bowl success. You recruit that junior prospect for the year after the bowl helped get him interested and you have over a year to create a bond with him.

that is a valid point. The length of time it takes to actually secure a commitment is longer than one year. Of course some develop interest over things in the final year, but the real work is done between the jr and sr year evaluating and developing the trust with the kid and his family.

Really hard to tell how much recent success affects decisions in the "short term"

 

[RocketDawg]

You asked why schools might recruit better a year after a bowl win...

Mmm, no, actually I didn't ask that. It doesn't really matter, but I was just agreeing with Peaches' premise that it's the year after a bowl win, and proposed my reason for why that was true.

 

[Coach34]

One is wrong- Rivals had us 44th in 2008- not 21st...that is throwing people off

 

[was21]

17 all this stuff. Just play the damn game.

 

[Coach34]

Aside from 2012, Rivals and Scout's rankings for 09-11 are virtually the same.

Since 247 inception:

2011 - Rivals 44 overall, 11 in the SEC
Scout 45 overall, 11 in the SEC
247 38 overall, 11 in the SEC

2012 - Rivals 30 overall, 10 in the SEC
Scout 18 overall, 7 in the SEC
247 26 overall, 9 in the SEC

Rivals has us 25th in 2009, Scout say 19th...that 6 spots is big- getting inside the top 20....

Hell, look at the gap this year- 247 and Scout have us top 15...Rivals say 21st- 6 or more spots lower

 

[Railin Jemmye]

I think most people would say that the following happened with our classes......

I'm not disagreeing that the bowl game helps. But I'm looking at this beyond the rankings.

2004: Sucked because Croom waited around with Green Bay. Attrition.
2005: Not horrible, but below average. Pulled Fitzhugh out of state, and some star Mississippians, which is to be expected. Decent for Croom's first full year. Folks were optimistic anyway. Lots of attrition.

**Note** Those two classes did form the upperclass of the 2007 bowl team.

2006: Got worked by Orgeron. Did get Dixon and some guys that would become players later, but they were cancelled out by all the misses. Attrition here too.
2007: Returned the favor to Orgeron. Many people thought this class was pretty good. Key JUCOs, Elliot-gate, 4 Horsemen or whatever. If not for attrtion (20/20 hindsight), this class is up there with some of Mullen's. Not sure why we did so well this year, maybe because we had just beaten Alabama?

**Note** JUCOs contributed to the 2007 bowl game almost as much as the previous 3 classes.

2008: Sucked and marred by attrition. Some good players.
2009: Great overall class. Killed it in-state.
2010: Pretty good in my opinion, not as good as 2009. Won the battle in-state.
2011: Mullen got worked for 4 prospects, but still signed a solid, average class.
2012: Nobody can deny this was a great class, who cares the ranking.
2013: Looks to be 2009 levels with the players we're bringing in.

That said, I see previous season success as setting a good foundation, and then up to the coaches to take advantage. We got really lucky in 2009 that Croom laid a good foundation then Mullen came in and closed hard. But since Mullen has been here, we've actually stayed pretty solid except for the **** up in 2011 with C.J. Johnson. So the bowl game definitely helps, but the difference is made with the recruiters. Look at all the attrition in Croom's classes vs. Mullen's.

2007 may just be an aberration.

 

[TSUNBearHunter]

In the overall rankings, 6 spots isn't a huge gap.

I didn't include this year because this year's rankings are not final. They will be final in August or so.

 

[Coach34]

Please fix 2008 for Rivals in your original rankings post

 

[Koldfire]

Any mediocre team goes to a bowl game now. We had a "good" bowl this year, but i don't think it gave many recruits a boner for us. We have to beat ( or at least scare the hell out of some big boys). Play Bama and LSU close and recruits feel that you are close and they are missing link. We need to be in the top half of the SEC. Get in the top 4 and you are making hay.

 

[Bm4c]

Coach 34 should be calling plays or washing the teams towels. Not sure which.

 

[Coach34]

Any mediocre team goes to a bowl game now. We had a "good" bowl this year, but i don't think it gave many recruits a boner for us. We have to beat ( or at least scare the hell out of some big boys). Play Bama and LSU close and recruits feel that you are close and they are missing link. We need to be in the top half of the SEC. Get in the top 4 and you are making hay.

Doesnt matter- we simply have to be in a bowl game period for recruiting to be good. Good, sustained recruiting will help us compete with the big boys. We are on our 2nd good class in a row- and will pull another good class next Feb- why? Because we were in a bowl game this year

 

[Railin Jemmye]

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