Mississippi State basketball thoughts

[dawgstudent]

The expectations I have for Mississippi State basketball is to make the tournament almost every season. Any wins we have in the tournament are gravy.

Mississippi State basketball has made the tournament 14 times in it's history. Chris Jans owns 3 of them.

Mississippi State basketball has made the tournament 3 straight seasons twice in their history. Rick Stansbury did it 2002-2005 (looking at you @shanepower21). The other coach who did it is Chris Jans.

This season sucks. Today sucked even more. Complete lack of effort from all involved. And the fact the players are getting paid to do this makes it even worse. I don't think we will get out of the funk this season. But you don't fire a coach after one bad season. If we don't make the tourney in 26-27, then you do what you need to do. You have to give him a chance to correct it or you might end up where we were in 2012. State's name was trash in the coaching circle and that's how we ended up with a career assistant coach from a program that was historically worse than Mississippi State.

The other caveat to all of this is NIL. We are a limited program as it comes to $$ relative to the rest of the conference. Football is where our bread is buttered and we have chosen to invest in baseball because it such an important sport to our university. Do we spend money on a buyout in basketball?

Even with NIL and a buyout taken into consideration, you should never fire a coach who owns the best first 3 seasons in the history of our program after having one bad season. In today's environment, I think you give Jans another season to right the ship.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

#1 priority should be to improve analytics/research to find undervalued portal guys. Jans has shown he can coach, but the whole program really whiffed on the portal this past offseason.

 

[champdawg.sixpack]

Yes. But furthermore, it seems to me that there is no team It’s all about each player wanting to be “the” guy so they can demand more money next year.

 

[FlotownDawg]

The expectations I have for Mississippi State basketball is to make the tournament almost every season. Any wins we have in the tournament are gravy.

Mississippi State basketball has made the tournament 14 times in it's history. Chris Jans owns 3 of them.

Mississippi State basketball has made the tournament 3 straight seasons twice in their history. Rick Stansbury did it 2002-2005 (looking at you @shanepower21). The other coach who did it is Chris Jans.

This season sucks. Today sucked even more. Complete lack of effort from all involved. And the fact the players are getting paid to do this makes it even worse. I don't think we will get out of the funk this season. But you don't fire a coach after one bad season. If we don't make the tourney in 26-27, then you do what you need to do. You have to give him a chance to correct it or you might end up where we were in 2012. State's name was trash in the coaching circle and that's how we ended up with a career assistant coach from a program that was historically worse than Mississippi State.

The other caveat to all of this is NIL. We are a limited program as it comes to $$ relative to the rest of the conference. Football is where our bread is buttered and we have chosen to invest in baseball because it such an important sport to our university. Do we spend money on a buyout in basketball?

Even with NIL and a buyout taken into consideration, you should never fire a coach who owns the best first 3 seasons in the history of our program after having one bad season. In today's environment, I think you give Jans another season to right the ship.

He definitely will get next year. If we are bad next year, then he needs to go. I don’t think we will be any good next year either, so I expect we will be coach shopping in April 2027.

 

[dawgstudent]

Our buyout for Jans is $11 million after next season according to @8dog.

Chris Jans gets contract extension, raise with Mississippi State basketball in NCAA tournament

Mississippi State basketball coach Chris Jans automatically receives a contract extension and raise with the Bulldogs in the NCAA tournament.

www.clarionledger.com

 

[FlotownDawg]

Our buyout for Jans is $11 million after next season according to @8dog.

Chris Jans gets contract extension, raise with Mississippi State basketball in NCAA tournament

Mississippi State basketball coach Chris Jans automatically receives a contract extension and raise with the Bulldogs in the NCAA tournament.

www.clarionledger.com

 

[patdog]

Our buyout for Jans is $11 million after next season according to @8dog.

Chris Jans gets contract extension, raise with Mississippi State basketball in NCAA tournament

Mississippi State basketball coach Chris Jans automatically receives a contract extension and raise with the Bulldogs in the NCAA tournament.

www.clarionledger.com

Dang! Selmon had negotiated some really bad contracts. Looks like Jans is getting 2 more seasons. We’ll sacrifice another year of basketball before we play that.

 

[civildawg88]

The NIL stuff is an excuse. You can put together a roster of guys that are tough nosed and do the right things for cheap, which I thought was the whole MO for Jans when we hired him. I've always heard our basketball boosters are pretty dang generous. EVERY team in the conference is winning games in the tournament except us and the two times we do make the tournament it's the play in game because our team dropped dumb games.

He will get next year I agree but unless he gets back to defense and changes his offensive philosophy then we are just waiting it out to the end of next year

 

[She Mate Me]

I don't think he should be fired right now, but I also don't think he's the answer. He's not going to lead us to a next level .

So, that's depressing.

Hey, anybody notice how Vanderbilt is now significantly better than us in 3 of the 4 major sports. So great.*** (Granted, that's mostly because Vandy's athletics are really good these days).

 

[ZombieKissinger]

people forget how many good wins we've had under him in the last three years. it just sucks that we've been 8 see or worse in most tournament appearances in the last 20 years. only one i can think of that was better since the stansbury road was the howland 5 seed that lost to Liberty.

Agree with another year. If we suck next year, it's basketball and we didn't waste money on a buyout. If he corrects things, great.

 

[FlotownDawg]

And since you mentioned spending money on baseball, for the amount of money we spend on it, our ROI is terrible. One SEC regular season title since 1989. One log awaited natty, same number as Fresno State and Coastal Carolina. Maybe that will improve with O’Conner, but as of now, our historical success does not match the money we spend on it.

 

[BonzoGoesToCollege]

He's not getting fired, but his staff should be. He needs length on the perimeter and a true PG. I'm tired of watching other teams abuse our 5'10" guards.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

He's not getting fired, but his staff should be. He needs length on the perimeter and a true PG. I'm tired of watching other teams abuse our 5'10" guards.

We really need a true PG that is 6'3"ish or taller which is a big ask because there just are not a lot of them. Hubbard is a liability of defense because of his size and we get abused when we have another short guard in the game. Unfortunately this team cannot score without Hubbard & Epps on the floor. Josh is really a 5'10" #2 Guard, so he will be giving 5-6 inches of height almost every night in the SEC.

 

[onewoof]

Let me list the red flags I see

lazy passes that lead to turnovers
lazy ball handling that leads to turnovers
not even running back on defense after lazy passes and lazy turnovers
lazy rebounding, allowing an opponent to get easy putbacks
lazy defense, allowing a player to blow past you without any resistance
losing by 30+ on your home court
showing no emotion and no heart
opposing team laughing at you during timeouts, on your home court
head coaches and assistant coaches allowing laziness and no heart, clocking in and collecting a free paycheck, so thats what the players do as well

 

[Dogdazey]

Hubbard is another Darryl Wilson. We just don’t have the Marcus Bullard nor Dampierbor Jobes to go with him. There’s no reason in the NIL era that we don’t have another complimentary piece to go along side him. Him carrying the load for two years now is really unacceptable. Sure we don’t have to find another high profile scorer but we do need someone to help and preferably a serviceable post player.

You don’t fire Jans but man you’ve gotta give him a little pressure.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Like I’ve said in other threads. He needs to have new people in place on his talent evaluations.

 

[Shmuley]

The expectations I have for Mississippi State basketball is to make the tournament almost every season. Any wins we have in the tournament are gravy.

Mississippi State basketball has made the tournament 14 times in it's history. Chris Jans owns 3 of them.

Mississippi State basketball has made the tournament 3 straight seasons twice in their history. Rick Stansbury did it 2002-2005 (looking at you @shanepower21). The other coach who did it is Chris Jans.

This season sucks. Today sucked even more. Complete lack of effort from all involved. And the fact the players are getting paid to do this makes it even worse. I don't think we will get out of the funk this season. But you don't fire a coach after one bad season. If we don't make the tourney in 26-27, then you do what you need to do. You have to give him a chance to correct it or you might end up where we were in 2012. State's name was trash in the coaching circle and that's how we ended up with a career assistant coach from a program that was historically worse than Mississippi State.

The other caveat to all of this is NIL. We are a limited program as it comes to $$ relative to the rest of the conference. Football is where our bread is buttered and we have chosen to invest in baseball because it such an important sport to our university. Do we spend money on a buyout in basketball?

Even with NIL and a buyout taken into consideration, you should never fire a coach who owns the best first 3 seasons in the history of our program after having one bad season. In today's environment, I think you give Jans another season to right the ship.

You can tell he really wanted that Arkansas job.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

We basically did a reload this season, and the pieces don't seem to fit.
Jans said couple of weeks ago that he had talked to the players about filling their role.
And it worked for several games, now it is falling apart.

I think too many want their way, not play team ball.
So they just quit and went to thumb sucking.

Jans is a good coach. IMO.

 

[pmack3641]

This team has no 3’s,4’s or 5’s. Freshman Davis-Fleming has a lot to improve on. Epps hot and cold, Hubbard is in a slump but as stated defense is a liability. No bench, so unless Hubbard and Epps are scoring games like this will become common place. Will finish way under in the league and under .500 overall .

 

[Ozarkdawg]

The expectations I have for Mississippi State basketball is to make the tournament almost every season. Any wins we have in the tournament are gravy.

Mississippi State basketball has made the tournament 14 times in it's history. Chris Jans owns 3 of them.

Mississippi State basketball has made the tournament 3 straight seasons twice in their history. Rick Stansbury did it 2002-2005 (looking at you @shanepower21). The other coach who did it is Chris Jans.

This season sucks. Today sucked even more. Complete lack of effort from all involved. And the fact the players are getting paid to do this makes it even worse. I don't think we will get out of the funk this season. But you don't fire a coach after one bad season. If we don't make the tourney in 26-27, then you do what you need to do. You have to give him a chance to correct it or you might end up where we were in 2012. State's name was trash in the coaching circle and that's how we ended up with a career assistant coach from a program that was historically worse than Mississippi State.

The other caveat to all of this is NIL. We are a limited program as it comes to $$ relative to the rest of the conference. Football is where our bread is buttered and we have chosen to invest in baseball because it such an important sport to our university. Do we spend money on a buyout in basketball?

Even with NIL and a buyout taken into consideration, you should never fire a coach who owns the best first 3 seasons in the history of our program after having one bad season. In today's environment, I think you give Jans another season to right the ship.

Stan's couldn't get past the sweet 16 and Jans is stuck at 64.

Stuck at 64, so what's really the point? The $11m buyout I guess.

 

[MSUGUY]

It’s not enough to be a good coach as in the past. More importantly you have to be outstanding at player evaluation of talent, character, and team needs. You need an excellent general manager. Coaching is less important now than player evaluation, football and basketball.

 

[MagicDawg]

Football: Humiliatingly bad.
Basketball: Embarrassingly bad.
Baseball: We love it and look to be good this season, but despite our love it's a distant "who cares" in public perception.

We are like a tiny country church that has some legacy family money holding us steady to survive in the short term, but we're not growing at all while the whole county around us is and has been for years, and the ugly reality is that we're losing ground by standing still. We are stagnant, uninspired, and going through the motions, and the status quo will prevail until the current pastor decides to implement a new vision, or the church decides to implement a new pastor.

 

[PrimeDog]

I’ve said it repeatedly and I still stand by it. I don’t care what history says about how many times MSU has made the tournament.

EVERY team but us and Georgia have made the Sweet 16 or beyond since the year 2000. Our basketball history from the 70s and 80s have nothing to do with the fact that we have fallen behind just about every team in this conference. And Vandy and Georgia are both ranked teams now. So the simple fact is we are pretty much team #15 or 16 in the league as it stands right now. NOT GOOD ENOUGH and definitely not worth paying a coach 4 mill plus.

 

[Seinfeld]

Our buyout for Jans is $11 million after next season according to @8dog.

Chris Jans gets contract extension, raise with Mississippi State basketball in NCAA tournament

Mississippi State basketball coach Chris Jans automatically receives a contract extension and raise with the Bulldogs in the NCAA tournament.

www.clarionledger.com

I’m sorry, AFTER next season? That is disgusting, and Selmon better double up on his fundraising efforts between now and then

 

[Bulldog45]

The NIL stuff is an excuse. You can put together a roster of guys that are tough nosed and do the right things for cheap, which I thought was the whole MO for Jans when we hired him.

I agree. I’m watching Illinois at Purdue and it is fun to watch these guys actually play the game of basketball.

 

[Theconnormead]

I’ve said it repeatedly and I still stand by it. I don’t care what history says about how many times MSU has made the tournament.

EVERY team but us and Georgia have made the Sweet 16 or beyond since the year 2000. Our basketball history from the 70s and 80s have nothing to do with the fact that we have fallen behind just about every team in this conference. And Vandy and Georgia are both ranked teams now. So the simple fact is we are pretty much team #15 or 16 in the league as it stands right now. NOT GOOD ENOUGH and definitely not worth paying a coach 4 mill plus.

I don’t get the mentality of “give him another year to figure it out” when:
A) he’d take another job tomorrow if it were offered,
B) his coaching style doesn’t translate to today’s game, and
C) he’s shown zero ability to recruit quality players or develop them.

And before anyone says, “Well, who’s going to take the job?” — let me reiterate: $4.5–$5.5 million a year is a LOT of money.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

We basically did a reload this season, and the pieces don't seem to fit.

We used blanks.

 

[lazlow]

Let me list the red flags I see

lazy passes that lead to turnovers
lazy ball handling that leads to turnovers
not even running back on defense after lazy passes and lazy turnovers
lazy rebounding, allowing an opponent to get easy putbacks
lazy defense, allowing a player to blow past you without any resistance
losing by 30+ on your home court
showing no emotion and no heart
opposing team laughing at you during timeouts, on your home court
head coaches and assistant coaches allowing laziness and no heart, clocking in and collecting a free paycheck, so thats what the players do as well

 

[BulldogBlitz]

It’s not enough to be a good coach as in the past. More importantly you have to be outstanding at player evaluation of talent, character, and team needs. You need an excellent general manager. Coaching is less important now than player evaluation, football and basketball.

Defense always works though, shots dont always fall. They dont play lock down D. He brought in zero players to play defense.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

I’m sorry, AFTER next season? That is disgusting, and Selmon better double up on his fundraising efforts between now and then

That guy is in O'Connor's office begging him to not be flat.

 

[Anon1749038494]

The biggest issue is the team has quit. They’ve mailed it in.

 

[lazlow]

$

 

[eckie1]

The biggest issue is the team has quit. They’ve mailed it in.

Which is 100% on the coach.

It’s time to retire another Cohen hire.

 

[thekimmer]

100% agree Jan’s has done enough to get next season. With that said, this season is headed so far off the rails that its bringing next season into the hot seat zone.

 

[Maroon13]

"Hub = Super D"??? Child please. Naw.

Jans will get two more seasons minimum. Otherwise it will be another Rick Ray type hire.

 

[Ranchdawg]

I haven't seen a State team play TEAM basketball on offense in years. Yes, the teams have played defense but on offense they just go through the motions like they think it is stupid waste of time. Players stand around while one player dribbles around only to hand the ball off. Ultimately, we shot an ill advised 3 or a guard dribbles in against a center and attempts a lay up. About once every 6 or 7 minutes we will actually run a play and score then back to street ball.

 

[GloryDawg]

We suck.

 

[Anon2444666666]

We suck.

 

[msugolf]

The expectations I have for Mississippi State basketball is to make the tournament almost every season. Any wins we have in the tournament are gravy.

Mississippi State basketball has made the tournament 14 times in it's history. Chris Jans owns 3 of them.

Mississippi State basketball has made the tournament 3 straight seasons twice in their history. Rick Stansbury did it 2002-2005 (looking at you @shanepower21). The other coach who did it is Chris Jans.

This season sucks. Today sucked even more. Complete lack of effort from all involved. And the fact the players are getting paid to do this makes it even worse. I don't think we will get out of the funk this season. But you don't fire a coach after one bad season. If we don't make the tourney in 26-27, then you do what you need to do. You have to give him a chance to correct it or you might end up where we were in 2012. State's name was trash in the coaching circle and that's how we ended up with a career assistant coach from a program that was historically worse than Mississippi State.

The other caveat to all of this is NIL. We are a limited program as it comes to $$ relative to the rest of the conference. Football is where our bread is buttered and we have chosen to invest in baseball because it such an important sport to our university. Do we spend money on a buyout in basketball?

Even with NIL and a buyout taken into consideration, you should never fire a coach who owns the best first 3 seasons in the history of our program after having one bad season. In today's environment, I think you give Jans another season to right the ship.

"The best first 3 seasons in the history of our program" and couldn't do any better than 8-10 in conference play in each year. He's lucky the strength of the conference has allowed him to sneak into the tournament.

Jans now has a worse overall conference record by percentage than Howland and is 4-10 in his last 14 games. At least Ben had winning seasons in conf play multiple seasons and brought in studs, which Jans should be thankful for. Howland inherited a much worse situation coming from the Ray era and now Jans is getting us right back into it. So forgive me if I don't give a s**t about 3 tourney makes in a row with someone else's leftovers while the current main chef is redoing the menu with garbage out of the back dumpster and charging you for Prime steak.

He has 1 year left to get it right, which he won't because he's too stubborn and hard to get along with - players and coaches. Can't attract quality assistants who could run an offense, too hard headed to relinquish control and can't recruit quality players unless they have some issues/baggage.

 

[Wesson Bulldog]

What befuddles me about our team is how can our staff not teach/develop defenders. Defense is easy to learn and execute. We look like we just don't even try.