Mississippi takes down LSU...
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You are talking about OleMiss, and the Banner will say SEC West Champions, not co-champions... That's how they roll up north.
....to beat Arky and lose on a last second shot to Tennessee....but I'm betting on a loss in Fayetteville.
We'll tie for the SECW, Ole Miss will hang a banner, State will flame out but consider the entire season a rousing success because they beat %!!% despite not qualifying for the postseason, and Ole Miss will turn in a sub par showing and be bounced out early.
Everybody wins, everybody loses, we never stop arguing.
Everybody wins, everybody loses, we never stop arguing.
considering their 2nd game would be against UK. Their first would be against who, East #3, UT? It would be very close.
What I wonder about is whether them getting into the top 50 in RPI would help us at all. Obviously it pops up as 2 magical "quality wins" on ESPN. Does the committee really care whether a team we beat twice is #50 or #51? That just seems flawed to me if so.
What I wonder about is whether them getting into the top 50 in RPI would help us at all. Obviously it pops up as 2 magical "quality wins" on ESPN. Does the committee really care whether a team we beat twice is #50 or #51? That just seems flawed to me if so.
Mississippi [19-9 (7-7), RPI: 56, SOS: 64]
The Rebels are back in the bubble discussion not as much for what
they've done over the past few weeks, but for what other bubble teams
haven't done. Ole Miss has dropped five of its past eight games, but
won the past two against Auburn (home) and Alabama (road). The Rebels
have two high-end victories, beating Kansas State 86-74 in the Puerto
Rico Tip-Off on Nov. 20 and UTEP 91-81 in overtime in Southaven, Miss.,
on Dec. 16. Since then, Ole Miss hasn't beaten much of anybody. It has
only two other victories over RPI top-100 opponents, beating South
Carolina at home and Georgia on the road. Worse, the Rebels were swept
by SEC bubble team Mississippi State and lost to Florida at home. Five
of Ole Miss' nine losses came against teams that are ranked in the top
16 of the RPI ratings, and it has only one loss to a sub-100 opponent.
But 15 of the Rebels' 19 victories came against teams that are ranked
No. 102 or worse in the RPI ratings. To have a chance for an at-large
bid, Ole Miss needs to win its last two regular-season games against
LSU at home on Thursday night and at Arkansas on Saturday. It probably
needs to win at least a couple of games in the SEC tournament in
Nashville, Tenn., too.</p>
Mississippi State [21-9 (9-6), RPI: 59, SOS: 126]
After losing at Auburn by nine points on Wednesday night, the Bulldogs
probably only have two ways to reach the NCAA tournament: win the SEC
tournament or beat Tennessee at home Saturday and then reach the finals
in Nashville, Tenn. There just simply isn't enough meat on MSU's resume
to garner much consideration from the NCAA selection committee. MSU's
only win over an RPI top-50 opponent came against Old Dominion in the
South Padre Island Invitational in late November. Besides sweeping
rival Ole Miss and beating the Monarchs, the Bulldogs' best victories
came against Wright State and Georgia. Frankly, that isn't nearly
enough for an at-large bid. The Bulldogs are 1-3 against RPI top-50
opponents and 6-4 against the top 100. Worse, MSU's loss to RPI No. 132
Auburn gives it five defeats against RPI sub-100 opponents, having also
lost to No. 102 Alabama (road), No. 128 Western Kentucky (road), No.
137 Arkansas (road) and No. 155 Rider (home). Ouch.</p>
The Rebels are back in the bubble discussion not as much for what
they've done over the past few weeks, but for what other bubble teams
haven't done. Ole Miss has dropped five of its past eight games, but
won the past two against Auburn (home) and Alabama (road). The Rebels
have two high-end victories, beating Kansas State 86-74 in the Puerto
Rico Tip-Off on Nov. 20 and UTEP 91-81 in overtime in Southaven, Miss.,
on Dec. 16. Since then, Ole Miss hasn't beaten much of anybody. It has
only two other victories over RPI top-100 opponents, beating South
Carolina at home and Georgia on the road. Worse, the Rebels were swept
by SEC bubble team Mississippi State and lost to Florida at home. Five
of Ole Miss' nine losses came against teams that are ranked in the top
16 of the RPI ratings, and it has only one loss to a sub-100 opponent.
But 15 of the Rebels' 19 victories came against teams that are ranked
No. 102 or worse in the RPI ratings. To have a chance for an at-large
bid, Ole Miss needs to win its last two regular-season games against
LSU at home on Thursday night and at Arkansas on Saturday. It probably
needs to win at least a couple of games in the SEC tournament in
Nashville, Tenn., too.</p>
Mississippi State [21-9 (9-6), RPI: 59, SOS: 126]
After losing at Auburn by nine points on Wednesday night, the Bulldogs
probably only have two ways to reach the NCAA tournament: win the SEC
tournament or beat Tennessee at home Saturday and then reach the finals
in Nashville, Tenn. There just simply isn't enough meat on MSU's resume
to garner much consideration from the NCAA selection committee. MSU's
only win over an RPI top-50 opponent came against Old Dominion in the
South Padre Island Invitational in late November. Besides sweeping
rival Ole Miss and beating the Monarchs, the Bulldogs' best victories
came against Wright State and Georgia. Frankly, that isn't nearly
enough for an at-large bid. The Bulldogs are 1-3 against RPI top-50
opponents and 6-4 against the top 100. Worse, MSU's loss to RPI No. 132
Auburn gives it five defeats against RPI sub-100 opponents, having also
lost to No. 102 Alabama (road), No. 128 Western Kentucky (road), No.
137 Arkansas (road) and No. 155 Rider (home). Ouch.</p>
beat UT, lose to UK is probably comparable to what they think a normal 2-1 in the SECT means.</p>
So State can't get in with this scenario: win tomorrow and win 1 in the SECT but Ole Miss can. If State wins tomorrow, they are outright SEC West champs. No way the selection committee would take Ole Miss over State in that scenario if both go 1-1 in the Tourney.
but its better than being 8-8...and the reason they will have a chance due to winning 4 straight games against sub-100 opponents is because of RPI and SOS....
You know as well as I do a 40-something RPI with a SOS in the mid-50's and wins over K-State and Tennessee will have a great shot at getting in
You know as well as I do a 40-something RPI with a SOS in the mid-50's and wins over K-State and Tennessee will have a great shot at getting in
to lose. Those are the 5 teams ahead of Ole Miss in the RPI. If Ole Miss beats Arkansas and Tennessee, they will be under 50. If we beat Tennessee and Florida, we will be under 50. Assuming both of us lose the next game, to Kentucky (Ole Miss) and to Vandy (us), we would get the nod over Ole Miss. We would be 4-3 against the RPI top 50. 4 wins-Tennessee, Ole Miss twice, Old Dominion, losses-Vandy, Kentucky, Richmond. Ole Miss would be 3-6 against the top 50.
We MUST have Ole Miss continue to win. They will not beat Kentucky in the tourney...it is a horrible matchup for them. If Ole Miss wins out until Kentucky, and we beat Tennessee and Florida, we are in. If Ole Miss loses to Arkansas, we have to make it to Sunday. So...seriously, be a Rebel fan for the next week.
Edited to add: In this scenario, we jump Florida. If we don't make it, the SEC will only get three teams. It doesn't matter if Florida loses to us or to Bama in the tourney, if they lose to either, they aren't getting in. Will the SEC get only three teams? No way.
We MUST have Ole Miss continue to win. They will not beat Kentucky in the tourney...it is a horrible matchup for them. If Ole Miss wins out until Kentucky, and we beat Tennessee and Florida, we are in. If Ole Miss loses to Arkansas, we have to make it to Sunday. So...seriously, be a Rebel fan for the next week.
Edited to add: In this scenario, we jump Florida. If we don't make it, the SEC will only get three teams. It doesn't matter if Florida loses to us or to Bama in the tourney, if they lose to either, they aren't getting in. Will the SEC get only three teams? No way.
should they have taken the emphasis off of how you finish? It didn't make a lot of sense to me. But if you look at how they CLAIM to be considering things this year it doesn't matter if they beat KSU in December or yesterday.</p>
21-9, 9-6 in the SEC...RPI around 60- SOS- 113...5 bad losses...key wins over Old Dominion, Mississippi, and South Carolina
adding a win over Tennessee helps our resume, but wont get us in...it would only get our RPI up to around 53-54
5 bad losses with a SOS of 113 is a killer
53 RPI with a SOS around 105 entering the SEC Tourney- what would you think that team needed to do?
adding a win over Tennessee helps our resume, but wont get us in...it would only get our RPI up to around 53-54
5 bad losses with a SOS of 113 is a killer
53 RPI with a SOS around 105 entering the SEC Tourney- what would you think that team needed to do?
that Team A beat Team B twice and was ahead of them in the conference standings, then you are an idiot. There is absolutely no way they would take OM over State in that scenario. The scenario being we both win Saturday and go 1-1 in the tourney. No 17 way.
there is no way that if we both win tomorrow and we both go 1-1 in the tourney, that they will take OM over State. I will keep repeating it as long as you keep replying. I have all day.
Obviously there could still be some separation between us and them, but if we're sitting there within a few RPI spots, a game ahead of them or tied in SEC wins including the tournament, we might find out if it doesn't matter when they had their 2 big wins like they say (they get in and we don't) or if some members use some sense and look at the head to head (we get in and they don't).
If Ole Miss keeps winning it only benefits us even more. If they crack the top 50 then we get two more big RPI wins. A win against UT would then give us 4 RPI top 50 wins which would be twice as many as Ole Miss has. The best thing in the world that could have is for both of us to meet in Nashville.