More facts for the "Fire Stoops" club

[UKani]

Some facts for the naysayers.....

Joker recruited 78 players in 3 years. Of those over 50 did not or will not complete their careers at UK. Of those players only 5 made the NFL. That's good for DEAD LAST of all power conferences. That's also what Stoops inherited, a situation that most football experts called the worst situation of all power conference teams. And never mind that he's already elevated us past South Carolina and maybe Missouri, and y'all saying fire Stoops....smh..

What is wrong with this world today?

Maybe y'all would feel better if Stoops had a more normal progression and didn't take a 2-10 roster to a 5-1 start the next year and come close to beating Florida. That's called overachieving. I guess to this "Fire Stoops" fan club he's a prisoner to his own success from the first half of last season.

Let's face it, if last season was what it was supposed to have been, which is 3 or 4 wins, and then they had this type of season this year, 5-7 and a couple bounces away from 7 wins, then there would be a lot less of this "Fire Stoops" club.

 

[NCukcat62]

We were a couple of "bad bounces" away from being 7-5 last season . Stop making excuses. Coaching was very lackluster. Proof is in the pudding to the great collapse seen thanksgiving weekend.

 

[Ctroberts1024]

Don't bring up his first half season success over the past two years when his record is 1-11 during the second half of the seasons. But keep talking about how good he's been in the first half of the season.

Stoops looks completely lost on the sideline. HIS COACHING cost us 2 wins this year. Players didn't cost us. His clock management and game situation coaching cost us.

 

[oboroCATfan]

After reading your posts I am changing my prediction from 4-8 to 2-10. I think it is inappropriate to heap such a huge expectation on this program after just 3 years.

 

[Parabolicsecan]

We were a couple of "bad bounces" away from being 7-5 last season . Stop making excuses. Coaching was very lackluster. Proof is in the pudding to the great collapse seen thanksgiving weekend.

Unbelievable, a new coach who inherited a dumpster fire and you act as if he's running a traditional powerhouse program into the ground. Simple question, who do you think you would get at UK to replace him? I believe Stoops actually approached the AD about this position and the opportunity to turn this program around. Name the other candidates that were chomping at the bit to do so.

Again I stress, this is UK from the outside looking in. I don't know how many players who had legitimate offers from P5 schools such as Bama, NC State etc...are on the roster but my son came here to help build a program from the bottom up and you guys are constantly complaining. I'm glad the AD had the foresight to see the state of the program, what it would take to turn it around and how to turn it around, this is not a 3 year project

 

[CHAMPCAT11]

Where's 'Dale from Frankfort' when we need him ?

 

[NCukcat62]

Unbelievable, a new coach who inherited a dumpster fire and you act as if he's running a traditional powerhouse program into the ground. Simple question, who do you think you would get at UK to replace him? I believe Stoops actually approached the AD about this position and the opportunity to turn this program around. Name the other candidates that were chomping at the bit to do so.

Again I stress, this is UK from the outside looking in. I don't know how many players who had legitimate offers from P5 schools such as Bama, NC State etc...are on the roster but my son came here to help build a program from the bottom up and you guys are constantly complaining. I'm glad the AD had the foresight to see the state of the program, what it would take to turn it around and how to turn it around, this is not a 3 year project

I didn't say I have faith in stoops nor do I fail to recognize that he inherited a mess. What I do recognize is that there were certain games especially Louisville where the staff as a whole looked out of it. I mean good grief, 31 unanswered points to Louisville is not jokers fault. At all.

 

[Poetax]

Don't bring up his first half season success over the past two years when his record is 1-11 during the second half of the seasons. But keep talking about how good he's been in the first half of the season.

Stoops looks completely lost on the sideline. HIS COACHING cost us 2 wins this year. Players didn't cost us. His clock management and game situation coaching cost us.

I'm not going to be silly enough to debate whether Stoops made some bad decisions or not, of course he did. Did he overestimate how big a job this was to do with an inexperienced staff and a sad roster? Yes, big time. But having to learn this job without playmakers is almost suicidal. They definitely have looked like rookies for three years but I'm hoping that with their own roster of better talent it will allow them to be more confident in making decisions on the field. We need to get this freakin gorilla off of this program's back, and we need Stoops To be that guy.

 

[Parabolicsecan]

I didn't say I have faith in stoops nor do I fail to recognize that he inherited a mess. What I do recognize is that there were certain games especially Louisville where the staff as a whole looked out of it. I mean good grief, 31 unanswered points to Louisville is not jokers fault. At all.

Agree on that, choosing to stay in a nickel without bringing a DB down or subbing a LB when it was pretty apparent they were not going to throw the ball, unless it was a 50/50 ball, was a head-scratcher.

Eliot believed the package they practiced all week could stop them ONE time and give the O the chance to put it away.

 

[Formerly Imafan4evr_]

The argument that Stoops inherited one of the worst rosters in P5 football is very valid when judging Stoops' time thus far. Of course, so are the arguments regarding the boneheaded decisions, general mismanagement of any number of otherwise mundane in-game occurrences, the total collapse in two consecutive seasons, etc.

IMO, it isn't fair to run Stoops out of town just yet, but based on actual coaching (not simply recruiting), there are serious questions as to whether he's going to be a great head coach or have any true level of success here. And no, I do not consider the magical 6-6 record to be the high-water mark of what this program should strive to be, nor should it be the definition of success. It's fine short-term, as in "let's try to get to 6 wins next season", but I'd rather 6-6 be a mediocre year for us. That was my hope for his tenure here; 5-7 would be a bad year, generally expecting 7-8 wins and having an outside shot at cracking 9 wins every few years. I felt when Stoops was hired that this would be attainable within 5 or so years. I expected this year to be a bowl year and for the program to build on that momentum. I support giving him next year. But if it goes down the tubes and we limp to 3-9 or 4-8, I believe it's time for change.

 

[Madison Cat]

Unbelievable, a new coach who inherited a dumpster fire and you act as if he's running a traditional powerhouse program into the ground. Simple question, who do you think you would get at UK to replace him? I believe Stoops actually approached the AD about this position and the opportunity to turn this program around. Name the other candidates that were chomping at the bit to do so.

Again I stress, this is UK from the outside looking in. I don't know how many players who had legitimate offers from P5 schools such as Bama, NC State etc...are on the roster but my son came here to help build a program from the bottom up and you guys are constantly complaining. I'm glad the AD had the foresight to see the state of the program, what it would take to turn it around and how to turn it around, this is not a 3 year project

Thank you! I am disappointed in the way things ended the past two years, but we continue to build depth with quality players like your son. We will continue to improve, unfortunately some on here believe that a football program can turn around as quickly as basketball. A lot of the same disgruntled fans were ready to fire Brooks at the same time of his career at UK and now he isk almost a coaching legend here.

I am a season ticket holder and am still excited about UK football! We will win in the future, hopefully next year, but I will continue to support our coach and the young men like your son so long as they give everything they can to the program. Thank you for being part if this board as I truly enjoy your posts and insights!

 

[RackOps]

UKani, I agree with you but I'm not sure why you're creating multiple threads on this.

 

[TJS4UK]

Proof is in the pudding to the great collapse seen thanksgiving weekend.

Rewatch that so called "great collapse". UK was cruising until Boom Wiliams reinjured his elbow and JoJo got pulled due to an injury as well. After that, Horton fumbled the ball twice & the first fumble was VERY costly. That's when the offense began to stall, the defense slowly got gassed & then they got gashed. Even so, UK still led 24-10 with under 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter!! Should've been 27-10 if the kicker hadn't missed a FG that he normally makes when healthy & even more if Horton hadn't fumbled,

Injuries aren't due to coaching. The kickers injury and his missed field goal wasn't coaching. Receivers dropping passes isn't coaching. The defense getting gassed due to injuries on the O isn't coaching. Fumbling can be coaching, but fumbles happen even when ball security is preached.

Furthermore, the officiating crew was not doing UK any favors.

 

[jte123]

If you honestly think UK has improved then go for it.

 

[TJS4UK]

UKani, I agree with you but I'm not sure why you're creating multiple threads on this.

Probably because there are so many multiple threads preaching the opposite.

 

[HSLex]

And never mind that he's already elevated us past South Carolina and maybe Missouri, and y'all saying fire Stoops....smh..

What if they are the teams that moved, not us? If it was truly us elevating ourselves then other teams would not necessarily show the same movement in relation to those two teams. They were 2-14.

 

[UKWinsAgainYep]

Any moron coach could have beat Vandy and UL with our talent level. That's how effing incompetent our coaching staff is.....Don't tell me Joker is the reason we lost to Vandy and UL and went OT vs. EKU. Give me a freakin' break.

UK football is a dumpster fire. I'm sick and tired of getting my hopes up like I did this year. Barnhart should have been fired a long time ago. He can't even find a coach to beat UL, Vandy, or WKU consistently. Just think about that for a second how awful that track record is...

 

[NCukcat62]

Rewatch that so called "great collapse". UK was cruising until Boom Wiliams reinjured his elbow and JoJo got pulled due to an injury as well. After that, Horton fumbled the ball twice & the first fumble was VERY costly. That's when the offense began to stall, the defense slowly got gassed & then they got gashed. Even so, UK still led 24-10 with under 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter!! Should've been 27-10 if the kicker hadn't missed a FG that he normally makes when healthy & even more if Horton hadn't fumbled,

Injuries aren't due to coaching. The kickers injury and his missed field goal wasn't coaching. Receivers dropping passes isn't coaching. The defense getting gassed due to injuries on the O isn't coaching. Fumbling can be coaching, but fumbles happen even when ball security is preached.

Furthermore, the officiating crew was not doing UK any favors.

You are right. Injuries aren't due to coaching but giving up 31 unanswered points is. No adjustments. Collapse.

 

[Parabolicsecan]

Thank you! I am disappointed in the way things ended the past two years, but we continue to build depth with quality players like your son. We will continue to improve, unfortunately some on here believe that a football program can turn around as quickly as basketball. A lot of the same disgruntled fans were ready to fire Brooks at the same time of his career at UK and now he isk almost a coaching legend here.

I am a season ticket holder and am still excited about UK football! We will win in the future, hopefully next year, but I will continue to support our coach and the young men like your son so long as they give everything they can to the program. Thank you for being part if this board as I truly enjoy your posts and insights!

Firstly, thanks for the compliment! These forums are great a venue for everyone to express their opinions and we are loving the experience with BBN. Now I am baffled however. A coach who is now a legend here had the same struggles as Stoops for 3 years. That would suggest that fans would at least be patient enough to see what Stoops does in year 4 without the bashing wouldn't it?

 

[TJS4UK]

You are right. Injuries aren't due to coaching but giving up 31 unanswered points is. No adjustments. Collapse.

When you don't have the depth (with talent), what can you really do? What adjustments will fix drops or fumbles? Throw it more, so the receivers can drop it more? Run it more, so the 3rd string RB can fumble it more? Either way, the O was without playmakers to move the ball and the D was gassed.

If Boom and JoJo don't go down, I doubt we'd be having this conversation.

 

[8titles_rivals270261]

Rewatch that so called "great collapse". UK was cruising until Boom Wiliams reinjured his elbow and JoJo got pulled due to an injury as well. After that, Horton fumbled the ball twice & the first fumble was VERY costly. That's when the offense began to stall, the defense slowly got gassed & then they got gashed. Even so, UK still led 24-10 with under 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter!! Should've been 27-10 if the kicker hadn't missed a FG that he normally makes when healthy & even more if Horton hadn't fumbled,

Injuries aren't due to coaching. The kickers injury and his missed field goal wasn't coaching. Receivers dropping passes isn't coaching. The defense getting gassed due to injuries on the O isn't coaching. Fumbling can be coaching, but fumbles happen even when ball security is preached.

Furthermore, the officiating crew was not doing UK any favors.

Add to that, Horton "broke a run" and gained 7 yards. Why? Because the UL defense dropped into a cover 2 and shadowed him the whole game knowing he wasn't quick enough to make the MLB miss. That also allowed them to overshadow our receivers/passing lanes so it became nearly impossible to get guys open.

Stoops may have made some suspect calls but I am inclined to believe that it was more because we were so young, and had limited options. I also want to see him coach a better game, lay off the refs as much as he does, and make better adjustments, but that would be much easier if he has depth and can take advantage of mismatches, i.e. The team matures.

 

[theoledog]

Some facts for the naysayers.....

Joker recruited 78 players in 3 years. Of those over 50 did not or will not complete their careers at UK. Of those players only 5 made the NFL. That's good for DEAD LAST of all power conferences. That's also what Stoops inherited, a situation that most football experts called the worst situation of all power conference teams. And never mind that he's already elevated us past South Carolina and maybe Missouri, and y'all saying fire Stoops....smh..

What is wrong with this world today?

Maybe y'all would feel better if Stoops had a more normal progression and didn't take a 2-10 roster to a 5-1 start the next year and come close to beating Florida. That's called overachieving. I guess to this "Fire Stoops" fan club he's a prisoner to his own success from the first half of last season.

Let's face it, if last season was what it was supposed to have been, which is 3 or 4 wins, and then they had this type of season this year, 5-7 and a couple bounces away from 7 wins, then there would be a lot less of this "Fire Stoops" club.

We're just living in a microwave society.........

 

[Blue_White_KY]

Firstly, thanks for the compliment! These forums are great a venue for everyone to express their opinions and we are loving the experience with BBN. Now I am baffled however. A coach who is now a legend here had the same struggles as Stoops for 3 years. That would suggest that fans would at least be patient enough to see what Stoops does in year 4 without the bashing wouldn't it?

Not with this fan base. They see Cal have a high turnover rate of players every season and be successful. They believe football should be the same way after 3 years.

Stoops has made some mistakes but he sure as hell hasn't done a thing to be fired over.

 

[Shydog]

Rewatch that so called "great collapse". UK was cruising until Boom Wiliams reinjured his elbow and JoJo got pulled due to an injury as well. After that, Horton fumbled the ball twice & the first fumble was VERY costly. That's when the offense began to stall, the defense slowly got gassed & then they got gashed. Even so, UK still led 24-10 with under 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter!! Should've been 27-10 if the kicker hadn't missed a FG that he normally makes when healthy & even more if Horton hadn't fumbled,

Injuries aren't due to coaching. The kickers injury and his missed field goal wasn't coaching. Receivers dropping passes isn't coaching. The defense getting gassed due to injuries on the O isn't coaching. Fumbling can be coaching, but fumbles happen even when ball security is preached.

Furthermore, the officiating crew was not doing UK any favors.

sending an obviously injured fg kicker out to try a 51 yarder that he had no chance of making is indeed coaching! Punt the ball!!!

 

[oboroCATfan]

Any realistic fan can see that it is going to take 15-20 more years to get this thing headed in the right direction.

 

[CHAMPCAT11]

Any realistic fan can see that it is going to take 15-20 more years to get this thing headed in the right direction.

You're right. Good chance I'll be dead by then but I'm happy for all of you young guys !!

 

[hunterpapa]

Madison Cat I WAS MAD AFTER THE UL game then came home and realized that Boom and JOJO ,
DIDNT PLAY AFTER HALF TIME, THE DEFENSE WAS WORN OUT THE 4 QUARTER. IF Boom or Jojo had been able to play the whole game we win by at least 2 tds

 

[Snarks]

Don't bring up his first half season success over the past two years when his record is 1-11 during the second half of the seasons. But keep talking about how good he's been in the first half of the season.

Stoops looks completely lost on the sideline. HIS COACHING cost us 2 wins this year. Players didn't cost us. His clock management and game situation coaching cost us.

Agreed, I'm sick of people blaming this on talent. It starts at the top and the coaching was subpar this season.

 

[UKani]

We were a couple of "bad bounces" away from being 7-5 last season . Stop making excuses. Coaching was very lackluster. Proof is in the pudding to the great collapse seen thanksgiving weekend.

Is that all you freaking read? How about reading what came before that, which said if we had normal rate of improvement we wouldn't be near those amount of wins in the first place.... Unbelievable!!!!

 

[UKani]

You guys pointing at boneheaded decisions as to why you want Stoops fired.... Name 1 head coach that UK football was able to grab away from another D1 school who wasn't already on his way out?

Answer is NONE!

UK has never grabbed someone else's head coach. We are always going to have former coordinators and they all will make boneheaded decisions as they learn the position. Why do you all want to restart the process every 3 or 4 years?

 

[UKani]

UKani, I agree with you but I'm not sure why you're creating multiple threads on this.

Because its the most organized way to keep track of the delusion.

 

[Poetax]

Firstly, thanks for the compliment! These forums are great a venue for everyone to express their opinions and we are loving the experience with BBN. Now I am baffled however. A coach who is now a legend here had the same struggles as Stoops for 3 years. That would suggest that fans would at least be patient enough to see what Stoops does in year 4 without them bashing wouldn't it?

You would think so but..............

 

[UK Cats Rock]

1. Simple question, who do you think you would get at UK to replace him?

2. Name the other candidates that were chomping at the bit to do so.

3. ... but my son came here to help build a program from the bottom up.....

4. I'm glad the AD had the foresight to see the state of the program, what it would take to turn it around and how to turn it around,

5. this is not a 3 year project

1. For such a simple question, you sure aren't getting very many answers, are you?


2. Crickets


3. Thank you, thank you, and thank you!


4. You mean, as a parent of a current player, that you think MB has the right attitude and outlook for the football program? Have you not read these boards? ;-)


5. Yes, there have been coaching blunders, but not a coach in America has perfect seasons, and that includes the veterans. Heck, look at the Seahawks in the Super Bowl last year. I seriously, seriously doubt any poster on this board knows how difficult it is to build a program like Kentucky into an SEC contender. I can see the coaching blunders, and I can also see the improvements in the program. I appreciate Stoops and his willingness to take on this challenge. That says a lot about his mentality to me and I'm thankful we have him. I sure as heck didn't expect to be 7-5 at this time although we could have. And while I feel coaching was part of the problem, I also know Stoops has plenty of people to mentor him into becoming a better coach. #AllIn #StoopsTroops #GBB

;- ;-) ;-)

 

[Chuckinden]

First of all, there is not a "rational" fan on here that thinks this is a three year project.

Secondly, Stoops sold these recruits on playing time to get them here. That is the biggest reason those 50 players will not finish here. Most knew they weren't going to get a chance. Ask Josh Clemons and Dy'Shawn Mobley.

I'm all in Stoops corner for two more years. By that time, we should know more about what kind of coach he turns out to be.

 

[Blue_White_KY]

Josh Clemons couldn't stay healthy and don't think he'd beat out Boom anyways.

I don't think Mobley was all that good. Wasn't good at FB and couldn't move to TE. Not a huge loss.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

How long till the blame Joker excuse can no longer be used?

Brooks and Joker did have to deal with an administration whose commitment to the program was. Bah humbug!

Stoops dealings has been more.

*course Louisville recruitment looks like that also.

 

[UKani]

What if they are the teams that moved, not us? If it was truly us elevating ourselves then other teams would not necessarily show the same movement in relation to those two teams. They were 2-14.

The point was that if UK hadn't improved we would have lost both those games. The UK team from his first year or Joker's last year wouldn't beat Missouri or South Carolina.

 

[Krisys]

He deserves 2 more years before people start trying to run him out of town. This is not basketball people. In basketball, you can take a program from the cellar to a title contender with one recruiting task. To accomplish the same in football, it takes upwards of 5+ GOOD recruiting classes. That means redshirting the majority of your freshman as well. Our fanbase I swear....

 

[Chuckinden]

Josh Clemons couldn't stay healthy and don't think he'd beat out Boom anyways.

I don't think Mobley was all that good. Wasn't good at FB and couldn't move to TE. Not a huge loss.

I didn't say he was going to beat out Boom. He was told he wasn't going to play in front of any of Stoops recruits. Mobley was a tenacious player similar to JoJo and could have contributed here. He was the Outstanding Offensive Player in the OVC his first year at EKU, so he has shown he is pretty good.

 

[Krisys]

I want to add, do you people realize that we have 3 offensive linemen coming in this year with offers from ALABAMA? That is the type of player stoops is bringing in. We finally have a coach who is bringing in players whose best offer isn't toledo.