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KingLando

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I think since 2016 (at least at Oklahoma) and he is 65 years old. Seems old and out of the loop to me. And did they play defense when he was coaching the Sooners? That option doesn't excite me either.
He coached a bowl game when Lincoln left and 3-4 years in the XFL (maybe won a title) but yeah it's been like a decade since he was a real coach
 
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He coached a bowl game when Lincoln left and 3-4 years in the XFL (maybe won a title) but yeah it's been like a decade since he was a real coach
They showed him several times on TV during the Oklahoma game last Saturday. He's put on some retirement weight.
 

PSUForever

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Against Michigan State and Nebraska without Dylan--I really just don't understand what people think is happening these past two weeks. How low is the bar?
I agree--he'll likely be with CJF soon.
I think it is simply how he was able to get the team to play close to what were the expectations at the beginning of the season. And he does not have Allar or Rojas to help him. The fact that we actually look like an offense that has an identity and the defense can actually sack the QB and make some disruptive plays. He also was able to get better play out of the O-Line.

I do agree with your premise, though, that first, the competition has been weak and second, it is not like he has implemented some genius coaching strategies, he just did some very fundamental things. The bizarre thing is Franklin could not do it which tells us he had given up on the program and/or there were extenuating circumstances we don't know about.
 

olelion

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Against Michigan State and Nebraska without Dylan--I really just don't understand what people think is happening these past two weeks. How low is the bar?
I agree--he'll likely be with CJF soon.
Nebraska with Dylan may have been worse. He has poor pocket awareness whereas the kid that played was quite elusive
 
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SRURock24

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I believe Mike McCarthy is originally from PA. Is that one of Pat Kraft's new criteria to appease the Terry Smith contingent?
In that case I continue to lobby for Bob Chesney.
He is originally from PA Pittsburgh area but I just threw the name out there doubt seriously he is the so called mystery guy.
 

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Maybe let’s compare the performance against those to teams vs the three against FIU Villanova and Nevada, 3 teams we looked like crap and certainly did not curb stomp. Weekly questions about the QB and WR’s not getting open. What’s up with the OL…etc

Massive difference under Terry.
My response was about Nebraska's QB backup being better than Dylan
We also have to remember, not defending Franklin, those first three games are about trying to figure thing out. We won each of them easily. The problem was CJF didn't figure out what most of us knew--we should have been a run first team that pounded the ball with Kaytron while using Singleton in a variety of ways and run a pro style offense to fit your talent.
Terry didn't have them prepared for Ohio State and badly mismanaged the game at the end against Indiana in typical CJF fashion.
 

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My response was about Nebraska's QB backup being better than Dylan
We also have to remember, not defending Franklin, those first three games are about trying to figure thing out. We won each of them easily. The problem was CJF didn't figure out what most of us knew--we should have been a run first team that pounded the ball with Kaytron while using Singleton in a variety of ways and run a pro style offense to fit your talent.
Terry didn't have them prepared for Ohio State and badly mismanaged the game at the end against Indiana in typical CJF fashion.
Respectfully, what was that offense trying to figure out? Who to throw to now that Warren was gone? For three weeks everyone was questioning this team, fans and media. We didn’t beat any of those teams easily. It looked awful. For a team that was to be championship ready, we looked anything but ready. I totally agree about Kaytron and so did everyone else. But those three games looked nothing like the last three games.

Anyway, we will find out who our coach is shortly. Maybe it’s Engram.
 
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KingLando

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Respectfully, what was that offense trying to figure out? Who to throw to now that Warren was gone? For three weeks everyone was questioning this team, fans and media. We didn’t beat any of those teams easily. It looked awful. For a team that was to be championship ready, we looked anything but ready. I totally agree about Kaytron and so did everyone else. But those three games looked nothing like the last three games.

Anyway, we will find out who our coach is shortly. Maybe it’s Engram.
We won by 35 against Nevada, 46 against Nova and shutout FIU--which one of those games wasn't easy?
They were clearly trying to figure out what the pass offense would look like with the portal kids along with the foolish instance of making Singleton the lead back. I didn't say they looked like the past two (not 3--we were not great against Indiana) as I specifically stated what they were being used to do.
I don't think it's Engram. If rumors are true it's a big name. If they're not--that may be better. I'm still betting on Hartline--he's clearly the best choice IMO
 

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It seems quite odd to me, to fire a coach mid-season, then, hope for an OK coach to gag in a big game, so we could hire him? Why not just keep Franklin if we are going to hire so, so coaches from big name programs who can't win big games? doesn't add up.
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People build relationships with insiders and those with connections.
The plan hasn't changed since day 1. Elko was always the top target if Meyer said no...they'll continue to work on Meyer but Hartline is Plan B. Cignetti was never offered. Rhule was never offered. No one that has gotten an extension other than Elko was even considered. There is allegedly a mystery candidate (two names circulating) but unless Urban has a change of heart the smart money is on Hartline.
How can you speak with such certainty?

Interesting theory, though?
 

ConcealedCarry

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It seems quite odd to me, to fire a coach mid-season, then, hope for an OK coach to gag in a big game, so we could hire him? Why not just keep Franklin if we are going to hire so, so coaches from big name programs who can't win big games? doesn't add up.
BOD were not at all happy with the testimony that emerged in the trial Dr. Scott Lynch v Penn State Health in May of 2024. Much testimony was presented regarding Franklin's interfering with medical treatments and return to play decisions. That, plus his inability to develop a powerful offensive line was all they needed. They were ready.
 

KingLando

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How would he have any idea?
Same reason people claimed rules didn't apply to me on the old board
The reality of the situation is that a bunch of new names are popping up over the past 12 hours. Maybe its all BS maybe not. But I've been consistent since day 1 on what I've said. Cignetti was not being considered. Rhule was not being considered. Elko was target one...they had lots of talks with Urban and still likely are. Hartline is or was (hopefully is) plan B.
 
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PSUForever

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Same reason people claimed rules didn't apply to me on the old board
The reality of the situation is that a bunch of new names are popping up over the past 12 hours. Maybe its all BS maybe not. But I've been consistent since day 1 on what I've said. Cignetti was not being considered. Rhule was not being considered. Elko was target one...they had lots of talks with Urban and still likely are. Hartline is or was (hopefully is) plan B.

We will find out soon enough. It is not Meyer nor Hartline but I don't havet any sources. Just my gut telling me it is not either of them.
 

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Counterpoint: there are 100%, absolutely, without a doubt people on this board who either are close with members of the BOT ,or are close with people close enough to it, that Kraft has conferred with after interviews.

The funny thing is that the pay board on another site has an actual BOT member post about the goings on all the time and another person close to a board member but not on it chimes in correcting him.
nobody who is in a position to know anything is going to talk- or they will no longer be in a position to know anything

and yes, I know that for a fact
 

WestSideLion

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BOD were not at all happy with the testimony that emerged in the trial Dr. Scott Lynch v Penn State Health in May of 2024. Much testimony was presented regarding Franklin's interfering with medical treatments and return to play decisions. That, plus his inability to develop a powerful offensive line was all they needed. They were ready.
I’ve wondered about the role of that testimony in Franklin’s firing. Could PSU have fired him for cause had they acted earlier?

There may not have been a smoking gun with Franklin, but Lynch won his case and a big financial award. Franklin was a major factor there.
 

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Great man and tremendous ambassador for Penn State football, but not a head coach. Recruiting will suffer. PSU needs a coach that can recruit nationwide.
BS, Terry can recruit anywhere and besides we just fired a great recruiter because he was a horrible game time coach who couldn’t beat ranked teams. Terry is a much better game coach and knows how to maximize the talent he has during games.
 
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Itraindogs

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I am curious to see how Terry's gambit to tie himself to Paterno plays out. I suspect not well. I do not believe Kraft will bank his career on the guy down the hall from Franklin and who is very close to the guy you just fired. Right? Wrong? I am neutral., but this was not a savvy political move.
 

Bvillebaron

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Terry's not in the race.
Do you really think even if Kraft wanted to hire him (which he doesn't) he'd get board approval?
Terry knows he's not a legit candidate. It's why he's doing all the things he's doing.
While I don’t know that he is going to hire Smith but if he wanted to do so and the board said no, Kraft should quit immediately. Geez.
 
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KingLando

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I am curious to see how Terry's gambit to tie himself to Paterno plays out. I suspect not well. I do not believe Kraft will bank his career on the guy down the hall from Franklin and who is very close to the guy you just fired. Right? Wrong? I am neutral., but this was not a savvy political move.
Exactly...to me it was done because he knows he's not getting the job.
 

Bvillebaron

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I haven't heard anything about the quality of the interviews but remember it's not just Kraft doing them and people talk. Our search has been less discussed than most.
Most Kraft has had many conversations with many people and "true insiders" like Tom, hear things. And some of us have "friends" that are in situations like that where they hear things.
People seem to believe Landon T & AB but they have no more insight than probably half a dozen of us--in fact, they may be talking to some of the same people.
And, yes, a lot of information is leaked that is untrue for a reason but I've been told throughout the job was Elko's if he wanted it but they'd continue to discuss with Urban and Hartline. I've heard nothing that changes so far.
Name the people who are also conducting interviews and told what you claim or shut the hell up. Sorry big guy but if really had any genuine info you would be the last person I would share it with.
 

KingLando

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Um no.

He may not be getting the job but he did it to rally 90% of the fan base alumni and donors.
No...not even close to 90% of the fan base alumni or donors. They also aren't the ones making the decision
 

Bvillebaron

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Against Michigan State and Nebraska without Dylan--I really just don't understand what people think is happening these past two weeks. How low is the bar?
I agree--he'll likely be with CJF soon.
Did I miss something or was Allar on the sidelines against Nebraska?
 
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KingLando

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Name the people who are also conducting interviews and told what you claim or shut the hell up. Sorry big guy but if really had any genuine info you would be the last person I would share it with.
I repeat what I'm told I can repeat...its a simple concept. Has been that way around these boards for many many years....you don't have to believe me....couldn't care less. Simply stated what I've been told my those who would know. I always love these kinds of posts....as it's supposed to bother me. Some anonymous person doesn't believe me...how will I ever survive?
 
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KingLando

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Did I miss something or was Allar on the sidelines against Nebraska?
Not sure what you think that has to do with the post. The talent level between the two teams is ridiculous and they were without their best player. As good as Allar could have been Kaytron was our best player.
 

Bvillebaron

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I think it is simply how he was able to get the team to play close to what were the expectations at the beginning of the season. And he does not have Allar or Rojas to help him. The fact that we actually look like an offense that has an identity and the defense can actually sack the QB and make some disruptive plays. He also was able to get better play out of the O-Line.

I do agree with your premise, though, that first, the competition has been weak and second, it is not like he has implemented some genius coaching strategies, he just did some very fundamental things. The bizarre thing is Franklin could not do it which tells us he had given up on the program and/or there were extenuating circumstances we don't know about.
Correct and I remember some guy who won 409 games saying take care of the little things and the big things will take care of themselves.
 

WestSideLion

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I am curious to see how Terry's gambit to tie himself to Paterno plays out. I suspect not well. I do not believe Kraft will bank his career on the guy down the hall from Franklin and who is very close to the guy you just fired. Right? Wrong? I am neutral., but this was not a savvy political move.
And how do you reset a program when hiring Smith? Inevitably, you retain a huge chunk of the staff and leader culture under Franklin. And the first time things look Franklin-esque, everyone hits the panic button.

It’s a recipe for major problems if you are Kraft.
 

Bvillebaron

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My response was about Nebraska's QB backup being better than Dylan
We also have to remember, not defending Franklin, those first three games are about trying to figure thing out. We won each of them easily. The problem was CJF didn't figure out what most of us knew--we should have been a run first team that pounded the ball with Kaytron while using Singleton in a variety of ways and run a pro style offense to fit your talent.
Terry didn't have them prepared for Ohio State and badly mismanaged the game at the end against Indiana in typical CJF fashion.
Other than not throwing on 3rd and long with 2:09 left and the clock stopping at 2:00 any way, what else did Smith mismanage at the end of the Indiana game?
 

Bvillebaron

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Respectfully, what was that offense trying to figure out? Who to throw to now that Warren was gone? For three weeks everyone was questioning this team, fans and media. We didn’t beat any of those teams easily. It looked awful. For a team that was to be championship ready, we looked anything but ready. I totally agree about Kaytron and so did everyone else. But those three games looked nothing like the last three games.

Anyway, we will find out who our coach is shortly. Maybe it’s Engram.
You are delusional if you don’t think Penn State win the first 3 games easily.
 
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Bvillebaron

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We won by 35 against Nevada, 46 against Nova and shutout FIU--which one of those games wasn't easy?
They were clearly trying to figure out what the pass offense would look like with the portal kids along with the foolish instance of making Singleton the lead back. I didn't say they looked like the past two (not 3--we were not great against Indiana) as I specifically stated what they were being used to do.
I don't think it's Engram. If rumors are true it's a big name. If they're not--that may be better. I'm still betting on Hartline--he's clearly the best choice IMO
You and I finally agree on something, the only problem would be when they could hire Hartline since the National Championship game is played after both the early signing period and the portal window.
 

KingLando

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You and I finally agree on something, the only problem would be when they could hire Hartline since the National Championship game is played after both the early signing period and the portal window.
The announcement would be made after the Big Ten title game if they play in it