Well, if you can answer those who attack you, you should be able to answer me, who asked you a question without attacking you. But whatever. Have a nice day despite our loss to Penn State -- a loss which shows how far the program needs to go.
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Did we beat them? Did we score on them? No, Iowa is not NC contender quality like Georgia, Ohio State, Alabama, et al. And it's not significant. Because you lost the debate you're splitting hairs to find victory somewhere.
LOL. Move those goalposts bro.
It's not "top tier" now it's "NC contender".
Just because you lost you change what you wanted to debate.
Find one person who thinks a top 15 team isn't "top tier".
Oh and remember when you said Schiano can't beat teams in the Massey Top 60?
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What's the significance of whether or not you consider Iowa to be NC caliber or top tier, which nobody else does? Schiano didn't beat them. He didn't beat Wisconsin, ranked 45. The best team he beat, Northwestern with an interim coach, is ranked 54. MSU, in disarray and which he beat by the skin of his teeth, is ranked 65. VT is ranked 66. Wake me when he beats anyone good.LOL. Move those goalposts bro.
It's not "top tier" now it's "NC contender".
Just because you lost you change what you wanted to debate.
Find one person who thinks a top 15 team isn't "top tier".
Oh and remember when you said Schiano can't beat teams in the Massey Top 60?
OOPS
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Iowa went from completely beatable and putrid offensively to top tier unbeatable in the span of 1 week lolll
Their offense is literally dead last for yards per game and 10th worst in points per game. That's not elite. Their schedule is downy soft. Here is elite:
Pts per game
Oregon 2
Georgia 5
Florida State 7
Washington 9
Michigan 11
Notre Dame 14
Penn State 15
Alabama 16
Ohio State 24
The picture is pretty clear: offense wins. If you have limited resources put them towards offense.
"Nobody considers them top tier"...yet they're voted into the top 15?
Previously you said he didn't beat anyone in the top 60. Obviously that is false. Is top 60 no longer good?
Yes you're right. A rank of 54 is almost as good as Ohio State, and much, much better than a rank of 61. And Iowa is definitely on the same level as Georgia, better maybe. And we beat Iowa!
We had our opportunity but just didn’t get it done. Down 6-0, going into the final period, you Have to make plays to win the game and we just didn’t do so.
Nine other teams thought the same of Iowa and lost as well, so we have good company.
Just using your own ever changing standards.
Who are the teams that beat Ohio State this year? Surely there has to be a few since it's so easy?
We are not on Wisconsin or Iowas level, but neither are most college football teams. So what’s your problem?
They are better resourced and capitalized than we are. Iowa and Wisconsin have spent generations, investing in their football team.,
We are still building our talent base.
You need to get better--and more honest--with your arguing in defense of Coach Mediocrity. Here's what I wrote. Feel free to show me where it's inaccurate to date:
Deja vu all over again. Have people not watched Schiano for 20 years? He makes his reputation on beating teams in the lower half of college football, splitting--at best--with teams in the 40s and 50s, and basically always losing to anyone better. That's his ceiling. He's a coach that will get you a 45th ranked team. One toughly contested loss to Ohio State does not yet show otherwise.
By your definition, aren't most coaches "Coach Mediocrity?" Oh, I forgot -- you consider me too weird to reply to.
Yes they are. And you don't give them raises and extensions unless you're an idiot.
I agree that it is premature to give Schiano a raise and extension. But I think you would find that mediocre coaches often do get raises and extensions; I am thinking, for instance, of Cal's terrible coach who got a long extension. Whether it's wise to give raises and extensions is, of course, a different question. It may seem improper to do so, but evidently the market is giving mediocre coaches raises and extensions, so it can be argued that we ought to do the same.
We ought to do the same dumb things other programs that don't succeed much do?
Often you have to do what everybody else is doing. Employers all the time feel they have to give employees a raise because competitors are doing the same. The employer may gnash his teeth and think it's ridiculous to give the raise, but the employer must do what the market is calling for, or otherwise it becomes impossible to keep or hire employees.
You are under the mistaken impression that the university is an inferior bargaining position to coaches. There are a very small number of head coach jobs at the P5 level. Guys dream their whole lives of getting them. The university will always have candidates to choose from.
Just because lots of people dream of doing something doesn't mean they'll be any good at it.
A new coach that's willing to come to RU is going to basically restart the process of building the program. People are forever talking about firing coaches but then it's always hand-waving and wishful thinking that we can hire someone who will do better.
Right now, GS is doing a lot better (all things considered) than the past two guys (once Flood ran out of GS recruited players, at least). I wasn't a fan of bringing in GS2, but he's here. I would prefer to see him go another couple seasons than start all over with some new coach who might wind up doing even worse.
Oh, sure, you'll have candidates -- but they may not be the ones you really want. If you want the best (or at least the better), it's good to have treated your coach the way comparable schools do.
As you have said, most coaches are mediocre. It's hard to find the ones who aren't.
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But if you lock yourself into a mediocre coach for eternity you have no chance at better unless you want to waste millions buying them out.
A few weeks ago we were "good enough to win the Big Ten West" IIRC. Now "we just don't have the resources to compete" and Iowa is on par with Georgia. But I'm the one moving the goal posts.
True; but you're not going to get a better coach when you replace him if you are regarded as a cheapskate who doesn't extend and give raises when everybody else does.
Again, I don't favor an extension or raise for GS now. But I'm not as opposed to it as you are. If we beat Maryland and win the bowl game, maybe an extension or raise is appropriate. If we win one but not the other, it becomes a very close case for me.
Interesting- this made me look and realize how much harder our schedule is then some of these elites.
OSU played 2 elite teams this year- ND/PSU - their OOC is ND/WKU/Youngstown state
Mich- only elite team was PSU and their OOC E Carolina/UNLV/Bowling Green
PSU is 0-2 against elite teams they faced.
Though, while we wouldn't win it- we would most likely have at least 7 wins already
I'm beginning to agree on the "know nothing".
I suspect it might be people being intentionally obtuse or irrationally exuberant, because there ARE people here that watch alot of college football and yet still make questionable statements devoid of any reality.
So...not true since he beat NW and once VT wins next week...he will be 2-1 versus teams in the 50s.
Anything else?
Or just back to top 15 isn't top tier?
From 2021 on, Michigan has only had one conference loss to MSU. OSU only lost to Michigan. Cult only lost to two of them and then once each to MSU and Iowa.
But...the team that 4 years ago lost every B1G game should now beat beating all of them. On what planet, you'd have to ask them.
I, for one, am really excited for them to claim when we do well next year it's only because we don't play Michigan/OSU/Cult- just like they did with Miami/VT/BC. And, how USC/Washington/UCLA suck.
Oh and of course beating BC (and Hafley who we ofc should have hired) and VT now count for squat, because we should be the only team, out there with Michigan, to have beaten OSU, or some other crap.
It's very predictable.
So the big feathers in Schiano's cap are Northwestern with an interim coach and Virginia Tech who lost to Marshall. Goosebumps. Can a NC be far behind??
Just using your own definitions of Massey Top 60.
Why not set the Massey goal to something unhinged, like claiming top 15 teams are not top tier?