MSU recruiting plan thoughts

Todd4State

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I've seen some people clamoring for Alabama, LSU, etc. type 4-5 star recruits and saying that we should stop recruiting Mississippi as much. I think that would be a fatal mistake for MSU football. You look at our last two players that were picked in the first round and Johnthan Banks who may be selected this year in the first round- all are from Mississippi. Tyler Russell is on the verge of becoming possibly our best QB ever, and Chad Bumphis holds many of our WR records. Both are from Mississippi. Many of the players that we revere at MSU- Smoot, Moulds, Kent Hull, Cooks, etc. are from Mississippi. If you look at Alabama and LSU's roster, while yes, they do recruit nationally some, they still get a good bit of players from their home state. We are in Mississippi, and we need to continue to get players from Mississippi that want to play for and represent their state. Also, it's going to be very difficult to get the true elite players in Texas, Florida, and California away from their in state schools. I'm not saying it can't be done- we are getting Cord Sandberg from Florida after all, but I don't think we can hang our hat on it. Even the RB that we got a commitment from today has ties to Mississippi.

One of the good things that Ron Polk did for MSU baseball was increase the quality of coaching in Mississippi and doing things to promote baseball in Mississippi, and over the years Mississippi has become a very good state for producing baseball talent for its size. We need to do the same for high school football in Mississippi. We need to encourage the MHSAA to change the rules and allow football to start sooner in the public schools. The private schools have 4th grade teams. The public schools should start in 6th grade if not sooner. I think that would help immensely, as well as maybe adding a week of two a days, and promoting football clinics for in state coaches. Another good thing would be for MSU to have a "free combine" for students that can't afford to go to camps and they could get instruction there as well.

The problems that we currently have with our weaknesses are not because we recruit Mississippi heavily, but because we have not quite managed the roster very well going back to Croom. His last class had two o-linemen in it and no legit outside WR, and that's why we paid dearly last year for it, and why we have no deep threat now. The fact that Croom had classes where he didn't recruit a QB are why Dan had only Tyson Lee, a walk-on and Chris Relf to start out with. Those holes also force us to rely more heavily on JUCO players to fill those holes than we should. I know the inevitable- "well Dan has been here for FOUR years and that's long enough to have a WR" comments are coming- but the reality is if you do not have a player at a position, you have to rely either on JUCO's or freshmen/sophomores, or even worse- walk-ons to fill the gaps. Dan knows that and his classes have been a lot more balanced in general. Even if you get JUCO players, you still have to give them time to develop and adjust to the SEC like Pernell McPhee did a lot of times.

Every single year, we should get a QB, 5 OL, 3 WR (2 WR 1 slot), 1 TE, 1-2 RB, 4 DL, 3-4 LB, 4 DB's. That leaves 3-5 for best available or JUCO players. ST players- (K, P, KO specialist, LS), and then also FB's should always be walk-ons. One thing I like about the player that committed to us this weekend is he is very mature for his age, you can tell he has a very good work ethic, and he is a good student. We need to focus on getting players like that- and we do have some on our team right now- because a lot of times those are the players that typically succeed in football as in become star players.
 

CadaverDawg

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Todd, I didn't even have to read far into your post to know you're correct. We are doing the right things, that's why we've been bowling and having our best years since Sherrill. And by doing that, it will open recruits eyes from outside of the state as well, and we'll see it pick up soon(already have if you really think about it). I also agree with your points about high school football in MS.
 

missouridawg

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I've always wondered what kinds of things MSU was doing to help the in-state quality of high school football. It would probably make sense for OM, MSU, USM, and any of the other MS colleges to all pitch into a fund that's used to host clinics, 7-on-7's, etc... for the state. It would do a lot for getting the talent in MS prepared to play past high school.
 

War Machine Dawg

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I'd only add a couple of things to that, Todd.....

1. You're absolutely correct about the need for improvements in the coaching and organization of high school football in MS. One of the biggest problems is the lack of sophisticated passing games in HS. That's why MS struggles to produce college-ready QBs.

2. Part of the reason we've had trouble recruiting WRs goes back to Crxxm. Because we didn't have any, we've been forced to use a run-heavy offense prior to this season. Meanwhile, we're trying to recruit WRs who want the ball. We essentially have to tell them "Believe what I tell you, not what you see." That generally doesn't fly with recruits. They want to see us throwing the ball before they'll consider coming here.

3. I'd be willing to give a GOOD FB/TE type a scholly. Those guys work hard too, no reason to penalize them for their position. Plus, those guys can be a big mismatch in the passing game - see Lutzenkirchen for Auburn.
 

Ace-Leroy

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I've seen some people clamoring for Alabama, LSU, etc. type 4-5 star recruits and saying that we should stop recruiting Mississippi as much. I think that would be a fatal mistake for MSU football. You look at our last two players that were picked in the first round and Johnthan Banks who may be selected this year in the first round- all are from Mississippi. Tyler Russell is on the verge of becoming possibly our best QB ever, and Chad Bumphis holds many of our WR records. Both are from Mississippi. Many of the players that we revere at MSU- Smoot, Moulds, Kent Hull, Cooks, etc. are from Mississippi. If you look at Alabama and LSU's roster, while yes, they do recruit nationally some, they still get a good bit of players from their home state. We are in Mississippi, and we need to continue to get players from Mississippi that want to play for and represent their state. Also, it's going to be very difficult to get the true elite players in Texas, Florida, and California away from their in state schools. I'm not saying it can't be done- we are getting Cord Sandberg from Florida after all, but I don't think we can hang our hat on it. Even the RB that we got a commitment from today has ties to Mississippi.

One of the good things that Ron Polk did for MSU baseball was increase the quality of coaching in Mississippi and doing things to promote baseball in Mississippi, and over the years Mississippi has become a very good state for producing baseball talent for its size. We need to do the same for high school football in Mississippi. We need to encourage the MHSAA to change the rules and allow football to start sooner in the public schools. The private schools have 4th grade teams. The public schools should start in 6th grade if not sooner. I think that would help immensely, as well as maybe adding a week of two a days, and promoting football clinics for in state coaches. Another good thing would be for MSU to have a "free combine" for students that can't afford to go to camps and they could get instruction there as well.

The problems that we currently have with our weaknesses are not because we recruit Mississippi heavily, but because we have not quite managed the roster very well going back to Croom. His last class had two o-linemen in it and no legit outside WR, and that's why we paid dearly last year for it, and why we have no deep threat now. The fact that Croom had classes where he didn't recruit a QB are why Dan had only Tyson Lee, a walk-on and Chris Relf to start out with. Those holes also force us to rely more heavily on JUCO players to fill those holes than we should. I know the inevitable- "well Dan has been here for FOUR years and that's long enough to have a WR" comments are coming- but the reality is if you do not have a player at a position, you have to rely either on JUCO's or freshmen/sophomores, or even worse- walk-ons to fill the gaps. Dan knows that and his classes have been a lot more balanced in general. Even if you get JUCO players, you still have to give them time to develop and adjust to the SEC like Pernell McPhee did a lot of times.

Every single year, we should get a QB, 5 OL, 3 WR (2 WR 1 slot), 1 TE, 1-2 RB, 4 DL, 3-4 LB, 4 DB's. That leaves 3-5 for best available or JUCO players. ST players- (K, P, KO specialist, LS), and then also FB's should always be walk-ons. One thing I like about the player that committed to us this weekend is he is very mature for his age, you can tell he has a very good work ethic, and he is a good student. We need to focus on getting players like that- and we do have some on our team right now- because a lot of times those are the players that typically succeed in football as in become star players.


Very well said.
 

ScoobaDawg

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Im confused... I guess it's not state wide. But I started playing football for my elementary school in 4th grade (this was in 1992) Bayou View in Gulfport.
 

Todd4State

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You are starting to see it more

The private schools have had more sophisticated offenses in general, and I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that they start playing earlier as well as the fact that their players can afford to go to camps and etc.

Olive Branch has a very good spread attack, Brandon and Meridian run balanced spread offenses and have two sophomores that are college prospects, Biloxi has a very good offense and even Bobby Hall runs a spread now at Madison Central, which I've been suggesting that they do for years now. He installs it and all of a sudden, they are allegedly the top offense in 6A statistically even without Dandy Dozen talent. Petal also runs a spread. South Panola is one of the few dinosaurs in 6A left, and I think that's part of the reason why they aren't what they were. They're making strides- albeit small ones.

I think the WR thing goes back even further than Croom- Jackie, Rocky, and Emory all had run oriented offenses. Now that Tyler has come along and is setting school records, it will be interesting to see what happens, but I imagine that we will start to see more and more balance on offense.

I probably should have said h-back instead of TE, so I certainly agree with you about that. But FB's alone that can't split out wide and are basically another blocker like a Patrick Hanrahan or Sylvester Hemphill was more along the lines of what I was talking about as far FB.
 

Todd4State

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I'm not sure

What we did in Madison is you went out for the team in the spring of your sixth grade year and then we played competitively from seventh grade on. I may be incorrect, but I believe that the MHSAA only allows football from 8th grade and up.

Some places, like Oak Grove, have it where the local youth leagues run many of the same concepts and start learning plays that the high school team runs at a young age so that they are ready for high school football.
 

TUSK.sixpack

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Breakdown for the Bammers:

Alabama4841.4%
Georgia2017.2%
Florida108.6%
Lousisiana65.2%
Tennessee54.3%
Texas54.3%
Maryland43.4%
Ohio43.4%
Mississippi32.6%
N Carolina32.6%
S Carolina32.6%
Arizona10.9%
Australia10.9%
California10.9%
Connecticut10.9%
Virginia10.9%
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Carlton31698

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The public schools should start in 6th grade if not sooner. I think that would help immensely

This would also help with the behavior of our 6th graders, That age is where we begin to lose students, giving them Football earlier could help keep some of the hard to reach students on track.
 

FISHDAWG

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Bama to the left of me ... corndogs to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with..... the leftovers