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we'll be employing a passing spread offense. i just don't know how comfortable mullen will be using a different scheme. i think he'll realize, though, that if russell is the best QB on the team (ie we don't get newton), then he'll know he needs to mold the offense around his talents.
it'll be interesting to see how russell looks and what plays are called when he gets his shot.
it'll be interesting to see how russell looks and what plays are called when he gets his shot.
I have a feeling that this spread option read type offense we run with Tyson and a little with Relf will probably not happen as much when Russell comes in. For the personnel and the type of QB we have now, running the option read is a good way to keep defenses on their toes. Hopefully in the next few years, with guys like Perkins and other pretty fast guys,we can just run it straight at you and see if you can catch us. Thats kinda what Florida does with Demps and Rainey, and I think thats what Mullen eventually wants to do.
If you run the zone read and every crashes on the back, he can keep it and get a first down or the like. But he's not what I would consider a threat in the running game.
He more than makes up for that, however, by being a big threat in the passing game. Even though we're putting up good numbers on offense right now, I find myself HOPING we can make a play whenever throw the ball rather than EXPECTING to make the play. I don't like feeling that way. To play big boy football, you need to be able to make some plays in the passing game consistently.
He more than makes up for that, however, by being a big threat in the passing game. Even though we're putting up good numbers on offense right now, I find myself HOPING we can make a play whenever throw the ball rather than EXPECTING to make the play. I don't like feeling that way. To play big boy football, you need to be able to make some plays in the passing game consistently.
It's not such an endeavor like you make it sound, C34. You just tweak your play calling to being more aggressive in the passing game, which opens up the run game without the NEED for a running quarterback.Coach34 said:
Right now, since we have no passing game, we need our QB to have the ability to run enough to make the defense account for him. If we could stretch the field, though, things would really open up for our running backs.
let's not play to our strengths or anything.
Mullen isn't saying that he can't run, just that it isn't his strong point, and we will be playing to those strengths instead.
If you think with Tyler Russell in the game that we will never run the option read, you're even dumber than the people who respond to your troll threads.
Mullen isn't saying that he can't run, just that it isn't his strong point, and we will be playing to those strengths instead.
If you think with Tyler Russell in the game that we will never run the option read, you're even dumber than the people who respond to your troll threads.
granted, relf is a better runner, hence the split time. but lee has proven serviceable, at least, in running the option (if he could only hold on to the damn ball).
follow me here. alex smith was not pat white. but he wasn't dan marino either. we've discussed that before. is lee's running ability that much different than alex smith? i don't know. but if lee isn't considered a "running threat", and russell similarly isn't a "running threat", can russell still be effective enough to run the offense, as lee is doing this year?
ETA - i agree with you, and think he can probably run just enough to not have to completely switch to a houston/oklahoma/texas tech/june jones hawaii style spread passing game.
follow me here. alex smith was not pat white. but he wasn't dan marino either. we've discussed that before. is lee's running ability that much different than alex smith? i don't know. but if lee isn't considered a "running threat", and russell similarly isn't a "running threat", can russell still be effective enough to run the offense, as lee is doing this year?
ETA - i agree with you, and think he can probably run just enough to not have to completely switch to a houston/oklahoma/texas tech/june jones hawaii style spread passing game.
Now one thing about Tyson that is better than Tyler in the run game is that Tyson's feet are a little quicker (think short, quick stride versus long stride). But neither of them are going to be making people miss in the option game (and if we're counting on that, we're in big trouble).
Again, the benefit of Russell in the passing game far outweighs the fact that he's not a big threat in the running game.
Again, the benefit of Russell in the passing game far outweighs the fact that he's not a big threat in the running game.
1. Zone read- read DE, give or pull based on DE's reaction
1. Adding one passing play- make sure OL is in correct protection, read coverage to see if they are in man or zone- check blitzes...once you have distinguished what you believe to be the coverage, snap the ball and make read between primary and secondary WR. Make sure you know all routes by WR's and adjustments to coverage
very drastic change for WR's and QB's...not to mention doubling the amount of time spent in practice by OL on blitz pick-ups
1. Adding one passing play- make sure OL is in correct protection, read coverage to see if they are in man or zone- check blitzes...once you have distinguished what you believe to be the coverage, snap the ball and make read between primary and secondary WR. Make sure you know all routes by WR's and adjustments to coverage
very drastic change for WR's and QB's...not to mention doubling the amount of time spent in practice by OL on blitz pick-ups
1. Play to our strengths? We absolutely will. I don't recall saying we wouldnt.
2. What will our strength be if we sign Newton? Spreading the field, running the football, and hitting big plays in the passing game. It wont be as a passing Spread offense. We will have 3 QB's that are mobile, and Russell. Which way do you think we will go?
3. Russell running the option will look about or worse than Jefferson at LSU- and that aint very good.
4. Our WR's are awful this year. Part of that is youth and inexperience, and because of that we will be better next year. But WR's isnt exactly going to be a major strength next year</p>
5. If you think Russell at QB and firing the ball around is the way our offensive staff wants to progress, then you are more stupid than the stupid people I get to respond when trolling during basketball season.</p>
2. What will our strength be if we sign Newton? Spreading the field, running the football, and hitting big plays in the passing game. It wont be as a passing Spread offense. We will have 3 QB's that are mobile, and Russell. Which way do you think we will go?
3. Russell running the option will look about or worse than Jefferson at LSU- and that aint very good.
4. Our WR's are awful this year. Part of that is youth and inexperience, and because of that we will be better next year. But WR's isnt exactly going to be a major strength next year</p>
5. If you think Russell at QB and firing the ball around is the way our offensive staff wants to progress, then you are more stupid than the stupid people I get to respond when trolling during basketball season.</p>
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Tyler Russell can run at least as well as Tyson Lee. He's not going to be a Randall Cunningham back there, but he can do enough to keep the defense honest.
I think this drama over Tyler Russell is way overblown. He's going to be just fine.
I think this drama over Tyler Russell is way overblown. He's going to be just fine.
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You don't think we already don't spend time on Blitz pickup? It's not like we throw the ball 3 times a game. Blitz pickup is one of those things if coached correctly with decent linemen you shouldn't have to spend a ton of time on anyway after spring ball and fall camp. If we are having to spend more than 30 minutes on this in a given week once a season starts then we have more problems than picking up blitzing defenders. Our O-Line is as well coached as it has been since the late 90's. This is one adjustment that I'm not worried about making.
Is Tyler Russell not potentially waaaaay better than Tyson Lee? What does Lee do that is vastly superior to anything Russell can do? On the flip side, Russell is going to be a better passer and is about 6 inches taller to see over the line. We don't have to change a thing from what we are doing now. It will just be done with a better passer back there. Am I wrong here?
"There's not a package in place for Tyler like it is for Tyson or Chris," Mullen said. "You don't put Tyler in to run the ball because that's not his strong point. Tyler's strong point is standing and throwing the football."
If Russell could run the ball as well as Lee, then Russell could handle the same plays. That is as nice as Mullen can say that Russell can't run the football.
If Russell could run the ball as well as Lee, then Russell could handle the same plays. That is as nice as Mullen can say that Russell can't run the football.
I will completely agree with you that if we sign Newton, Russell won't sniff the field until his junior year, and I'm fine with that, and we will be a run oriented spread offense.
However, if we don't sign him, yes we will be more of a passing based spread, but that doesn't mean we won't run the option read play.
I also don't think our offensive staff gives a damn what kind of offense they are running as long as it's successful. If Russell is their best option (and next year he will be if Newton doesn't sign), they will shape the offense around what he does in the spring. Same thing if we DO get Newton. Our offense will be shaped around what he does in the spring. We will even do this every spring based on who we have coming in and who we have coming back. It's a novel concept among good coaches to do this. I seriously doubt we're going to have the same playbook every single year and just try to fit players in. This isn't Croom that we're dealing with here. Why are you so hell bent on thinking that they want to run the exact same offensive playbook year in and year out? I highly doubt that is the direction they "want to progress" as you said.
However, if we don't sign him, yes we will be more of a passing based spread, but that doesn't mean we won't run the option read play.
I also don't think our offensive staff gives a damn what kind of offense they are running as long as it's successful. If Russell is their best option (and next year he will be if Newton doesn't sign), they will shape the offense around what he does in the spring. Same thing if we DO get Newton. Our offense will be shaped around what he does in the spring. We will even do this every spring based on who we have coming in and who we have coming back. It's a novel concept among good coaches to do this. I seriously doubt we're going to have the same playbook every single year and just try to fit players in. This isn't Croom that we're dealing with here. Why are you so hell bent on thinking that they want to run the exact same offensive playbook year in and year out? I highly doubt that is the direction they "want to progress" as you said.
He was clocked at a 4.5 at some point in JUCO - no clue if that's accurate though. And being 5'8'' probably buys him a couple of yards at times by being able to hide behind o-lineman. He's obviously no Pat White, but I've been more than impressed at how he's ended up at being adequate at running the ball.
Russell is probably about as fast as Relf (4.7/8'ish range), just not nearly as strong. I think Russell runs the biggest risk at being injured should he be asked to run the ball. Relf has the bigger frame and Lee has 2 years of JUCO and 1 year of SEC play heading into the season. He's been in the weight room long enough and taken enough hits to become reliable enough to play against monster D's wanting to tee off on the running QB.
Russell is probably about as fast as Relf (4.7/8'ish range), just not nearly as strong. I think Russell runs the biggest risk at being injured should he be asked to run the ball. Relf has the bigger frame and Lee has 2 years of JUCO and 1 year of SEC play heading into the season. He's been in the weight room long enough and taken enough hits to become reliable enough to play against monster D's wanting to tee off on the running QB.
we were going to run the exact same playbook as this season- but the basis of the offense will be the same. You have to spend alot of time installing the option, working on mesh points (which we still have trouble handling), working on making a good pitch...and if we have to go to more of a passed-based Spread with Russell, you will see much less of it because of the time factor. More time will be spent on reading coverages, working on timing with passes, adjustments to blitzes, and the like.</p>
And if we dont sign Newton, our QB will run the ball alot less than what you see out of Lee currently. From what I have seen of Russell, he looks like a slightly smaller Jamarcus Russell mobility-wise, and that isnt a compliment</p>
And if we dont sign Newton, our QB will run the ball alot less than what you see out of Lee currently. From what I have seen of Russell, he looks like a slightly smaller Jamarcus Russell mobility-wise, and that isnt a compliment</p>
Lee was a great runner- didnt happen. He is adequate, but has quick feet and decent speed (4.6-4.7). Russell was clocked at 4.8-something in HS, which means he is probably a 4.9-5.0
Russell is in no way a dual-threat QB, he is a drop-back passer.
aGAIN, Russell is going to be similar to a smaller version of Jamarcus Russell
Russell is in no way a dual-threat QB, he is a drop-back passer.
aGAIN, Russell is going to be similar to a smaller version of Jamarcus Russell
The way he looks in a uniform? Seriously Coach, do you have something against Russell? Is he your new "Stains"?
I think folks are reading way too much into Russell not playing yet. I think Mullen just did not see the need to throw him into this season with a returning senior QB and which was doomed to be a losing year from the time the schedule came out. I see nothing wrong with letting him have a year of learning the offense in practice as a redshirt and then having four more to rewrite our record books.
I think folks are reading way too much into Russell not playing yet. I think Mullen just did not see the need to throw him into this season with a returning senior QB and which was doomed to be a losing year from the time the schedule came out. I see nothing wrong with letting him have a year of learning the offense in practice as a redshirt and then having four more to rewrite our record books.
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TR will be our best QB next year whether we get Newton or not. Learn to deal with that. We need to quit hyping players up before they even get on campus. Last year it was TR. Everybody wanted him to redshirt. Now that he's redshirting, everybody acts like it's just b/c he sucks. Damn we're schitzophrenic. </p>
"I think folks are reading way too much into Russell not playing yet. I think Mullen just did not see the need to throw him into this season with a returning senior QB and which was doomed to be a losing year from the time the schedule came out. "
As we have seen, this season has in no way been a "losing year from the time the schedule came out". We should be 6-1 after tomorrow. You can damn well bet Mullen and his staff didnt look at this season as a losing one when they made the decision on Russell- especially when the head coach declares we "aren't a RS program yet"....Russell isnt playing because he is not ready to play college football. And the fact that he is not as good as what we have at this point is a little troubling. Do I think he gets better? Absolutely. If you remember, I said back in March when all you guys were spouting off about Russell, that not going through Spring practice would make it tough for him to beat out Lee. He will be much better after this Spring.
As we have seen, this season has in no way been a "losing year from the time the schedule came out". We should be 6-1 after tomorrow. You can damn well bet Mullen and his staff didnt look at this season as a losing one when they made the decision on Russell- especially when the head coach declares we "aren't a RS program yet"....Russell isnt playing because he is not ready to play college football. And the fact that he is not as good as what we have at this point is a little troubling. Do I think he gets better? Absolutely. If you remember, I said back in March when all you guys were spouting off about Russell, that not going through Spring practice would make it tough for him to beat out Lee. He will be much better after this Spring.