Mullen is 0-15 vs Top 20 teams...

[121Josey]

He needs to hire Ellis Johnson?

OK, Spurrier is college football's Vince Lombardi.

Yet Dan in his first 4 years at State has done just as well as Vince in his first 4 years at South Carolina. What's that say about Dan?

Maybe?

 

[121Josey]

Smoke n Mirrors

Dan is 5-21 vs teams with at least 8 wins. Where in the 17 did you come up with 1-19?

I also thougth that his record was 1-19. Thanks for fact-checking that stat. So, Dan is 5-21 against 8-win teams. Let's set those wins out for everyone to see. Looks like we have 2 home wins against Middle Tenn State, a win against a TSUN program (significant), a win against an "unhealthy" Urban Myer in the Swamp, and an overtime win against La Tech.

2009
L @Auburn 8-5
L LSU 9-4
L Georgia Tech 11-3
L Houston 10-4
W MTSU 10-3
L Florida 13-1
L Bama 14-0
L @Arkansas 8-5
W TSUN 9-4

2010
L Auburn 14-0
L @LSU 11-2
(Georgia 6-7)
W @ Florida 8-5

2011
L @Auburn 8-5
L LSU 13-1
W(OT) LA Tech 8-5
L South Carolina 11-2
L Bama 12-1

2012
W MTSU 8-3
L Bama 12-1
L TAMU 10-2
L LSU 10-3
L * NWU 10-3

Dan has 1(arguably) "bad loss" in 4 years--in Oxford. How many did Croom and Jackie have in their first 4 years? Bad losses cancel "signature" wins from where I'm sitting. We can go through the numbers, if you'd like -- but you don't want to -- because Mullen is kicking all their asses when you look at it from a LOGICAL PERSPECTIVE instead of blind ILLOGICAL BITCHING.

How are you defining "bad loss"? I can count five (at least 4) of them this year. Do we need to go back to the first three years? Really? If "bad losses" cancel "signature wins", you're in trouble buddy.

Even so, stuff we've accomplished under Dan Mullen that Fishwater doesn't consider "signature":
- Beat an 8-win UF in the Swamp. Last time we won there? 1965. 18 years before I was born. 16 STRAIGHT LOSSES in Gainesville. Not good enough to be considered "signature" though.

We don't play in the Swamp every year. Steve Spurrier never won in Starkville until Dan Mullen in 2011. Florida hadn't won in Starkville in 20+ years until Dan Mullen in 2010. Besides, Florida was dealing with the fact that Urban Meyer forgot how to run the spread offense - I mean his health. They didn't even finish in the Top 25.

- Beat UGA period. Last time that happened? 1974. 9 years before I was born. 9 STRAIGHT LOSSES. Still not good enough for some people that call themselves Mississippi State "fans"

We play Georgia twice every decade. Georgia did finish the season 6-7, so they were due for the beating.

- Won our first SEC game of the season. Last time that happened? 1999. 12 STRAIGHT LOSSES. Doesn't qualify as "signature" though. Jackie accomplished this FOUR times in 13 years. 1996, 97, 98, 99. It's happened 7 times in 33 years -- but no one gives a damn when Mullen breaks these "bad" streaks.

Are you really going to fall back on this stat? We did it 4 straight times and should have done it 5 or 6 straight (whipped #3 Florida at home the next week; in year 6 we win if D. Miller doesn't sprain his ankle).

- Beat Kentucky 4 times in a row. Last time that happened? NEVER. But no one gives a **** about beating UK now -- we just expect to every year -- even though we had NEVER previously accomplished this task.

Not worth touching

- Beat Ole Miss 3 times in a row. Last time that happened? 1942. My deceased grandfathers were being drafted at the ripe old age of 18 to fight in WWII. Neither had met my grandmothers yet. But hey, this is EASY -- Certainly not "signature".

So, we in a game in Oxford and that's historical. The home team is going to win.

- Beat Arkansas period. Has happened 4 times in my lifetime. We had won 1 of the previous 13 prior to this year. Yet, certainly nothing "signature" about beating them while they were down. Nevermind that Croom lost to 5-6 and 4-7 Arky teams, while Jackie lost to 6-6, 4-7, 4-7, and 5-5-1 Arky teams. But by God we are MSU and can certainly, CERTAINLY EXPECT to beat them while they are down**

I don't know what to say. When we beat an Arkansas team, a down TSUN team in Oxford, and put together a string of victories against a fallen Kentucky program, I guess that solidifies us a mid-tier SEC. I mean let's not think back to Mullen in Ark 2010, losing in 2OT.

 

[aTotal360]

We should bring in Crooms to install an offense against Top 20 teams.**

 

[ChinaDogSunflower]

I agree it was not a signature win, just a quick jab at Dan..

My point is that Dan is not getting it done and it looks like he never will at MSU.
It appears that we have peaked under Mullen and we will be lucky to win 6 games next year...

I see no reason to say he's "not getting it done."
When Russell graduates and Dak takes over, it will be much more of a Mullen type offense with a running qb. Tyler is just too much of a talent not to play him. It's like Brantley in the UF offense.

Do I think he is a stubborn jackass that thinks he knows it all? Maybe.
DO I THINK OUR DEFENSE IS SOFT AND NEEDS A NEW DIRECTION THAT WILL INSPIRE A MORE PHYSICAL STYLE OF PLAY? Possibly.

But honestly, with the history of MSU football, if he keeps winning six and taking us to bowl games - doesn't matter what bowl because any trophy is nice - he shouldn't have too warm of a seat...as long as he brings home the trophies.

 

[mstateglfr]

That would means Stans technically made not only the Sweet16, but the FINAL FOUR

2008 n ****.

And there shouldnt be a soul alive that would say he made it to the Final Four, because he didnt. Williams did.

 

[engie]

Better to let everyone here think of you as an idiot, than to challenge what I said and remove all doubt. If you are going to *****, don't wait 3 or 4 days to do it.

How are you defining "bad loss"? I can count five (at least 4) of them this year. Do we need to go back to the first three years? Really? If "bad losses" cancel "signature wins", you're in trouble buddy.

Here is what I call bad losses. Losing to aTm, LSU in DV, Alabama in BD are NEVER bad losses. The Ole Miss game was the worst loss of Mullen's tenure. Funny joke, "buddy."

Jackie:
1991: 5-6 Memphis(23-28) in Starkville
1992: 2-9 LSU(3-24) in Baton Rouge
5-6 South Carolina(6-21) in Columbia
1993: 6-5 Memphis(35-45) in Starkville
5-6 LSU(16-18) in Starkville
Tied 2-8-1 Arkansas St(15-15) in Starkville
Loss to 6-6 Kentucky(17-26) in Starkville
Tied 5-5-1 Arkansas(13-13) in Little Rock
1994: 4-7 LSU(24-44) in Baton Rouge
1995: 2-9 La-Monroe(32-34) in Starkville
4-6-1 South Carolina(39-65) in Starkville
6-5 Ole Miss(10-13) in Starkville
1996: 6-5 Louisiana Tech(23-38) in Starkville
5-6 Georgia(19-38) in Starkville
4-7 Kentucky(21-24) in Lexington
4-7 Arkansas(13-16) in Starkville
1997: 4-7 Arkansas(7-17) in Fayetteville
1998: 5-6 Oklahoma St(23-42) in Stillwater
4-7 LSU(6-41) in Baton Rouge
1999: No bad losses
2000: No bad losses
2001: 7-4 Troy(9-21) in Starkville
2002: 7-6 Oregon(13-36) in Eugene
5-7 South Carolina(10-34) in Columbia
2003: 5-7 Tulane(28-31) in New Orleans
7-6 Houston(35-42) in Houston
4-8 Kentucky(17-42) in Lexington
4-9 Alabama(0-38) in Starkville

Croom:
2004: MAINE(7-9) in Starkville
2-9 Vanderbilt(13-31) in Nashville
7-5 UAB(13-27) in Starkville
6-6 Alabama(14-30) in Tuscaloosa
5-6 Arkansas(21-24) in Starkville
4-7 Ole Miss(3-20) in Oxford
2005: 6-6 Houston(16-28) in Starkville
3-8 Kentucky(7-13) in Lexington
4-7 Arkansas(10-44) in Little Rock
2006: 4-8 Tulane(29-32) in Starkville
4-8 Ole Miss(17-20) in Oxford
2007: 6-6 South Carolina(21-38) in Columbia
2008: 8-5 La Tech(14-22) in Ruston
5-7 Auburn(2-3) in Starkville
5-7 Tennessee(3-24) in Knoxville

Mullen:
2009: No bad losses HM - 10-4 Houston(24-31) in Starkville
2010: No bad losses
2011: No bad losses
2012: 6-6 Ole Miss(24-41) in Oxford

So, why don't you remind me of the "signature wins" that Croom and Jackie had that override ALL these bad losses...if you can?

We don't play in the Swamp every year. Steve Spurrier never won in Starkville until Dan Mullen in 2011.

Spurrier is a grand total of 1-2 in Starkville. Hardly noteworthy.

Florida hadn't won in Starkville in 20+ years until Dan Mullen in 2010.

We had won 5 straight in Starkville against Florida, a good streak in it's own right dating back before they became a powerhouse, but let's ***** about losing to the eventual #2 in 2009 with a crapload of freshmen in a tremendous shootout game. By all means, let's compare that to the 16 straight we lost in Gainesville spanning 47 years.
MSU in Gainesville:
Mullen: 1-0
Croom: 0-1
Sherrill: 0-2(0-3 counting the home game that LT's dubmass sold to Orlando)
Felker: 0-2(0-3 counting the home game that LT's dubmass sold to Orlando)
Bellard: 0-3
Tyler: 0-3
Shira: 0-3
Davis: 1-1-1

Besides, Florida was dealing with the fact that Urban Meyer forgot how to run the spread offense - I mean his health. They didn't even finish in the Top 25.

They finished between 30th and 32nd -- in the others' receiving votes category. But let's ***** about that win, since we had always managed to beat 8-win "down" Florida teams over the years in their house. We lost to AT LEAST 3 terrible Gator teams in Gainesville during that streak.

We play Georgia twice every decade. Georgia did finish the season 6-7, so they were due for the beating.

We've played them 10 times since 1981. That's more than twice a decade, genius. The initial "2 permanent cross-division rivals" setup that had us playing Vandy and Kentucky every year is the ONLY reason we only played them twice in the 90s. That rule was changed as soon as we exploited it for the first time in 1998. We'd lost to them 9 straight times dating back to 1984. Beating a bowl-eligible Georgia team is a DAMN good win, I don't care what you say. How many bowl-eligible Georgia teams have we beaten in our entire history? ZERO prior to 2010. We did beat a 6-6 UGA team in 1974 win in Jackson that would have bowled by today's standards.

Either way, please explain to me how that is not a good win?

Are you really going to fall back on this stat? We did it 4 straight times and should have done it 5 or 6 straight (whipped #3 Florida at home the next week; in year 6 we win if D. Miller doesn't sprain his ankle).

It's a factual stat. Crying because you don't like what it tells you doesn't change the fact. Sure, Jackie did it 4 times in a row -- after losing the first one for his first FIVE years. Our fans of today would have wanted Jackie fired LONG before he ever made it to 1998.

Not worth touching

You don't like what it tells you. That includes 2 Kentucky bowl teams that Mullen beat -- and what would've been 3 UK bowl teams had Charlie Strong stayed out of Louisville. But beating SEC BOWL TEAMS is "not worth touching" -- so that's good to know.

So, we in a game in Oxford and that's historical. The home team is going to win.

Your reading comprehension is a joke if that's all you got out of it. Beating them 3 in a row is the part that IS historic by our standards. MY PARENTS had never lived to see that happen previously -- and you can't use the "we don't play every year" excuse on that one.

I don't know what to say. When we beat an Arkansas team, a down TSUN team in Oxford, and put together a string of victories against a fallen Kentucky program, I guess that solidifies us a mid-tier SEC.

Your damn right it does. Middle of the pack is a big *** improvement over 90% of what I've lived to see. Too many of our dubmass fans refuse to let us crawl before we walk. Those top teams in the SEC weren't built overnight -- they did it over lifetimes.

I mean let's not think back to Mullen in Ark 2010, losing in 2OT.

Damn, your right -- let's be pissed about losing to a SUGAR BOWL team in double overtime! Damn you Dan Mullinz!!1!

 

[engie]

That's a Moot point..

Ole Miss brought in a new coach, we will still have Mullen(a coach he will not change his offense to suit our QB)..

7-5 or 6-6 is our Ceiling next year, if TR is still our QB and we don't run a pro style offense with a FB..

How do you think you know this? Mullen won't change his offense to suit our QB? Are you kidding? What do you think you saw him try to do this year? Chances are great that his OC is fired too for the crap playcalling. That doesn't sound like a "coach that won't change" to me. It sounds to me like a coach that will do everything in his power to get better -- including consistently getting rid of assistants that aren't getting it done.

What I do know is that you can never make the change from spread to pro-style and have success in ONE year. Please show me one example of this EVER happening? I'll show you(at least) 10 of the attempts crashing and burning.

And 3-9 was OM's ceiling this year**