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I know I said I wasn’t gonna do this, but here goes anyway. If you hadn’t heard of Murphy until 2009 then you don’t know much about high school football in North Carolina. Murphy won five titles before the 1a split into two divisions (2a title in ‘74, 1a titles in ‘86, ‘87, ‘91, ‘96) and was runner up in ‘94. They also had a 10-0 record in 1992, which included a 41-0 beatdown of that season’s 1a state champion, but Murphy had to sit out of the playoffs that season. As for 2010 Albemarle, maybe they were the best in all of 1a, but Wallace was ranked #1 in all of 1a going into the 1a title game and they only beat Murphy by one point, so it can be debated. Albemarle returned the bulk of that team in 2011 when they dropped down to 1a and everyone just assumed they would roll through the 1a bracket, and they nearly did too. Too bad for them they ran into a black and gold set of Dogs from the mountains that had other ideas! I’ll never forget how Albemarle’s players came swagging onto the field in warm ups that night with that “The Champ is here” blaring over the loudspeaker, coming over to Murphy’s sideline and dancing and clapping their hands at the Murphy fans! Then they proceeded to get their tails whooped! Classic game, classic night! That was the first of three straight whoopings at the hands of Murphy!
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The game in 2011 came down to field goal kickers...what whooping are you talking about lol. 42-41 yeah that's a whooping..lame.

You got us good in 2013 but that was it playa! lol! Albemarle would have whooped WRH butt in 2010 along with Murphy. Yeah I saw how you guys had that scrambling quarterback in 2010 against WRH...slick little bastard I tell ya...but you lost and Albemarle went on to win their 5th 1AA state title that year. And as far as WRH being ranked #1...where did you get that info from :confused: here :confused:...I have absolutely no respect for ranking on this blog...and you guys damn sure didn't wanna play Albemarle in the mid 90's especially 96 where Starmount refs pulled a fast one...ol well.

And to think that people were riding Taboro because they've been in 1AA since 2010 I believe; and haven't won at this level...well sir they just did...and you've been playing in 1A for how long and have 0...."ZERO" 1AA state titles. You've been playing in pop warner since 2010 after Albemarle sent you on a 4hr trip back home with an L in 2009...


now "WIN 5 1AA STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS" and come holla.
 
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On top of that...ya'll keep recruiting the best talent from weaker opponents....look like you guys are pulling an old Albemarle trick lmao!
 
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So that means a QB is coming in if you don't want to discuss. Well, then that lessens my thoughts on the Murphy tradition, didn't know that had been going on, thought Swain was the SMC team that lived off that. Regardless, Dogs have a great program.
 
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And in the 80's early 90s Thomasville were the "King of the Hill" from 4A-2A and I can pull all the money out of my 401k and bet that Murphy would've never won a single title if T-Ville was 1A...argue all you want, but thats a concrete fact
 
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So that means a QB is coming in if you don't want to discuss. Well, then that lessens my thoughts on the Murphy tradition, didn't know that had been going on, thought Swain was the SMC team that lived off that. Regardless, Dogs have a great program.
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The Hayesville QB that was "rumored" to transfer to Murphy actually transferred to towns county during the football season. As far as the player from Andrews, I have heard nothing on that one. I would tend to believe Larson or Nelson will be under center for Murphy come August.
 
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And in the 80's early 90s Thomasville were the "King of the Hill" from 4A-2A and I can pull all the money out of my 401k and bet that Murphy would've never won a single title if T-Ville was 1A...argue all you want, but thats a concrete fact
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Thomasville was a 2A school not 1A so that does not really matter. As far as being "King of the Hill" you can drop 3A and 4A from that statement. Lost games to larger class schools some years when they made very deep playoff run.
 
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Thomasville was a 2A school not 1A so that does not really matter. As far as being "King of the Hill" you can drop 3A and 4A from that statement. Lost games to larger class schools some years when they made very deep playoff run.
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I know they were 2A at that time tango o_O...T-Ville could play with Central Davidson...and I believe CD was 4A back then. Correct if me I'm wrong....
 
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btango said:
Thomasville was a 2A school not 1A so that does not really matter. As far as being "King of the Hill" you can drop 3A and 4A from that statement. Lost games to larger class schools some years when they made very deep playoff run.
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You're right, btango. But Thomasville also had multiple wins against teams such as High Point Central and Andrews, North Davidson, Davie County and Reidsville. Don't know about any King of the Hill designation, but they certainly held their own. Coach Brown was 146-33 from 1982 through 1995
 
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I know they were 2A at that time tango o_O...T-Ville could play with Central Davidson...and I believe CD was 4A back then. Correct if me I'm wrong....
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Don't think Central Davidson had a winning season in 4A. North Davidson had at least one alignment in 4A and some great games with Tville but do not believe they made any serious playoff runs in 4A. Davie had some good 4A squads and Tville gave all they could handle and probably won a few. That does not qualify as "King of the Hill" but the Red Dogs were always competitive.
 
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You're right, btango. But Thomasville also had multiple wins against teams such as High Point Central and Andrews, North Davidson, Davie County and Reidsville. Don't know about any King of the Hill designation, but they certainly held their own. Coach Brown was 146-33 from 1982 through 1995
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No question, OC. Impressive program. Great run fir years.
 
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Uh dude thats exactly what I've been saying...maybe I need to break it down to simple phonetics. But ill say it again....umm your facts are wrong and you have zero credibility. Tell me what team you coach for, how long youve been coaching, your coaching accomplishments and any of your contributions to the NCHSAA and ill shut my mouth. I can wait take your time I'm sure the list is extensive.
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Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe murpy has won a 1AA Championship! Maybe I missed something. Please enlighten me! I know a whole lot more about this issue than you think!! Maybe the School Board did not pass any policy pertaining to this! Maybe I’ve been mislead the whole time!!
 
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You should be more worried about whether Hayesville can get out of the cellar of the conference.

I love watching us play against you guys and watching your loyal fairweather fans heading to the parking lot in droves at halftime .

Don't you have better things to worry about like how to not lose to Towns County and Copper Basin ? What a joke Hayesville is.
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OK, I get it. You enjoy beating up on the little guys!! Maybe I enjoy watching my neighbors to the East, Franklin HS beating up on the little guy to my West too!
 
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Griddie said:
"Murphy wouldve won 1AA in 2010. Two best teams were small that year."

No, the best team was Albemarle in 1AA. Period.
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Albemarle beat a very young Murphy team the year before by a touchdown. I watched both the 1A and 1AA title games live and it's my opinion that Murphy and WRH were the two best teams in 1A and 1AA that year, you don't have to agree, that's fine.
 
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sway1532 said:
And in the 80's early 90s Thomasville were the "King of the Hill" from 4A-2A and I can pull all the money out of my 401k and bet that Murphy would've never won a single title if T-Ville was 1A...argue all you want, but thats a concrete fact
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I bet that wouldn't stand against 86-87 or 91-92 teams
 
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SamTheMan said:
Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe murpy has won a 1AA Championship! Maybe I missed something. Please enlighten me! I know a whole lot more about this issue than you think!! Maybe the School Board did not pass any policy pertaining to this! Maybe I’ve been mislead the whole time!!
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I am enlightening you. You have been mislead....thoroughly. Still dont know your credibility. Should I ask again? Or are you dodging? Curious.
 
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So let me get this straight... Murphy's starting quarterback next year will either be the QB from Hayesville or the kid that lives in Andrews??? I'm telling ya'... can't make this stuff up folks!
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I am also extremely curious on your credibility? Do tell?
 
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As far as the player from Andrews, I have heard nothing on that one.
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They are referring to Murphy's JV QB #2, apparently living in Tomotla/Marble means you live in Andrews district now. Certainly seems that they are just butthurt that the best JV QB (pure QB, not athlete posing as a QB) in the conference transferred to Murphy. If he was playing for Hayesville would Sam or Fourth be discussing him? No, even though he would be an out of county athlete for them, nothing they're strangers too, despite the poor pitiful Hayesville act. This is an irrelevant discussion anyway, a freshman is not starting for Murphy at QB, never happened since Gentry has been there that I'm aware of (McKeon, Charles, Curtis and Curry had to wait till sophomore year to start, so will he) and won't change now.
 
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They are referring to Murphy's JV QB #2, apparently living in Tomotla/Marble means you live in Andrews district now. Certainly seems that they are just butthurt that the best JV QB (pure QB, not athlete posing as a QB) in the conference transferred to Murphy from Hayesville. If he was still going to Hayesville would Sam or Fourth be discussing him? No, even though he wouldn't be living in Clay County. Irrelevant discussion anyway, a freshman is not starting for Murphy at QB, never happened since Gentry has been there that I'm aware of (McKeon, Charles, Curtis and Curry had to wait till sophomore year to start, so will he).
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He never attended Hayesville schools he went to a Christian school.
 
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CDOC, This Thomasville team was pretty strong You have to ask some of the fans about this team. I think North Davidson was 3A that year and was pretty darn good. Any T'ville fans can clarify that?

1991 (14-1)

Coach Allen Brown

Thomasville 20 Reidsville 9 W

Thomasville 20 Ragsdale 0 W

Thomasville 35 Central Davidson 0 W

Thomasville 42 Eastern Guilford 0 W

Thomasville 41 West Davidson 6 W

Thomasville 53 Ledford 0 W

Thomasville 76 East Davidson 7 W

Thomasville 27 Lexington 0 W

Thomasville 48 Randleman 7 W

Thomasville 13 North Davidson 15 L

Thomasville 40 Charlotte Catholic 6 W

Thomasville 22 Maiden 0 W

Thomasville 30 Forest Hills 9 W

Thomasville 14 Black Mountain Owen 0 W

Thomasville 21 West Brunswick 6 W

This Thomasville team was REALLY STOUT and probably one of the best team in the state that year for sure. They only gave up 3.5 per game. The best defense team I have ever seen. They even shut out Powerful Clinton team in State Final at UNC. Clinton was great team that year.

Thomasville 21 North Davidson 6 W

Thomasville 24 Reidsville 0 W

Thomasville 34 SW Guilford 0 W

Thomasville 41 Southern Alamance 13 W

Thomasville 31 Ledford 0 W

Thomasville 48 Lexington 6 W

Thomasville 76 Union Pines 0 W

Thomasville 47 East Davidson 6 W

Thomasville 56 SW Randolph 7 W

Thomasville 34 Northwood 0 W

Thomasville 14 Randleman 0 W

Thomasville 27 West Stanly 6 W

Thomasville 14 Newton Conover 6 W

Thomasville 14 Salisbury 6 W

Thomasville 10 Mooresville 0 W

Thomasville 16 Clinton 0 W
 
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CDOC ...that same year 1991 Murphy won the state title but their defense is not as quite good as Thomasville. I am sure that some of those games, Murphy had second team in late in the games and gave up some points. The thing is that there were few games you had firs team defense in the whole game and gave up pretty good numbers. Franklin score 34, Robbinsville score 25 and Swain score 21 but y'all beat them in playoff 9-7. That defense gave up 12.8 per game (192 total) while the very same year, Thomasville defense only gave up 4.3 per game (65 total). As you know defense win championship, I am sure you are very supportive of Murphy but there were other teams were just as good or better than Murphy too. I am inclined that 1995 team was superb. Hey it is cool to be very supportive of the school you are a fan of.

I had seen East Forsyth in 1992 and they would roll over Murphy 92' team due to size of the team. Of course, EF was 4A school and should not be compare to Murphy at all. It would not be fair to to compare.


1991 Murphy schedule
NW Whitfield, Ga. 33 12
Franklin 37 34
Gilmer County, Ga. 41 7
Smoky Mountain 43 9
Andrews* 27 14
Hendersonville 27 7
Cherokee* 34 9
Hayesville* 47 24
Robbinsville* 32 25
Swain* 20 21
Beaver Creek 56 6
Tar Heel 41 0
Swain 9 7
East Montgomery 54 14
Rosewood 30 3


I am more impressed with 1986 team. Y'all have a great defense that year. The defense average 4.9 per game (73 total). That is pretty darn good in my book and I am sure that team was and still probably one of the best team ever in 1A classification.
 
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Wrong! ONCE AGAIN!!!!

If you guys can’t get it right, quit posting!
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And you said he lived in Andrews... If YOU can't get it right quit posting. So he never played for Hayesville, but Trayvon Brown, Jaylee Earls, Marcus Teems, CJ Crowder, Evan Hughes, Tyler Vaughn, etc. sure did. The rest of my post is spot on.
 
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Me waiting on questions to be answered... (image credit: Fourth'n'inches)
 
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I think Murphy can compete and win in 1-AA and to think anything else is preposterous. They were undeniably one of the top 3 teams in the State in the large 1-AA class.

I will say it is much more difficult to win a State Championship in the 1-AA class, and it is a harder road for them on 1-AA for sure. Bears know that too as we have been pretty close to the ADM cutoff each year as well.
 
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CDOC ...that same year 1991 Murphy won the state title but their defense is not as quite good as Thomasville. I am sure that some of those games, Murphy had second team in late in the games and gave up some points. The thing is that there were few games you had firs team defense in the whole game and gave up pretty good numbers. Franklin score 34, Robbinsville score 25 and Swain score 21 but y'all beat them in playoff 9-7. That defense gave up 12.8 per game (192 total) while the very same year, Thomasville defense only gave up 4.3 per game (65 total). As you know defense win championship, I am sure you are very supportive of Murphy but there were other teams were just as good or better than Murphy too. I am inclined that 1995 team was superb. Hey it is cool to be very supportive of the school you are a fan of.

I had seen East Forsyth in 1992 and they would roll over Murphy 92' team due to size of the team. Of course, EF was 4A school and should not be compare to Murphy at all. It would not be fair to to compare.


1991 Murphy schedule
NW Whitfield, Ga. 33 12
Franklin 37 34
Gilmer County, Ga. 41 7
Smoky Mountain 43 9
Andrews* 27 14
Hendersonville 27 7
Cherokee* 34 9
Hayesville* 47 24
Robbinsville* 32 25
Swain* 20 21
Beaver Creek 56 6
Tar Heel 41 0
Swain 9 7
East Montgomery 54 14
Rosewood 30 3


I am more impressed with 1986 team. Y'all have a great defense that year. The defense average 4.9 per game (73 total). That is pretty darn good in my book and I am sure that team was and still probably one of the best team ever in 1A classification.
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I was there in 91-92
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CDOC ...that same year 1991 Murphy won the state title but their defense is not as quite good as Thomasville. I am sure that some of those games, Murphy had second team in late in the games and gave up some points. The thing is that there were few games you had firs team defense in the whole game and gave up pretty good numbers. Franklin score 34, Robbinsville score 25 and Swain score 21 but y'all beat them in playoff 9-7. That defense gave up 12.8 per game (192 total) while the very same year, Thomasville defense only gave up 4.3 per game (65 total). As you know defense win championship, I am sure you are very supportive of Murphy but there were other teams were just as good or better than Murphy too. I am inclined that 1995 team was superb. Hey it is cool to be very supportive of the school you are a fan of.

I had seen East Forsyth in 1992 and they would roll over Murphy 92' team due to size of the team. Of course, EF was 4A school and should not be compare to Murphy at all. It would not be fair to to compare.


1991 Murphy schedule
NW Whitfield, Ga. 33 12
Franklin 37 34
Gilmer County, Ga. 41 7
Smoky Mountain 43 9
Andrews* 27 14
Hendersonville 27 7
Cherokee* 34 9
Hayesville* 47 24
Robbinsville* 32 25
Swain* 20 21
Beaver Creek 56 6
Tar Heel 41 0
Swain 9 7
East Montgomery 54 14
Rosewood 30 3


I am more impressed with 1986 team. Y'all have a great defense that year. The defense average 4.9 per game (73 total). That is pretty darn good in my book and I am sure that team was and still probably one of the best team ever in 1A classification.
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I was there, i watch i played,. I feel in 91 we could of competed or beat any of the teams
 
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If that wasnt the Kniceley (sp?) Pickens era then I am not so sure. That was the only Murphy team that comes to mind that was strong enough to be capable of playing with anybody. I was thinking Pickens and Shuler were around about the same time. I have a VHS tape of Shuler and Swain Co in the championship game from 89 I believe, against Currituck CO, I keep forgetting that SHuler played QB for Swain as a starter for 4 years. I believe 89 was his SR year. Passing time muddies things a bit.
 
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In the pre subdividing era I watched all four title games, all five in 2001, at Kenan Stadium. What great football experiences!!!

I remember 1991 very well! Three teams I followed closely that season made it to the finals, Thomasville, Kannapolis, and West Charlotte.
 
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Let’s go ahead and address the elephant in the room. Murphy has NEVER won a state championship at the 1 AA level. NEVER even played for a State Championship at that level. With their 500+ enrollment, they have no problem beating the Plymouth’s and Jones Counties (both with enrollments of 300+) of the world in the small 1A division.

FACTS: Murphy started playing 1AA in 2001. Here are the playoff scores:

2001 East Surry 17 Murphy 13
2002 Starmount 38 Murphy 12
2003 Hendersonville 27 Murphy 13
2004 Bessemer City 28 Murphy 21
2005 Thomasville 41 Murphy 0
2006 Mount Airy 42 Murphy 20
2007 W. Montgomery 54 Murphy 21
2008 Hendersonville 27 Murphy 20
2009 Albemarle 35. Murphy 28

Now comes along the Early College concept. Voila! Murphy ships about 75-100 students 5 miles up the road to that school (and by the way, according to School Board policy, these students are not allowed to participate in athletics at Murphy, therefore do not count in Murphy’s enrollment!!) How sweet! So Murphy now has the same athletes, but gets to play in 1A!

Beginning in 2010, Murphy starts its winning tradition again playing the 1A schools and beating most of them.

Now it’s 2017 and because of the reduction in the number of 1A schools making the playoffs, Murphy once again finds itself back in 1AA.

2017 Mount Airy 49 Murphy 35.

I rest my case!!!!!
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MY ORIGINAL POST above!
Not taking shots at anybody, just stating the facts! Doesn’t matter about my credentials. I could be the head of the NCHSAA or a career criminal just released from prison. Facts are Facts!

I challenge anyone to show me where I am wrong in my original post!

I am SAM THE MAN!
 
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