Your knocking Vedral but the 2020/2021 versions of him with this year’s OL would be interesting to watch. Healthy Vedral is WAY more accurate than Gavin. I’d trade the stronger arm and slightly better legs for a QB who could routinely complete the shorts to RBs with confidence. Vedral fits this description. I firmly believe we’d be ranked in the top 25 right now with Vedral.
Needs To Be An Open Competition for Starting QB Next Year
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Simon and Snyder were Ash recruits. And Surace is completely relevant. He was recruited by Schiano, no? He's a pro style passer.
The coaching staff knows their players. Simon might be a little bit of a better passer but they don't think it's enough to be as effective as Gavin in this particular offense they are running, which is predominantly run heavy. Simon wasn't more effective than Gavin last year.
Correct. Healthy Vedral should not be grouped in this category. That’s not fair. In 2020 and 2021 Noah completed 60% of his passes and he had a much weaker OL to work with. I’d love to have a guy like him as an option right now. Polar opposite of Gavin. Less natural throwing ability in terms of zip on the ball but a veteran leader who was able to adjust plays after the snap. We’d have so many more play options with Vedral this year.
The only thing about Vedral was he couldn't spread the field with his arm. A lot of his passes were quick throws to WRs hence his 60% completion percentage. Gavin can throw a deep ball which can keep the dbs away from the box. That being said his football IQ was much better than GWs and he was able to tuck and run at the right times.
Really, you think he opts for a guy that is a poor CFB passer? Thats what his thinking was? That’s just silly. You’re also conveniently leaving out the pocket passers he’s had here in trying to justify the inane idea that GS doesn’t care about passing acumen ton his QB recruits.
Your reading comprehension is poor. I am saying clearly that Schiano’s choice of Gavin and run heavy offense is working. i am not saying Simon should be the starter (although he’s more than ‘a bit better passer’). You are especially missing therefore that the philosophy, which has been successful this year, most certainly devalues passing. Is not a criticism.
you’re twisting the logic to make an absurd counterpoint.
semantics. of course he cares somewhat about passing ability but it’s a secondary consideration. so, yes, he did pick the guy who’s an obviously poor passer but because he’s the better runner, which fits GS’s low risk, defense-first modus operandi.
I think he cares a lot about passing. More than he cares about running for a QB. If, as everyone says, he wants a traditional offense then he wants the ability to pass, keeping the defense honest so that he can ground and pound.
You are leaving out so much that happens in selecting a QB for RU at this point in the rebuild. Like who can he actually get? Maybe someone was a slightly better passer but didn’t have the upside? Maybe the pocket passers he wanted all went elsewhere. Gavin was a 4 star high school kid with major upside and the best available. If he had a 4 star passer who was available and would have come to RU, he would have taken him.
That’s because it has to. Our Qb is completing <50% of his passes.
They're not "devaluing" anything. If Simon threw the ball like Peyton Manning he'd be starting. It's who gives them the best chance to win. At this point Gavin's passing+running is more valuable than Simons passing+running. In other words, the coaches feel Gavin is the more effective QB.
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If you're a Jets fan, you recognize this conversation. We (Jets fans) recently had it with both Mark Sanchez and now Zach Wilson. You have the worst QB in the league (statistically and the eye test) and whenever he throws a TD a quarter of the fanbase chimes in with, "See!!! If he could just do that all the time, he'd be good." Except he can't and doesn't do it all the time; statistically he does it less than EVERY OTHER QB we play against.
I'm sorry, the kid just doesn't have it. Someone else should be given a chance. If we don't have anyone else that possibly could be better than the worst QB in the conference, that's on the coaching staff. But if that's true, run the wishbone. It can't be worse than our current passing offense.
I'm sorry, the kid just doesn't have it. Someone else should be given a chance. If we don't have anyone else that possibly could be better than the worst QB in the conference, that's on the coaching staff. But if that's true, run the wishbone. It can't be worse than our current passing offense.
We're 6-3. Of course he has it, because we've beaten everyone we were supposed to beat. To denigrate him because he made 3 mistakes against 3 of the conference elite, is a bit unfair. That someone else would not be 6-3. He is playing because he is the best we have, and that's not changing for at least one more year. He is roughly a 50% passer this year.
Eh - I think your overvaluing what Gavin brings to the table on long balls. Vedral completed plenty of 30 yard passes. He doesn’t have a great arm but he’s also not Langhan or Rescigno. How many 50+ yard hail Mary’s has Gavin actually completed (maybe he had one against Wagner)?
Vedral could adjust plays post snap. When he had time he was pretty accurate all over the field and could use the lateral passes to mix things up. Remember we didn’t have the pass protection to give him the time Gavin has now and our blocking was nowhere near what it is now. If Gavin could complete the passes to the RBs we’d have more big plays. Vedral makes those throws 90%+ of the time.
We have seen Gavin throw some really bad and at times some very NFL type passes. The key for him now is to realize the mechanics dictate the type of pass he needs in any situation. If it were me I would have allowed him to throw more quick outs to guys on top of his over the middle short tosses. Other than J .Jackson going deep the loss of Chris long and Brantley didn’t help. He should after the season throw several thousand passes which require touch. Lacking those true receiving TE’s hasn’t helped him either. Did Ciarrocca use the TE’s at Minnesota and Penn State? He needs to duplicate the same type passes he did for 3-4 of his touchdowns . He can do it .
he's not wrong and progress is not why we do this; we do this to win and we do this to elevate RU football
we need a better qb, Hellen Keller can see this
my disdain for vedgral is well known but this is right
vedral, like Gav, won't elevate the team though and that is why we need a better qb
Vedral wouldn’t elevate the program but that doesn’t mean we wouldn’t be 7-2 or even 8-1 right now if he was still the QB.
Somehow, someway, we have “dare I say it” an above average OL in combination with a strong defense. A QB with mediocre arm strength but good accuracy (60% completion rate) who isn’t immobile would be very valuable with the roster we have right now. In fairness, getting Reggie back in form has been huge. That wasn’t where we were at for the Wisconsin game. The right side was still shaky until he settled in.
Yea and in the beginning of the season they were trying to pigeon hole him into more of a pocket passer like Bryce Young which he isn't. He's got a nice deep ball but can be inconsistent. He's powerful and fast though and dangerous with his legs. They're embracing those attributes more now and relying on the run game and they've improved over the season.