I really don't know if people are college football fans or if they just watch NFL and their local highschools.... Alabama doesn't have a QB that can light you up passing the ball right now.. hes more of a dynamic runner than Gavin but that should tell you something...you think Alabama isn't throwing money and trying to get Michael Vick mixed with Tom Brady as their QB? Penn State? Is Kyle McCord like CJ Stroud? Or Dwayne Hawkins his senior year? Whatever you guys think finding and developing a QB is, it's not that. Let's see what wimsatt looks like as a senior. Talking about nil money..let's hope he stays at Rutgers if he plays like we all want next year or if we get Michael penixed like Indiana. Understand college football..
Needs To Be An Open Competition for Starting QB Next Year
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Just some thoughts.
Just saying there was a competition and this qb won it so that's that doesn't necessarily mean that said qb was the right call. I'm not saying that's the case here because I'm not sure that anyone behind GW is better but just to say it does happen where the qb named after a competition wasn't the best call.
A couple examples off the top of my head.
Chandler Morris was actually the starter for TCU last year on the champ game run but he got hurt and Max Duggan was the one leading them on their run. Chandler Morris is starting this year and they haven't looked as good.
Noah Fifita the redshirt freshman at Arizona this year has looked better than Jayden DeLaura and he also came in after DeLaura got hurt. Arizona beat UCLA last night and go bowl eligible and beat 3 ranked teams in a row. They've also been competitive with teams like UW and USC and beat ranked Oregon State.
As far as qbs from the portal being in the portal because they sucked somewhere else, I don't think that's always true. I think I read a stat that around a little more or less than half of qbs (FBS or P5? can't remember) transferred. Do you think half of qbs suck. I just did a quick run down without knowing where every starter in the P5 came from and came out with about 25 qb starting now in the P5 that transferred from somewhere else.
Louisville is 8-1 with Jack Plummer who Brohm passed on at Purdue for Aidan OConnell and now they're ranked near the top 12 and would be in the hunt for a 12 team playoff and are in the hunt for an ACC title game appearance. This is a guy who "failed" at his current coach's last job.
DJU was a "failed" qb at Clemson and now has been a solid qb for Oregon State and they're in the top 16 and would be in the hunt for a top 12 spot.
Everyone knows what Penix is doing at UW.
Portal is no different than recruiting. Sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss and you just try to get more hits than misses. The point of the portal is to have more options, having more options is a good thing. It doesn't have to be just from recruiting. If you go to the portal and it's eh, well you get qbs that are eh from recruiting too so it's no different but the job of the coach is to try to get someone who will be better than eh just like recruiting.
Just saying there was a competition and this qb won it so that's that doesn't necessarily mean that said qb was the right call. I'm not saying that's the case here because I'm not sure that anyone behind GW is better but just to say it does happen where the qb named after a competition wasn't the best call.
A couple examples off the top of my head.
Chandler Morris was actually the starter for TCU last year on the champ game run but he got hurt and Max Duggan was the one leading them on their run. Chandler Morris is starting this year and they haven't looked as good.
Noah Fifita the redshirt freshman at Arizona this year has looked better than Jayden DeLaura and he also came in after DeLaura got hurt. Arizona beat UCLA last night and go bowl eligible and beat 3 ranked teams in a row. They've also been competitive with teams like UW and USC and beat ranked Oregon State.
As far as qbs from the portal being in the portal because they sucked somewhere else, I don't think that's always true. I think I read a stat that around a little more or less than half of qbs (FBS or P5? can't remember) transferred. Do you think half of qbs suck. I just did a quick run down without knowing where every starter in the P5 came from and came out with about 25 qb starting now in the P5 that transferred from somewhere else.
Louisville is 8-1 with Jack Plummer who Brohm passed on at Purdue for Aidan OConnell and now they're ranked near the top 12 and would be in the hunt for a 12 team playoff and are in the hunt for an ACC title game appearance. This is a guy who "failed" at his current coach's last job.
DJU was a "failed" qb at Clemson and now has been a solid qb for Oregon State and they're in the top 16 and would be in the hunt for a top 12 spot.
Everyone knows what Penix is doing at UW.
Portal is no different than recruiting. Sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss and you just try to get more hits than misses. The point of the portal is to have more options, having more options is a good thing. It doesn't have to be just from recruiting. If you go to the portal and it's eh, well you get qbs that are eh from recruiting too so it's no different but the job of the coach is to try to get someone who will be better than eh just like recruiting.
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Alabama has been a work in progress this season by their standards but I think they've embraced Milroe more for what he is as the season has gone on and have gotten better.
Like I said in the games thread, we are what we are and you do the best you can with what you have.
Alabama did get Tyler Buchner from ND and he started a game or two as well but it didn't work out. But I'll take the reverse view of that and say see NIL isn't the only thing that moves players here and there. Sometimes yes but not always. So people shouldn't automatically think oh so and so has moved and it's because of some big NIL deal. It can be but not always.
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Rutgers offensive line played really well. They were not the reason GW struggled. McCord certainly had better relievers but what difference do they make if GW can't make the reads or throw to them accurately? McCord had a bad pick (so did GW) and a bad quarter of plsy but otherwise had better numbers than GW has ever had against any opponent
It was a tight game and McCord was 17/26 and Wimsatt 10/25. If we had 7 more completions and they had 7 less I say we win by two TD's.
Understand completely! Gavin is LAST I’m completion percentage in the country 5 from LAST in pass yards and no he is not Michael Vick in the bottom third of rush yards for QB. He missed 3 WIDE Open receivers for TD’s yesterday. So everyone relax with seperation. Watch the field not the one WR he pre determines pre snap to get the ball. He can’t read Defenses and has zero ability to work progressions.
The coaching staff and QB in big moments let’s us down
Hey, what am I going to say? Lol this can go on forever...yes hes been real bad throwing the ball this year. As many NCAA QBs and offenses have been this year. Yes there are better QBs out there, maybe RU will get one in the transfer portal. I see there is a subscription based article on potential transfer portal targets on the front page of this site. Sign up for premium and start scouting, be the change you want to see like Scott stallions. Then make your yearly contribution to the Rutgers NIL fund or begin to contribute whatever you can if you haven't already. Then solicit whoever else you can for nil donations because any drake mayes or sam Hartman's in the portal are going to be showered with offers.
In my case, I like to base myself in reality while remaining optimistic about the future.
This is something which many schools struggle with not just at Rutgers …QB play. I know one thing in Wimsatt’s game play that few consider significant. Gavin takes care of the football. Athletically he has things which make him dangerous.He will feel more and more comfortable to pull the handoff back and create what all have seen. Rutgers knew and many here understood accuracy and pure QB mechanics were the issue. We are 6-6 and have played well in most areas of the team. Still the weakest parts WR and TE are what has held us back . Gavin I believe has 2 years or even perhaps 3 years . We have several other QB’s and a “ hotshot” coming in January. Competition will be available and if they show they are better… they will play. With Simon who has better accuracy… but does not pose the same threat to respective defenses. It was the right choice to pick Gavin. Watching Michael Pennix ( freaky - great arm and sidearm throws) and Caleb Williams has fumbled 30 times during his Okie / USC career . Won the Heisman but he also had great surrounding receiving targets .Pennix has an outstanding group to play catch with. Losing Long… Brantley having to sit out …Washington ? Strong very young along with 2-3 others on the sideline. We had no reason to play him ( Simon) against Ohio State. Sheppard talented , big and fast will give us some important back up. As JerseyLegend stated just hope Gavin stays here next season.
Well to be honest Gavin missed Benjamin in the flat late 4th right side. That is where he is failing.
Had a go route in first quarter the x receiver who was 8 yards in past the DB which was a walk in 70 yd TD with a bad throw and he over threw him by 10 yds . Missed TD. In the second and third quarter had out routes in the end zone which he sailed over WIDE open receivers. At least watch the games if your going to post. Maybe you were there getting another beverage and just missed those throws but at least go back and watch the game. He missed 3 TD throws to absolutely WIDE a open receivers .
WTF? Do you just make this stuff up as you go along? Which of our past quarterbacks that either played for Coach or were recruited by him gave you this impression? Ryan Hart? Mike Teel? Nova, Vedral or Simon? Chas Dodd? Maybe Tommy Savage. Couldn't have been Ryan Cubit.
Thank god you said that! Couldn’t agree more . People with no knowledge of the game or the program just posting none sense. Schiano has NEVER had a prototypical running QB.
Wimsatt, who finished with 129 yards, a touchdown and an interception on 10-of-25 passing for a season-low 40% completion rate. He had some bright spots — a 19-yard touchdown pass to JaQuaeJackson, one of six double-digit yard completions — but there were plenty of tough moments. Most notably, he struggled with accuracy once again, missing multiple open receivers by a wide margin, including overthrowing a wide-open Christian Dremel for what would have been a walk-in touchdown early in the first quarter.
“That was just a misconnection by me,” Wimsatt said about the overthrow. “He was wide open. That was a gimme. You just got to hit those.”
Please see expert from article post game and Gavin himself owning he missed the WR. So R U Blackedout 7 times during the game and just missed it or just don’t know what your watching??? He missed multiple Wide open WR and we won’t get into how many wide open WR/RB there were if he could actually read defenses and work through progressions.
Agreed the play fake never fooled the mic lb who was standing there waiting for the ball. Should have understood play didn’t work, so throw it away or run. It’s completely on Gavin
That Dylan kid isn't our best WR?
I thought he was an instant impact player as a true freshman?
it's a great post and staff needs to better at this spot if we want to be a consistent top 25 team
oline playing much better than anyone thought
RBs are out outstanding
Defense is legit top 10
Receivers need to be upgraded
qb is our weakest position by far and we won't be a top 25 team with him
yesterday absolutely demonstrated the team is ahead of the qb
no question the decision was bad but if he throws it well, it's 1st and goal at the 2 or he may be in.
Notice I said ‘this time around’. Langan and Vedral couldn’t see the field as QB at other FBS. They can’t throw at this level and yet were starters. Next in line is another guy who can’t throw (accuracy).
The guy who can throw, throws well in a 1 possession appearance including a TD and is right back on the bench in a game we struggled to score.
I’m not suggesting GW shouldn’t start, but it is very evident these recent years that GS doesn’t care much about passing ability in his QB1 choices.
It’s working well this year so this isn’t a criticism, but it is the truth. Three straight QB1s who are far better runners than passers is very telling.
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GW didn’t miss 3 wide open TDs. Just not factual. We all know he missed one but don’t know the other 2. We all know he hit a second one in a tight window but Stong dropped it going to the ground.
half the board are morons that are also mediocreStfu punk. Half the board agrees with me.
Angmo > you fatso
you like that company, more power to you but IT WAS AN AWFUL THROW
Fieldhouse Al is so completely delusional and up GS’s *** he can tell you what 2.0’s bile smells like.
I don’t believe it at all. The problem is that the majority of QB recruits don’t want to come to Rutgers. They don’t have a reputation for a good passing game. We are showing them we can win without having a good passing game.
With what RU has at QB right now and how they want to play, Wimsatt is the QB and barring injury will be through the end of the year. He provides a threat in the run game which changes how defenses have to play. Don’t discount that in the success that Kyle M has in the run game. Obviously the kid has to improve on the accuracy and decision making. Everyone wants to bury young QBs, in college, in the NFL. It is without doubt the most difficult position to play in team sports. For most, it takes time and experience to get good.
This is an asinine post. Yeah GS doesn’t care about the passing ability of his QB. WTF are you talking about? As far as I can tell you’ve already broken your promise making such a ridiculous claim about GS that can only be construed as a negative post about him. Good job in making it a whole week with said promise.
Dudes a complete moron. If/when we beat Iowa and Maryland watch he and other idiots move goal posts again.
‘As far as you can tell’ isn’t very far. Not a criticism at all. I said his decision has worked out. It was a good decision: Nobody here is complaining about 6-3 and Wimsatt got us there.
But it’s also true that GS opted for the guy who is a poor CFB passer. Same as Vedral and Langan. Neither of those two could throw the ball 30 yards. Not a criticism. A fact.
There have been passers on the roster who weren’t the QB1 choice. Not judging. Clearly passing isn’t a priority.
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Why did we recruit AJ Surace then? He's mobile but he's not a dual threat QB. Greg and Kirk have said numerous times the playbook is based around the strengths of the players they have.
Simon and Snyder were recruited too. Surace is irrelevant to this topic now.
It’s undeniable that the last three QB1s were/are poor passers and better passers were on the roster. There’s just no way around the fact that Schiano clearly devalues passing.
Not a criticism, but it is his philosophy. Tim Tebow was a better runner than passer too and won the Heisman and two NCs. Am not knocking Schiano. The promise is intact.
That’s what they do and not because it will have any impact any of the staffs decisions.
It was too high a throw, that's for sure. Had he thrown the ball accurately, it would have been a catch. The receiver was open enough for the play to work. Part of the problem may be that Wimsatt faked a run before throwing the ball, so his feet weren't fully set, which often means a high throw. IMHO, Wimsatt has a long way to go both in learning technique and in learning how to work with multiple options.