New coach

[TheWizardofCamelot]

This is just my opinion, but the drop off after Matt Campbell is very large. Like YEARS large.

If Neeli can't pull this off, football season is going to feel like a dread to me instead of anticipation. This could take a long time to climb out of this whole. Terry Smith is a good dude, but I don't think he makes us competitive on the field or in recruiting.

 

[bluewhiteapos]

Media members and some posters had been mentioning a mystery big candidate for weeks but no one could ferret out who it was. Then sorta left it for dead since they couldn’t confirm AND he wasn’t on anyone’s radar. It’s plausible this was done quietly somehow.

I feel like Cael somehow had a hand in this.

I feel like if there was a mystery candidate, it was Sitake.

 

[Moogy]

yep, this is ultimately what it comes down to for Campbell, does he want to stay at ISU and make decent $ with confort in the people he has working around him and an athletic program that is maxed out cash wise, or does he want to come to Negative Valley and make a whole boat load of cash but deal with idiots

"Idiots" = JoeBots.

 

[Psumatt85]

This is my ongoing take as well - there is too much weirdness going on for there not to be something behind the scenes and Paterno loyalist trying to manipulate (perhaps in opposition to Paterno haters who adamantly want to hide him away forever) make some sense. It is an issue that has divided the university and dominated so much for the past decade plus.

I just wish some cooler heads would prevail and the school would just put up the statue (or honor Joe some other way) and allow him to be part of the advertisements around the team to placate those who might be undermining things but also just be willing to move forward and not have everything football have to revolve around Paterno. There's a balance to be struck instead of two sides in complete opposition. Sigh.

I don’t believe the university believes in a balance

 

[EricStratton-RushChairman]

It would seem Campbell's negotiating position is akin to being the only prostitute on the docks when the fleet comes to port

 

[Psumatt85]

There are constructive ways to rewrite a narrative, and there are petty ways to do the same. If what is being reported here is true (not saying I’m buying it, but going with the premise), then Jay is doing a disservice to his father’s legacy. Regardless, this is a ghost we all need to bury…hard to move forward when you have one foot stuck in the past.

I view it as the opposite. If Penn State continues to bury 1950-2011, it will only make it more impossible to move on. Needs to be some university position between bury and deify.

 

[PSUPetch]

I don’t oppose the Franklin firing but can we stop with this Franklin is not a good game day coach nonsense? He makes some bad in game decisions just like EVERY damn head coach. I challenged this board to tell me what bad “game day” decision he made a few years ago when a Michigan TIGHT END scored the winning TD late in the game by going like 60 yards on a simple crossing pattern and never got one response. My favorite was the clown reporter who claimed Franklin screwed up by choosing to punt on the first possession on 4th and short on Penn State’s side of midfield in the snow because that “led” to Michigan State then going 99 1/2 yards to go up 14-0 after the punt was downed at the 1/2 yard line (to say nothing about his lousy game day decision later in that game to have his DB give up the game losing TD on 4th and 15 and the lousy call to have the defense let OSU score the first of the two TDs it needed to score in the last 8 minutes on a long screen pass when it looked like they never saw that type of play before a few years ago. Unless you watch every game ISU has played under Campbell like you have the Penn State games you have no basis to claim he is a better game day coach. And I say this as someone who thinks he would be a good hire especially at this stage of the process.

That’s all you’ve got…in 12 years? How about the last Michigan game. BGJ decides to go for 2 after a TD in the 1st quarter. After ultimately failing (Does any coach in the history of college football have a worse 2 pt conversion percentage than Franklin?), we are left chasing that point for the rest of the game. So instead of being down by 7 with 2 minutes to go with 3 TOs, we are down by 9 with only 2TOs, because the genius used a crucial TO on our last offensive possession while the clock was stopped.

I could go on and on and on with this gameday idiocy. There are NUMEROUS examples.

 

[mfb5053]

Im going to be so much more productive at work when this process is over. Reading this board these last few weeks has been taxing.

 

[Wilbury]

For anyone that hasn’t listened to LaVar’s XM radio this morning (Two Pros and a cup of Joe), go take a listen. Wow. He goes scorched earth on Jay and Lubrano. Moreso Jay. Says Jay is short selling PSU behind the scenes and sabotaging the whole program. Also, says he is using Terry as a pawn out of selfishness to attempt to clear Joe’s name. It’s a no holds barred tongue lashing. He also said Jay was leading the charge to get rid of Franklin and insinuated that he had been for some time.

I don't find it very believable. Jay doesn't have power or leverage over anyone at this point in time.

 

[Bvillebaron]

No one has to engage in conspiracy theorizing ... you, Jay and Lubrano appear to be on the same path of destruction.

Because you haven't gotten your way ... because everyone hasn't stopped everything and revered JoePa to your liking, you have decided to try to destroy every aspect of the university.

Everything the university does comes with an attack by you. It doesn't matter how silly or uninformed it is, you will levy a charge of incompetence or corruption at anything the university does.

No conspiracy thinking needed - you're doing it right out in the open. Just check these boards and your blog (or whatever that is) for evidence of this. And since you, Jay and Lubrano were frequently in lockstep in your criticisms, voting, etc., it's logical to put you in the same basket of thoughts/actions.

You're toxic. You're a fungus. Go away.

Yeah despite how bad the BOT and Administration mishandled the Sandusky situation, scapegoated the winningest coach in college history to cover their you know what’s, accepted draconian sanctions when Emmert conceded when he announced them the NCAA had permitted him to go outside the rules to impose, let’s just move on and blame Lubrano and Jay for Kraft’s three ring circus and failure to hire a coach.

 

[SkiSkiSki]

"Idiots" = JoeBots.

Wipe off your chin, FranklinBot.

 

[84lion]

He would also never want to see another coach reach national championship level success.

Then he should have lobbied hard to keep Franklin.

 

[LB99]

If Jay had the level of influence that Lavar intimates and he were promoting Terry, this would be over already.


So is Jay calling all of the coaching candidates out there and telling them to spurn PSU's overtures? Lavar isn't very bright, but we knew that when he hung the "II" on his kid.

People can believe what they want. I don’t care either way. I’m just passing along the info I was shocked to hear this morning when I turned on XM. It was a no holds barred tongue lashing. Since LaVar is much closer to the situation than I am, I chose to listen with an open mind. If anyone missed it, I’m sure it will be posted to social media at some point today. You can form your own opinion.

I don't find it very believable. Jay doesn't have power or leverage over anyone at this point in time.

 

[PAgeologist]

I view it as the opposite. If Penn State continues to bury 1950-2011, it will only make it more impossible to move on. Needs to be some university position between bury and deify.

That appears to be the case. Compromises need to be done and the entire issue needs settled. Forever.

At this point I dont care if pro and anti Joe teams are drawn and they all fight to the death. Literally.

 

[bluewhiteapos]

It would seem Campbell's negotiating position is akin to being the only prostitute on the docks when the fleet comes to port

Yep. If I was coach and was getting approached about interest at this late hour, I’d me like “Maybe, but its sure going to cost ya”.

 

[Bvillebaron]

That’s all you’ve got…in 12 years? How about the last Michigan game. BGJ decides to go for 2 after a TD in the 1st quarter. After ultimately failing (Does any coach in the history of college football have a worse 2 pt conversion percentage than Franklin?), we are left chasing that point for the rest of the game. So instead of being down by 7 with 2 minutes to go with 3 TOs, we are down by 9 with only 2TOs, because the genius used a crucial TO on our last offensive possession while the clock.

I could go on and on and on with this gameday idiocy. There are NUMEROUS examples.

Well then please do genius. I can hardly wait. In case you missed it I said I don’t oppose Franklin’s firing and said he had made in game decisions like EVERY damn coach. Please get help for your Franklin Derangement Syndrome.

 

[barry j fenchak]

That appears to be the case. Compromises need to be done and the entire issue needs settled. Forever.

At this point I dont care if pro and anti Joe teams are drawn and they all fight to the death. Literally.

The issue has been settled. Unless you are blind you should be able to see that the university has moved on.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

I don’t oppose the Franklin firing but can we stop with this Franklin is not a good game day coach nonsense? He makes some bad in game decisions just like EVERY damn head coach. I challenged this board to tell me what bad “game day” decision he made a few years ago when a Michigan TIGHT END scored the winning TD late in the game by going like 60 yards on a simple crossing pattern and never got one response. My favorite was the clown reporter who claimed Franklin screwed up by choosing to punt on the first possession on 4th and short on Penn State’s side of midfield in the snow because that “led” to Michigan State then going 99 1/2 yards to go up 14-0 after the punt was downed at the 1/2 yard line (to say nothing about his lousy game day decision later in that game to have his DB give up the game losing TD on 4th and 15 and the lousy call to have the defense let OSU score the first of the two TDs it needed to score in the last 8 minutes on a long screen pass when it looked like they never saw that type of play before a few years ago. Unless you watch every game ISU has played under Campbell like you have the Penn State games you have no basis to claim he is a better game day coach. And I say this as someone who thinks he would be a good hire especially at this stage of the process.

Fair points - Franklin is one of many in the modern game who appear to rely on the dreaded “analytics” model of coaching. As a result, it feels like a lot of coaches don’t learn traditional coaching instincts the way some of the past greats did. That may work a lot of the time, but there is typically a moment or two in any given game that can’t be broken down into a predetermined equation.

 

[VT00]

Then he should have lobbied hard to keep Franklin.

Last season was the closest we've been to winning one since....

 

[Bvillebaron]

No one has to engage in conspiracy theorizing ... you, Jay and Lubrano appear to be on the same path of destruction.

Because you haven't gotten your way ... because everyone hasn't stopped everything and revered JoePa to your liking, you have decided to try to destroy every aspect of the university.

Everything the university does comes with an attack by you. It doesn't matter how silly or uninformed it is, you will levy a charge of incompetence or corruption at anything the university does.

No conspiracy thinking needed - you're doing it right out in the open. Just check these boards and your blog (or whatever that is) for evidence of this. And since you, Jay and Lubrano were frequently in lockstep in your criticisms, voting, etc., it's logical to put you in the same basket of thoughts/actions.

You're toxic. You're a fungus. Go away.

Perhaps you should introduce yourself to a mirror. Let’s see first it was Sexton sabotaging Kraft’s coaching search; now it’s Jay Paterno and Anthony Lubrano. Who’s next? Big Foot? The ghost of Christmas past? Santa Claus? The Wicked Witch of the West?

 

[Meats Lab]

In what way is Jay in a position to "use" Terry? This sounds like an unhinged, nonsensical conspiracy theory. Makes for good radio, which I'm sure is the whole point...

Lavar said people (insinuating Jay and Lubrano) are putting out information to intentionally hurt that potential hire they don’t want. They want a hire with an agenda to help clear Joe (and Jerrys) name. Jay wants Terry.

 

[DaytonRickster]

There are constructive ways to rewrite a narrative, and there are petty ways to do the same. If what is being reported here is true (not saying I’m buying it, but going with the premise), then Jay is doing a disservice to his father’s legacy. Regardless, this is a ghost we all need to bury…hard to move forward when you have one foot stuck in the past.

This whole circumstance is bizarre. I am not a PSU alum but have been a fan since the 70s. How incredibly sad it must make those of you who are PSU graduates to watch your university being drug through the mud by opposing factions whether internal or external.

 

[mfb5053]

Lavar said people (insinuating Jay and Lubrano) are putting out information to intentionally hurt that potential hire they don’t want. They want a hire with an agenda to help clear Joe (and Jerrys) name.

Clear Joe and Jerry’s name? Are we hiring a football coach or defense counsel?

 

[Bvillebaron]

Fair points - Franklin is one of many in the modern game who appear to rely on the dreaded “analytics” model of coaching. As a result, it feels like a lot of coaches don’t learn traditional coaching instincts the way some of the past greats did. That may work a lot of the time, but there is typically a moment or two in any given game that can’t be broken down into a predetermined equation.

Couldn’t agree more.

 

[Moogy]

Wipe off your chin, FranklinBot.

Wipe off your entire body, and everything you own, JoeBot.

You don't want anything positive for the university in the present and future ... you just want to wallow in the past. That's it.

Compare to me, who enjoyed Paterno's glory years, who liked O'Brien, who liked Franklin, but would have VERY MUCH considered firing him at year's end if he hadn't righted the ship (won games and retained his recruiting class), and who will most likely support the next guy hired even if it's not a guy I would have hoped for (unless it's someone crazy).

The only thing you support is JoePa's legacy. That's it. You'll burn down everything that has come after JoePa if you don't get JoePa revered in the way you want him to be revered.

 

[PSUFTG]

Lavar said people (insinuating Jay and Lubrano) are putting out information to intentionally hurt that potential hire they don’t want. They want a hire with an agenda to help clear Joe (and Jerrys) name. Jay wants Terry.

 

[NoBareFeet]

At this point I dont care if pro and anti Joe teams are drawn and they all fight to the death. Literally.

I have the pro-Joe side as a 7.5 point favorite on a neutral field.

 

[Itraindogs]

Another razor might be that Kraft projects so very badly to every candidate that none of them want to work under, for, or with him.

true

 

[Nitanee1234]

I am a Paterno supporter, but I want this coaching search to be successful. I am on board with hiring Campbell.

I agree on both counts.

 

[Bvillebaron]

Clear Joe and Jerry’s name? Are we hiring a football coach or defense counsel?

If potential caches are truly basing their decision on anything Jay or Lubrano are saying, then they are a hard pass for me.

 

[Psumatt85]

The issue has been settled. Unless you are blind you should be able to see that the university has moved on.

Which if the resolution is Joe was evil, and we therefore cannot reference anything good about him, his name a likeness cannot be tied to the university, and he shall be deemed an untouchable, and this is the university’s position, it will be difficult to move on. More importantly, if this is PSUs position they need to do two things:

1. Own it and say it and take the internal fallout which I don’t believe they want to do.
2. Take his name off the library. If he can’t be acknowledged, how can you have his name on a prominent building

I don’t support that, but for those who say th university has moved on, this is my benchmarks for them wanting it both ways

 

[mfb5053]

This whole circumstance is bizarre. I am not a PSU alum but have been a fan since the 70s. How incredibly sad it must make those of you who are PSU graduates to watch your university being drug through the mud by opposing factions whether internal or external.

It is quite embarrassing. But we are used to it!

 

[Moogy]

That appears to be the case. Compromises need to be done and the entire issue needs settled. Forever.

At this point I dont care if pro and anti Joe teams are drawn and they all fight to the death. Literally.

No compromise. Any attempted "compromise" will not be enough to satiate the bloodlust of the JoeBot, and will only embolden and empower the JoeBots to demand more. They've shown they're not for the advancement of the university, tearing it down at every single opportunity.

 

[WaffleShopper]

This whole circumstance is bizarre. I am not a PSU alum but have been a fan since the 70s. How incredibly sad it must make those of you who are PSU graduates to watch your university being drug through the mud by opposing factions whether internal or external.

It is very sad. The worst part is that after this coaching hire is made and after Kraft is gone, we will go through the same BS with the next AD and for the next several hires.

 

[NoBareFeet]

The only thing you support is JoePa's legacy. That's it. You'll burn down everything that has come after JoePa if you don't get JoePa revered in the way you want him to be revered.

I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I think what PSU did to Joe was so ridiculously unjust that wanting to see that righted is normal. I for one would rather the university formally honor Joe and name the field after him than the team win the national championship next year. And I'm sure I'm not alone.

 

[BVSt.Paul]

Im going to be so much more productive at work when this process is over. Reading this board these last few weeks has been taxing.

Me too, and I’m retired. It’s taking me much longer each day to get nothing done.

 

[RolexKong]

Lavar said people (insinuating Jay and Lubrano) are putting out information to intentionally hurt that potential hire they don’t want. They want a hire with an agenda to help clear Joe (and Jerrys) name. Jay wants Terry.

Funny, I read that Franklin and Sexton were doing the same thing. Maybe they're working together.

 

[PAgeologist]

The issue has been settled. Unless you are blind you should be able to see that the university has moved on.

Ill fully admit im not nearly as close to any of this as some are. But the issues with Joe seem to come up often enough that im not sure everyone involved has moved on. And maybe they didnt go far enough. Jay is still on the BoT.

And for the record, I dont care what they do regarding Joe and his legacy. I am not a graduate of the university, although God willing my daughter will be. I am just a fan of the football and wrestling teams.

But it looks like even if the university is presenting its stance one way, there are people behind the scenes not towing that line.

 

[DaytonRickster]

Get Jeff Hafley from the Packers and be done with it. Then hire him a competent GM so he only has to coach.

Agree. I would be shocked if Campbell said yes after the leak of the tape and the apparent disfunction within the university's ADs office and administration.

 

[fastlax16]

As I said previously the best way to respond to Franklin’s trolling is to hire a good coach and win Big and possibly National Championships and then you troll Franklin all you want.

The two aren’t mutually exclusive.