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You are not alone. Fortunately your numbers are reduced with each passing day.
Likely because the structure in place delineates realms of authority that limits interference. If there were multiple persons involved in the decision who do you hold accountable? As Kraft himself said in the leaked players meeting, he is hiring for his job. If he "f**cks" up the hire his career as an AD is over because every subsequent interview will include "how the f=ck did you f*ck up the Penn State job?" If you heard him speak at this meeting his use of expletives was truly cringe-worthy. In any event, his point was very clear. Its his decision and if he blunders it he will be out of a job and his career is over. But if the President or BOT limit his authority he has a way out. If I were the President or the BOT I am letting him set himself on fire at this point and when its over restructure the realms of authority to prevent one person from making this decision in isolation. Hell, when we were looking to hire new faculty in years past you had a search committee, then a short list,, then interviews, then a vote on who to offer. In any case. this is like beating a dead horse. Hope he gets Campbell.
You be making too much sense.
Ever see a movie called Spaceballs?
It was not very funny.
Even with more $ and all the confidence they have in their ability too, any UC candidate is going to ponder the firing of Franklin and how long of a leash they will be given.
Please note I’m not saying Franklin didn’t need to go, but HC candidates are going to view things differently than us.
Please note I’m not saying Franklin didn’t need to go, but HC candidates are going to view things differently than us.
I’ve been reading this thread since it was first posted. I am a proud Penn Stater. I got to witness the 86 team and I loved Lady Lion Basketball too. I’m done with all this fighting between eras. And it is fighting…it’s not banter or debates. I truly believe JoePa would want to be remembered by the legacy he left with football and in his academic gifts to the University. Statues, plaques they break and fade…but the legacy of a strong academic institution with a great sports program THESE were JoePa’s goals. AND, we need to let whoever comes in here carry that on… a winner who loves the team and the university. I don’t mean to sound too Jerry Maguireish…but that’s just my 2 cents.
I did. Damn, I'm sexy. And correct.
So your claim is that JayPa and Lubrano don't exist? Help me help you embarrass yourself here.
No excuses for Kraft ... guy has to get the job done, regardless of what snakes are in the grass. I didn't like his handling of the Franklin situation, and I don't like what's gone down with the basketball squad, so it's not like he's on my fave-guys-I-need-to-defend list, but that doesn't mean I can't also acknowledge the obvious - that there are still those JoeBot snakes in the grass, who will act as capriciously and vindictively as possible, no matter who or what else is involved, if the subject matter ISN'T "how are we going to revere JoePa, and what reparations can we provide you for not doing so to your satisfaction in the past?"
Yep, people of all walks of life pass away. Thanks for the enlightenment.
You're all geriatric. The normal folks are still physically functional. There wouldn't even be a line, the non-Joe-Bots would be so heavily favored.
“What coach would want to walk into a situation where you know the undermining of whats taking place is from one of the most powerful names of the school”. Lavar said.
Meaning unless the coach is someone who will work to clear Joes name, there are forces that will work against you and make it difficult to succeed.
I don't think you need power/leverage to sabotage situations. I mean, the release of the video of Kraft today is very obviously tied to undermine him and nuke any negotiations with Campbell. Perhaps there were other similar things going on that affected the signing of other candidates (e.g. maybe someone leaked the negotiations with Sitake to encourage a BYU/Mormon response to prevent that signing).
It does feel to me like there are some people just trying to make everything so uncomfortable that the school would be forced to take their "last resort" and keep Terry as HC.
There are probably 500 coaches/coordinators to choose from.
What Kraft is doing is not real clear.
One thing to remember and this is not defending Kraft but he has not been the only one involved in this botched search. Others like the BOT and big money boosters who he has consulted with, the school president all are playing a part in embarrassing this great university. Kraft's job has to be hanging by a thread.
Next steps. Land one of these coaches being thrown out ASAP. Pay them enough to leave their current gig. This canNOT and shoukd NOT be this difficult. My God you would think we are Bucknell.
I think we need a GM also. Let the new coach take the lead on that. Kraft is proving he is not that competent.
Next, don't fire Kraft yet but he needs to be put on a performance improvement plan or whatever it is. This is ridiculous. Send him to a negotiating 101 class for crying out loud...Lol.
But then the flip side is there are some at the school who will undermine you if you so much as breath Joe Paterno's name. So, essentially it sounds like there will be people who provide resistance no matter where you fall on that "issue". It makes sense that Franklin pretty much avoided the topic altogether.
No wonder this is all a giant mess.
Edit: If Campbell falls through I think our best bet might be to try to find someone who has a previous (hopefully positive) association with the school that would be less influenced by any background PR campaign. So maybe Diaz? Or someone like Lynn?
I'm OK with Diaz if Campbell doesn't work out. He did well while he was here. Knows the landscape.
PK owns this 100%
At least up until this point. Would not be surprising that if the coach search situation remains unresolved over the next few days, he may be taken from the controls.
When/how/by whom - or if - the plethora of other issues get addressed? Time will tell.
Fair enough, but even if the scandal never happened and Joe’s tenure was seen by all in the glowing light it deserves, we still do ourselves no good more than a decade later living in the past.
What ad is running at the bottom of this site for me right now? You got it, Campbell’s Soup!!!!
Bottom line I think we need to make a hire. I don’t think Terry is up for the job, but he is almost the last man standing. I think the paterno thing is a red herring. Did jay sabotage Sitake? Did he not force a decision before signing day. Did they force Kraft to not get a decision from him before signing day. Bottom line is the BOT admin want someone to blame because Pat Kraft is incompetent, and they wanted the Franklin out( which I agree he needed to go) this feels like deflection by incompetents who are looking for someone else to blame. Whether Jay is promoting TS or not, he did not create the situation where we have no coach on 12/5. This is damage control and justification. And the Audio verifies Pat Kraft told the team that TS was doing a great job and was a candidate sometime before Thanksgiving, when he was supposedly all in on Sitake. Lavar could have more info, but could be upset as the rest of us and being fed a narrative for the radio.
Poster on another site that usually has pretty accurate info.
The board meeting has been called, the question is whether it is to approve a the contract for HMC OR to fire Kraft.
Could you imagine if you were a potential coach and being asked about Joe and Jerry in the interview? I would immediately end the interview.
Not disagreeing. But burying and denying gives these things more legs. Oh by the way, pisses people off unnecessarily
Maybe to discuss that Campbell will only come if the statue goes back up! ( I kid, I kid!) but that would be entertaining
Iowa St boards saying Campbell has been in a meeting with the ISU AD/President for two hours. I don't know what to think of that.
Also reading from the PSU side that Campbell was "very non committal" with Neeli and Kraft last night.
Might be the pessimist in me but that sounds bad. Campbell taking the offer from PSU and seeing what sort of resources he could get out of his current administration.
I have a lot of respect for Campbell. That guy is a championship level coach, IMO - and he's happy with the low expectations and just playing ball. I've read some of the names he's turned down in the past, crazy, Washington, USC, Wisconsin, Detroit Lions, Chicago Bears.
Also reading from the PSU side that Campbell was "very non committal" with Neeli and Kraft last night.
Might be the pessimist in me but that sounds bad. Campbell taking the offer from PSU and seeing what sort of resources he could get out of his current administration.
I have a lot of respect for Campbell. That guy is a championship level coach, IMO - and he's happy with the low expectations and just playing ball. I've read some of the names he's turned down in the past, crazy, Washington, USC, Wisconsin, Detroit Lions, Chicago Bears.
Right. a BoT meeting under most circumstances like this would be a huge positive because it would mean the (rubber stamp) approval of a new contract. Certainly possible.
But it does feel like a meeting to fire Kraft seems equally plausible so I refuse to get optimistic.
At this point, either one works for me.
Lol this is INSANE.
BOT meeting called for tomorrow but it's either because we got our guy or we're firing the AD. And it could be 50/50. Wow.
BOT meeting called for tomorrow but it's either because we got our guy or we're firing the AD. And it could be 50/50. Wow.
Maybe both!
I’m hoping for both!
Apologies, I could have chosen my verbiage more carefully. We don’t need to “bury” the past…we need to not dwell on it with every big decision we make and leave it there.
Do you need approval from the BOT to fire an AD. Not my area of expertise.
It’s impossible to feel good on this site! There’s always a possible negative downside to everything!