If the rules were the same, we would definitely be in a worse position. Even with the sanctions, we got recruits every year. However, the rules are different. The transfer portal and $ (which is being saved on this recruiting class) make it easier to recover and rebuild. However, it is still going to be difficult. IMO, using the transfer portal to build a team is not ideal.
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At this point we're beyond "hopes" with Sitake. Kraft needs an MOU with him, or we move on to someone else. There should be no more waiting until next week without a definitive answer as then we risk the people we start making offers to next week also saying no. Those backup offers and discussions have to start taking place this week.
I think he could have sat on Franklin till the end of the season and then canned him. The whole VT thing wouldn't have happened that fast.
Or you talk to people who might be interested before canning him.
That's why it was essential to hire somebody like Chesney who almost certainly would've brought a lot of his current players and recruits with him, even if many of them would be borderline Big 10 players. This program now is going to be like an expansion team for the next several seasons, and that's under the best case scenario.
Sitake is absolutely not a good enough candidate to be betting all our marbles on as being the "right guy". I'm fine if they signed him... yesterday. But there's plenty of questions surrounding how well he would work at PSU that you don't go waiting another week for him and potentially not even get him.
And honestly if he is really considering the PSU job then he's a moron for not signing now. He would only be making his own coaching situation at PSU worse if he waits until next week to sign. If he is willing to postpone signing, it's almost certain that he's staying with BYU.
At least it will get Kraft fired. He butchered this one. You are at the point where you just sign someone- take the Hartline route and move on. If it bombs, you ante up and move on and do it all over again like everyone else.
And if he does that, he will be the hottest commodity in the Country again.
It’s very possible that Sitake has already signed an MOU, which would explain why several people have said it’s a “done deal” and the new staff was even being assembled. It’s also possible that the language wasn’t legally binding hence the last ditch effort to keep him at BYU.
I don't think there are that many home run hires anymore. You take a shot at an up and comer and see if it sticks. Like Chesney or Hartline. If it doesn't, ante up and move on to the next stab in the dark. Most of these "big hires" now were all just stab in the darks a few years ago. Elko? Cignetti? Please....... back then they wouldn't even be in the conversation.
Well the PS is back in the race for him as they have made a counter offer. The clock is still ticking at this point.
Wrong, you name Terry Smith immediately - he's in a way better position to go to work immediately triaging the situation. You don't waste $$$ on a guy who's ZERO HCing experience at any level, let alone D1A or P4 and whose relevant experience is 1 season as a "Co-OC".... and won't be functional in the position for weeks if not months. Hartline would be an absurd hire especially considering the current situation.
But then explain the absurd $700M renovation? The BOT planning on hosting Shakespeare in the park?I was thinking that this smells like deemphasizing football.
I don’t think Hartline is a bottom-of-the-barrel option. As somebody said earlier, he has been a thorn in our side for years. He sees how one of the top 3 programs operates. He sees how top players are successfully recruited. I think he’d be a solid choice.
Who are the best recruiters/coordinators?
They know who they are and that should be the focus, not the HC.
Bringing in the BYU HC/staff is a waste of $.
They know who they are and that should be the focus, not the HC.
Bringing in the BYU HC/staff is a waste of $.
Chesney is gone and I don't see Hartline as wanting to leave yet and I think he's not ready. I get Sitake and maybe Diaz maybe wanting to focus on their games this weekend. Brohm is the only one that is not in a conference championship or playoff run. His decision should be pretty clear by now. Who is left after that, Daboll? He seems meh and he has little to no recruiting experience
Terry Smith is an absurd hire if you fire Franklin mid season. This class is already gone so it doesn't matter. Take a bigger swing.
Agreed. That is why it would be idiotic to not have signed someone by the beginning of this week. Every other schools realizes how critical it is to have someone signed and announced already.
If the scuttlebutt was that we are negotiating with Freeman and that is why we are stuck in limbo, I could understand taking that risk to get a "big fish". but it makes zero sense for the likes of Sitake. If he isn't onboard such that you can announce it right now, move on to the next candidate.
Should have already offered it to Chesney. Passing on him was probably bad, but we'll never know it since he went to a football wasteland.
Hiring Shitake would fit right in with the agenda of the BoT.
Yeah, the way this is playing out, I don't see how Chesney wasn't an immensely better option than what is going on. honestly, were I Kraft, I would go back to Chesney right now and see if he can still be signed and break the deal with UCLA.
Two problems with that mindset given the current situation-
hiring the right guy and immediately burying him in a hole is not a good thing.
the right guy will likely recognize the hole you’ve already dug and not allow you the opportunity to bury him in it.
I was a little concerned that Clark Lea was riding the Diego coattails and may be a little risky. Maybe second thoughts?
It doesn't snow much in Corvallis where Sitake coached for one year. Maybe once every few years.Bro you don’t think it snows in Utah and Oregon?
sexton representing half of college football makes the back door conversation route somewhat impossible when he also represents the coach you plan on canning.
We won't know for a few years, regardless of who is hired. It could have been Meyer, Deboer, Rhule, Hartline, Sitaki, etc., the answer is the same. You can't determine if the coach was a good hire from tweets and PR, we don't know until he completes a few seasons and we can see the results.
that last point is a really good one- the longer this went on, the less attractive this job became
The Penn State job is no longer attractive at all, except if you are a successful HC trying to extract more money out of your current university employer. Then feigning interest in PSU helps you out in a financial way for staying in your current job.
Boy oh boy! There was a lot of complaining about CJF. Now he is gone and is Penn State in a better position? No. Its number one candidate to fill the position has about the same winning percentage as CJF and is not a guaranteed hire. An above average recruiting class has disappeared. As the saying goes, “the grass isn’t always greener on the other side of the fence.” How long do you think it will take for Penn State to recover from its knee jerk reaction to the “Fire Franklin” chants?
I went to Penn State during Rip’s last year (5-5) followed by Joe’s first (5-5) and never felt that the program was in as poor shape as it is now. I have been a season ticket holder for over 50 years. I am debating what to do next year.
I was not an advocate of hiring Coach Smith as head coach but it looks like that is smoothest way out of the quagmire that has developed.
I went to Penn State during Rip’s last year (5-5) followed by Joe’s first (5-5) and never felt that the program was in as poor shape as it is now. I have been a season ticket holder for over 50 years. I am debating what to do next year.
I was not an advocate of hiring Coach Smith as head coach but it looks like that is smoothest way out of the quagmire that has developed.
2-3 years. If you can find a guy who doesn't make a bunch of dumb decisions in games and isn't afraid to get rid of the country club culture, improvement shall be quick and imminent.
Everybody: Man Kraft has been too quiet we need something leaked
First day something gets leaked everybody wants him signed within 2 hours or Kraft is a failure holy **** you people are nuts and some of you are so entitled you think Penn State deserves Kirby Smart or you’re not satisfied. There were no home run hires this cycle besides maybe Kiffin who has never won anything significant.
Some of these people that thought Franklin was great yeah that’s why LSU, Auburn, and Florida wanted nothing to do with him and he had to settle for Virginia Tech. Also not worried about Penn State losing these kids this was shaping up to be one of the worst classes in awhile for us. It was probably going to finish in between 20-25th ranked wise
First day something gets leaked everybody wants him signed within 2 hours or Kraft is a failure
holy **** you people are nuts and some of you are so entitled you think Penn State deserves Kirby Smart or you’re not satisfied. There were no home run hires this cycle besides maybe Kiffin who has never won anything significant.Some of these people that thought Franklin was great
yeah that’s why LSU, Auburn, and Florida wanted nothing to do with him and he had to settle for Virginia Tech. Also not worried about Penn State losing these kids this was shaping up to be one of the worst classes in awhile for us. It was probably going to finish in between 20-25th ranked wise
Jimmy Sexton is the Bob Sugar of the college football world
That is why you need to have someone signed/announced for the "normal" timeframe - should have completely done and settled by this past Sunday
I think Franklin would have had a legit shot at Auburn or UCLA but I also think he wants an easier conference like the ACC. So when VT came up that seems like the optimal spot for him. Plus he has connections all over DMV that he can leverage day 1Everybody: Man Kraft has been too quiet we need something leaked
First day something gets leaked everybody wants him signed within 2 hours or Kraft is a failure
Some of these people that thought Franklin was great