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[leinbacker]

Hire Matt Campbell now.

Here is a problem, you are Matt Campbell, fat, dumb and happy at ISU. If you have not been in the process of the PSU coaching search and now, Kraft calls you, it reeks of desperation and not a hire that was made through a courtship.

Campbell seems content at ISU, no doubt his name has been in searches for other programs but it just didn't happen. What do you do if Kraft calls? I guess you hear him out. You will know the program is taking on water and will take time to recover but then you certainly will have a ton of leverage over Kraft.

I think this is the problem now. Kraft now has to go to candidates that he hasn't contacted before and those candidates know the desporations are real.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

As someone who believes Tomlin should have been at least 8 years ago I do think he'd dominate recruiting at the college level...kids and parents would love him
Don't want us to hire him but Ben isn't wrong in his assessment.

I think you're right.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

Dan Mullen himself has stated that he does not like recruiting. Would not hire him at PSU. Here is one of a variety of direct quotes from Dan during his time at Florida: “I hate recruiting. I absolutely hate it. … I love coaching football. I love being on the field, I love being in the meeting rooms, I love practice, I love the games. Recruiting is the worst part of the job, by far.”
This is why he cannot hold a power football job like Florida. As you know, our next coach is going to have to love recruiting and love going into the portal . Dan would be a very hard pass for me.

Good point.

by the way I was talking to a friend last night who has a connection of at Penn State. He believed they wanted Cheney and supposedly he was told that Sexton said oh hell no.

He's the guy I really wanted because he grew up around where I grew up. I still have friends that were taught by his father.

 

[LMTLION]

Reading elsewhere from the mythical insiders that we should not expect a hire this week. Guys like Campbell are coming in for interviews now and the field has widened to include some nfl guys too. It’s still being alleged that Krafty is interested in holding out past the conference championship games this weekend (probably so he can look like an idiot again striking out.) In fact, Klatt even said as much himself yesterday on Cowterd’s show that we seem to be still targeting a sitting coach that’s involved in his season. But again, it seems like we will get no big announcement this week. Hopefully this moron learned his lessons that a handshake is not a contract or a deal. A book could be written about this search. An entire chapter would be devoted to getting a beatdown from the Mormon church and a cookie guy.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

Reading elsewhere from the mythical insiders that we should not expect a hire this week. Guys like Campbell are coming in for interviews now and the field has widened to include some nfl guys too. It’s still being alleged that Krafty is interested in holding out past the conference championship games this weekend (probably so he can look like an idiot again striking out.) In fact, Klatt even said as much himself yesterday on Cowterd’s show that we seem to be still targeting a sitting coach that’s involved in his season. But again, it seems like we will get no big announcement this week. Hopefully this moron learned his lessons that a handshake is not a contract or a deal. A book could be written about this search. An entire chapter would be devoted to getting a beatdown from the Mormon church and a cookie guy.

i'm gonna go out on a limb and say most insiders know nothing. I don't think there's any way we could know the inner workings of all this . And I'm thinking Franklin's agent is playing a bigger part in sabotaging us than some initially thought.

 

[BobPSU92]

Stupid question: If sexton is sabotaging Penn State’s coaching search, is it legal?

 

[searay26]

So a coach is going to take less money than he could have made because his agent doesn't like a certain team? How does that work? Why is that person my agent?

 

[Connorpozlee]

Campbell would be a home run hire IMO. But I don't think they can get him. He took less money to stay where he is so his assistants could get more pay. His players took less NIL money to stay to play for him. He should have been near the top of any short list from the beginning. And maybe he was asked, and just said no.

He’d be in a hell of a driver’s seat with Penn State at this point to get even more money for himself, his assistants, and his players. Unless he just loves Ames, Iowa so much he might be gettable at this point.

 

[KingoftheBigTen]

I think you're right.

Tomlin is the perfect replacement for Franklin in they share in the inability to identify and develop Quarterbacks despite having every resource imaginable.

 

[Lion84]

So a coach is going to take less money than he could have made because his agent doesn't like a certain team? How does that work? Why is that person my agent?

Agree - makes no sense. I guess Ole Miss should ban Sexton clients since he screwed them and he is a Lane agent. I would the agent has some level of fiduciary responsibility but I guess he could always steer them away. Seems like two idiots battling each other if true.

 

[84lion]

Stupid question: If sexton is sabotaging Penn State’s coaching search, is it legal?

What was that line from the Traveling Wilburys: "In Jersey everything's legal, as long as you don't get caught."

Pennsylvania's just west of Jersey - close enough

 

[Itraindogs]

Campbell is a very good coach. He would do very well at PSU. And he is used to working with very little, perfect for a job where the next head coach is going to work with a depleted roster over the next year or two.

I agree. From the outset several industry sources thought he would be a great fit at PSU and would excel with PSU resources. I think they are right. I have my doubts that he leaves Iowa State but if he does he will be a stabilizing force and is an excellent ball coach

 

[searay26]

He’d be in a hell of a driver’s seat with Penn State at this point to get even more money for himself, his assistants, and his players. Unless he just loves Ames, Iowa so much he might be gettable at this point.

I think that might be the case. Penn State could double his salary, his assistant's salaries, and pay his players more NIL.

 

[LMTLION]

i'm gonna go out on a limb and say most insiders know nothing. I don't think there's any way we could know the inner workings of all this . And I'm thinking Franklin's agent is playing a bigger part in sabotaging us than some initially thought.

Some do know. And a number of them are removed from the source by multiple levels of people. They knew Sitake last week, so there is some validity to some of them.

 

[SRURock24]

Dan Mullen himself has stated that he does not like recruiting. Would not hire him at PSU. Here is one of a variety of direct quotes from Dan during his time at Florida: “I hate recruiting. I absolutely hate it. … I love coaching football. I love being on the field, I love being in the meeting rooms, I love practice, I love the games. Recruiting is the worst part of the job, by far.”
This is why he cannot hold a power football job like Florida. As you know, our next coach is going to have to love recruiting and love going into the portal . Dan would be a very hard pass for me.

I get it but also believe he has learned his lesson after getting canned by Florida. The guy can flat out coach as evidenced by his run at MS State which has been nearly an impossible place to win on a consistent basis. Additionally in the NIL portal era with a GM a lot of the above could be mitigated.

 

[WPB_lion]

So a coach is going to take less money than he could have made because his agent doesn't like a certain team? How does that work? Why is that person my agent?

I am sure it is not that black and white. If the deals are close in value and PSU's deal is a little better financially, but your agent tells you that working with Kraft is going to be a nightmare, that would be a persuasive argument to take the other deal. Whatever Sexton thinks Kraft did wrong, I am sure he is telling the coaches he represents (as his job requires) and the coaches trust what he is saying is true.

 

[searay26]

Hard to believe PSU couldn't offer significantly more money than UCLA. More likely that they didn't want to.

 

[Itraindogs]

Dan Mullen himself has stated that he does not like recruiting. Would not hire him at PSU. Here is one of a variety of direct quotes from Dan during his time at Florida: “I hate recruiting. I absolutely hate it. … I love coaching football. I love being on the field, I love being in the meeting rooms, I love practice, I love the games. Recruiting is the worst part of the job, by far.”
This is why he cannot hold a power football job like Florida. As you know, our next coach is going to have to love recruiting and love going into the portal . Dan would be a very hard pass for me.

This is not necessarily a football problem, rather an administrative problem. If you have an excellent ball coach who hates recruiting (I suspect there are many in this boat) the AD hires top end recruiters to supplement the staff and let the coach be the closer.

 

[pendal1]

May need to just go with Terry. Keep as much of the staff as you can. Although that may be difficult no long term security.

If the search is as bad as being reported then he should absolutely hire Terry. That said unless he has someone who's hiding in the shadows for some reason

Hard to believe PSU couldn't offer significantly more money than UCLA. More likely that they didn't want to.

It's hard to believe Pat didn't have a better plan. If you're going to fire small game James then you have to be prepared with an available coach. Just as with playing availability is the most important thing. We can want a coach all day long but if he's not available and willing who cares.
Pat has done a horrendous job with this search and has made us a laughingstock. And maybe it was best to fire small game James at the end of the year. We should have let him shrivel up the rest of the year and then fired him I guess.

 

[HarrisburgDave]

Things can always be worse. We could be Virginia Tech. Those poor bastards don’t know what they are in for.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

Campbell, Daboll? For f*ck’s sake.

No doubt, Campbell should be very familiar with what will be required here after turning ISU into a perennially solid winner. His track record reflects that he is an exceptional judge of unrecognized talent and could be just what the Doctor ordered for PSU (these people who think were just going to hire a splash coach and elite recruits from hs and the x-fer portal are just going to come flocking are out of their naive twit minds. Somebody like a Campbell is going to have to build a winner (starting immediately in 2026) from the scraps leftover.... but there are so many players available that there is talent there if you're willing to do the groundwork (scouting) to unearth it.... Campbell has a tracmrecord of finding unrecognized talent.

 

[KingoftheBigTen]

If the search is as bad as being reported then he should absolutely hire Terry. That said unless he has someone who's hiding in the shadows for some reason

It's hard to believe Pat didn't have a better plan. If you're going to fire small game James then you have to be prepared with an available coach. Just as with playing availability is the most important thing. We can want a coach all day long but if he's not available and willing who cares.
Pat has done a horrendous job with this search and has made us a laughingstock. And maybe it was best to fire small game James at the end of the year. We should have let him shrivel up the rest of the year and then fired him I guess.

Penn State and we as Penn State fans to some degree refused to manage our realistic expectations. A program which hasn’t won a National Championship in 40 years now became National Championship is the expectation. Now what you’ve seen transpire over the last 53 days is the market recalibrating those expectations for us whether we like it or not. The next Head Coach will be the what 12 or 13th option, we’ll have to portal in a ton of guys this year. All signs lead to stopping the hemorrhaging not winning a national championship. LSU didn’t lose a single recruit and got their number one choice of coach now compare that Penn State. How we as fans viewed our program nationally and how the rest of the country to include recruits and coaches are obviously vastly different.

 

[OUIrPSU]

It’s a debacle. I have absolutely no faith in Kraft at this point. Not to mention there aren’t many quality candidates left. I wanted to believe he had someone lined up and was waiting for the CCG’s to be done, but that was blown out of the water by his interaction with the BYU coach….you don’t talk to another coach if you have your guy. I believe Kraft thinks he has a big swinging d**k, but he’s found out it’s not very big.

I still don’t understand how so many people believe the BYU guy was definitely our guy without any evidence other than some know it alls in the media "reporting" he was. We’re all being manipulated by individuals who not only make money from it, but are also very good at it.

 

[OUIrPSU]

See--this is the media making up stuff and people believing it

It’s worded incorrectly, but it’s literally the only thing that we actually know for certain - other coaches have successfully leveraged the Penn State coaching search to benefit themselves.

 

[OUIrPSU]

Interestingly Campbell refuses to interview before the end of the season. He makes $5m there with a $2m buyout. Krafty may have lucked his way into a very good hire. But we shall see.

Is this something he’s said publicly?

 

[Bvillebaron]

Are you saying Franklin shouldn’t have been fired or is just the timing with which you disagree?

No offense but are you new to this board? I have said repeatedly that I had no problem with his firing or the timing. However, when you fire a coach on October 12th and have more than 7 weeks to hire a replacement before yesterday’s signing date, you are not doing your job. There is still a chance Kraft could pull a rabbit out of his hat and make a good hire but I view that as unlikely.

 

[KingoftheBigTen]

Is this something he’s said publicly?

Josh Pate reported that when ISU won 11 games last year. There was a lot of interest in him during that run and he refused to be interviewed until after the season.

 

[Dbsteel]

Good point.

by the way I was talking to a friend last night who has a connection of at Penn State. He believed they wanted Cheney and supposedly he was told that Sexton said oh hell no.

He's the guy I really wanted because he grew up around where I grew up. I still have friends that were taught by his father.

Fire Kraft and hire him.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

Here is a problem, you are Matt Campbell, fat, dumb and happy at ISU. If you have not been in the process of the PSU coaching search and now, Kraft calls you, it reeks of desperation and not a hire that was made through a courtship.

Campbell seems content at ISU, no doubt his name has been in searches for other programs but it just didn't happen. What do you do if Kraft calls? I guess you hear him out. You will know the program is taking on water and will take time to recover but then you certainly will have a ton of leverage over Kraft.

I think this is the problem now. Kraft now has to go to candidates that he hasn't contacted before and those candidates know the desporations are real.

Oh give me a break, Campbell is not going to be that disinterested when his compensation is being doubled! Give me an f'ing break.

 

[Binder74]

I agree. From the outset several industry sources thought he would be a great fit at PSU and would excel with PSU resources. I think they are right. I have my doubts that he leaves Iowa State but if he does he will be a stabilizing force and is an excellent ball coach

And maybe bring some of his players

 

[Bvillebaron]

Good point.

by the way I was talking to a friend last night who has a connection of at Penn State. He believed they wanted Cheney and supposedly he was told that Sexton said oh hell no.

He's the guy I really wanted because he grew up around where I grew up. I still have friends that were taught by his father.

Please stop with the excusing Kraft by blaming Sexton nonsense. I never knew an agent who gets a percentage of his client’s contract to tell his client (who last I checked still has the final say as to where he goes) who told his client to take less money or an inferior job because he was pissed at how the firing of another of his clients was handled.

 

[HarrisburgDave]

No doubt, Campbell should be very familiar with what will be required here after turning ISU into a perennially solid winner. His track record reflects that he is an exceptional judge of unrecognized talent and could be just what the Doctor ordered for PSU (these people who think were just going to hire a splash coach and elite recruits from hs and the x-fer portal are just going to come flocking are out of their naive twit minds. Somebody like a Campbell is going to have to build a winner (starting immediately in 2026) from the scraps leftover.... but there are so many players available that there is talent there if you're willing to do the groundwork (scouting) to unearth it.... Campbell has a tracmrecord of finding unrecognized talent.

Interesting take.

It does make sense that a man who has had to survive on smaller budgets and his own talent to succeed would make a good minor league football coach. Coaching at Iowa State and producing winners can’t be easy.

 

[Bvillebaron]

i'm gonna go out on a limb and say most insiders know nothing. I don't think there's any way we could know the inner workings of all this . And I'm thinking Franklin's agent is playing a bigger part in sabotaging us than some initially thought.

Please stop. See my other post.

 

[doctornick]

Penn State and we as Penn State fans to some degree refused to manage our realistic expectations. A program which hasn’t won a National Championship in 40 years now became National Championship is the expectation. Now what you’ve seen transpire over the last 53 days is the market recalibrating those expectations for us whether we like it or not.

I think there are a few with inflated expectations, but most people simply expected that we'd sign a normal coach in the normal timeframe. If we signed (say) Chesney but announced on Sunday or Monday, some people might grumble but that would have been a reasonable outcome.

Most sensible fans weren't expected a hire like Meyer or Freeman.

 

[OUIrPSU]

i'm gonna go out on a limb and say most insiders know nothing. I don't think there's any way we could know the inner workings of all this . And I'm thinking Franklin's agent is playing a bigger part in sabotaging us than some initially thought.

I agree with everything except the part about Franklin’s agent. Any agent who lets his or her personal feelings get in the way of a potential lucrative negotiation will not last long, let alone be as successful as he’s been. It’s all spin by outlets trying to make money.

 

[OUIrPSU]

Stupid question: If sexton is sabotaging Penn State’s coaching search, is it legal?

Legal? Probably. Moral? No. But it doesn’t matter because he’s not.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

So a coach is going to take less money than he could have made because his agent doesn't like a certain team? How does that work? Why is that person my agent?

Not to mention that it's illegal for an agent to turn down an offer for his client (a massive breach of Fiduciary Obligation especially if the offer being scuttled by the agent is more financially valuable than the one being rubber-stamped by the agent). Huge illegal breach of Fiduciary Obligations and professional ethics

 

[Bvillebaron]

I am sure it is not that black and white. If the deals are close in value and PSU's deal is a little better financially, but your agent tells you that working with Kraft is going to be a nightmare, that would be a persuasive argument to take the other deal. Whatever Sexton thinks Kraft did wrong, I am sure he is telling the coaches he represents (as his job requires) and the coaches trust what he is saying is true.

Unbelievable. Geez.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

I still don’t understand how so many people believe the BYU guy was definitely our guy without any evidence other than some know it alls in the media "reporting" he was. We’re all being manipulated by individuals who not only make money from it, but are also very good at it.

Yeah, Sitake never passed the smell test for me either. The ultimate question will be whether he was a smokescreen or a Hail Mary.

 

[doctornick]

I still don’t understand how so many people believe the BYU guy was definitely our guy without any evidence other than some know it alls in the media "reporting" he was. We’re all being manipulated by individuals who not only make money from it, but are also very good at it.

I have no idea what happened behind the scenes, but any normal AD would have had a coach signed/delivered/announced on Sunday - or Monday at the absolute latest. If it were Sitake, the contract should have already have been signed before this week started. So I don't know what Kraft has been doing but whether it was "meant" to be Sitake or he just idiotically didn't finalize with someone before this week, but he failed in his job big time.

At this point, I think the Sitake stories are true simple because having a "handshake" agreement with him that he backed out of is about the most plausible thing that makes Kraft seem like only a moderate sized moron who was too trusting as opposed to an absolute idiot who has no idea what he is doing.